Author Topic: Should GCN embrace the dark, violent games? Like Xbox and PS2? (Read 17505 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:01:27 PM »

The GBA already got GTA 1 and 2.

NarmaK · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2003, 09:49:50 PM »

I thought that was GBC.

dus · « **Reply #27 on:** December 20, 2003, 04:20:35 AM »

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"I'll never buy an other console..."

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Listen, I hapen to own a Gamecube, an Xbox, and a PS2 (and a Dreamcast, as if it matters). I am not afraid to admit that the GCN isn't my favorite system, per se.
I used to be a MAJOR hater of Xbox. Then, one day, I was at a friend's house, and he was having a LAN party (Local Area Connection!!). I started to pick up a controller and he told me this game was "Halo" (whatever that was!). So, I hate Xbox don't I? I 'm that kid who sits in the video game stores and tries to convince people against buying anything Xbox. Well, after that party, within seven hours I had my very own Xbox, extra controller, and, of course, Halo.

Bizarro...

I still love my GCN, but don't judge the other systems based on their games- that's why people aren't buying GCN.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2003, 04:49:26 AM »

Narmak: Doesn't make much of a difference.

"but don't judge the other systems based on their games"
Do judge a console by its games, as they are what you'll end up playing.
If people judged the Cube by the quality of its games, they wouldn't have an aversion against it. People are judging it by its appearance and that of its games. That's the problem.
Never judge a system after only playing it multiplayer unless you will do so most of the time. LAN is infinitely more fun than Singleplayer (or online, IMO) but a rare experience. The effort associated with LANs make them a rare event and if you don't happen to have 10+ friends you'll end up with quite a small number of players (because usually half of them can't come). Believe me, I do that on a regular basis (on PC, though).

Guitar Smasher · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2003, 05:19:28 AM »

Well said KDR. I think that's good advice for any gamer.

dus · « **Reply #30 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:09:02 AM »

wow... that's really deep! You're right. They are judging GCN by appearences. cool!

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #31 on:** December 20, 2003, 07:30:48 AM »

It has nothing to do with "embracing" violent video games. Nintendo has its share of violent games, it's just that a lot of the companies with the "mature" games steer away from supporting Nintendo. Also, I'd rather play a genius, well made, and original "kiddy" game than a mature game which has a million other games like it out there.

dus · « **Reply #32 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:21:01 AM »

Now that is ignorant! If you are saying you won't play "mature" games, you are doing excatly what I am fighting against! You and many others should be more open to ALL kinds of genres- kiddy or not.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:25:43 AM »

He didn't say he wouldn't play "mature" games, he said he would rather play an extremely good "kiddy" game than carbon copy "mature" game you see people drowning in on other consoles. His point was that he doesn't want to play a game based soley on it's image.

dus · « **Reply #34 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:35:19 AM »

I know what he meant- I'm no idiot. But somehow I feel some of you are biased against Mature games. And when I say mature I mean mature: games like Perfect Dark, Halo, and Max Payne 2. Listen, I own many "kiddy" games, and I love them. And what do you mean, "carbon copied"? Oh, and like Mario Sunshine isn't Mario 64 with an ocean town. And like Animal Crossing isn't just a stripped-down simplified version of the Sims! And as if EVERY OTHER platformer isn't identical to the next!! How dare you even suggest that games like Halo aren't genius! I personally think that Halo, among some other Mature games, is the most brilliant game of all time! So, keep your Generic Nintendo title, I'll take my revoloutionary games! I love Nintendo, but they are the ones who should branch out.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #35 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:43:10 AM »

We're not biased against mature games- the reason we generally don't like them is because what most people call "mature" games are little more than blood and guts, designed soley to get sales and nothing else. Yes, there are very good mature games out there, but they're very rare, and the fact that we don't embrace every single one of them doesn't mean we're biased. In my opinion, Eternal Darkness is quite possibly the best game this generation, indeed one of the best games I've ever played, and my reason for believing that is because the game has actual substance and quality rather than unnecessary gore. It's a game that strive for success based on quality, not image.

And who are you to be saying Nintendo isn't producing original games, and then in the same paragraph claim Halo is genious? While Halo may be a very good FPS, that's just what it is- a FPS, no different than the hundreds of others available on the PC. What new features does it offer to the genre? Indeed, what FPS since Half-Life has done anything to change the genre?

dus · « **Reply #36 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:55:09 AM »

Well excuse me, I guess Mario Sunshine is very original, and every other platform isn't like it. Excuse my foolishness, mouse_clicker. I guess the LOZ franchise is very original- oh wait, there was a talking tree, right? Oh, yes, there was! It must be revoloutionary!

Yeah, there are tons of FPSs, and Halo didn't revoloutionize that genre. It evoloutionized it! That is excatly what Miyamoto does- evoloution, not revoloution.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #37 on:** December 20, 2003, 10:10:11 AM »

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Yeah, there are tons of FPSs, and Halo didn't revoloutionize that genre. It evoloutionized it! That is excatly what Miyamoto does- evoloution, not revoloution.

So why downplay Nintendo and then say Halo is a work of genious?

dus · « **Reply #38 on:** December 20, 2003, 10:53:14 AM »

mouse_clicker, that is what I just said! Miyamoto (Nintendo) does that!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #39 on:** December 20, 2003, 04:23:27 PM »

My point is you contradicted yourslef- you downplayed Nintendo for not releasing original games, and then held Halo up above everything else, despite there not being an original polygon in the entire game.

dee kay · « **Reply #40 on:** December 20, 2003, 04:38:04 PM »

so true

dus · « **Reply #41 on:** December 20, 2003, 06:08:38 PM »

EXCUSE ME?!?!? Have you even played Halo? It may not be the most original game of all time, but i feel it perfected the genre, alot like some of Nintendo games. Oh, and by the way, "Bill" misquoted me- I never said all of Nintendo's games were kiddy! I love those games!

I didn't contradict myself: my original point was "Should GCN embrace violent and dark games". Well, should it? I think yes, but only to a certain standard (no more BMX XXXes or GTAs, right?). However, I feel like I have seen the light, if you will- Nintendo has some strong-willed fanboys, and it kinda reminds me of me two years ago. I really repect that, actually. Anyways, let's get back to the topic, shall we? Besides, I'm obviously not as smart as you guys... I've only been in the forumns for two days, and feel like I've started a war or something! Sorry, dudes (or girls)!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #42 on:** December 20, 2003, 06:25:31 PM »

Oh, I agree that Halo is indeed a very good FPS, just nothing new. And since it's nothing new it's contradictory to bring up it's level of quality while at the same time denouncing Nintendo's lack of originality.

And you haven't started a war, just brought up something that Nintendo fans don't like to deal with, yet have to very often.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #43 on:** December 20, 2003, 09:33:26 PM »

Hm, revolutionary FPS since HL? Like, Thief, Deus Ex and Metroid Prime?

NarmaK · « **Reply #44 on:** December 20, 2003, 10:21:13 PM »

There were guns in thief?

Well whatever, I think that nintendo should make games about as dark and violent as BG&E and SC2.
Anything more and they wouldnt know what the hell they are doing.

Embracing? wtf does that mean? Consoles dont embrace games, they dont make them, they just Fing play them. Should nintendo give certain breaks to developers so they will develop more mature games for GC?
If they feel like it, I dont realy give a damn. If developers want to give more mature games to GC then they will, it doesnt have all that much to do with nintendo.

Right now I cant think of any mature games I would rather have on GC. Maybe goldeneye2 or FFXIII, but those will probably be on the GC or NES5 anyways.

So uh, yeah. Everybody name a game other than GTA you would like to see on GC.

dus · « **Reply #45 on:** December 21, 2003, 04:26:28 AM »

Hey, mouse clicker- it may suprise you, but I am a Nintendo fan. I guess I care about them enough to say that if this was their first year in the red, then maybe they may not be doing something wrong, but not doing something right. In lamens terms: They aren't doing anything wrong, but they're missing something. I mean, obviously, right?

Oh, and Mature games I'd like to see on GCN? Well, I praise Nintendo for not having GTA on their system, as that happens to dominate a systems image. So, I guess having the Final Fantasies and Fatal Frames (1 and 2). I guess that's about it, really.

Ps. I don't think you're allowed to start polls, ie. lists

KDR_11k · « **Reply #46 on:** December 21, 2003, 05:45:00 AM »

NarmaK: Thief includes a bow.

The Omen · « **Reply #47 on:** December 21, 2003, 06:49:16 AM »

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How dare you even suggest that games like Halo aren't genius! I personally think that Halo, among some other Mature games, is the most brilliant game of all time!

I think you need to expand your horizans. Halo is a good game. Thats it. Leave the genius sh!t out of here. I'm so tired of people riding this game. Is it a top FPS? Probably. But it is not revolutionary in any way. Stop thinking its the be-all end-all to gaming.

dus · « **Reply #48 on:** December 21, 2003, 08:33:31 AM »

You're right. It isn't revoloutionary. It's evoloutionary. I've never seen a more replayable game, and that is why it is evoloutionary. Oh, and It does deserve the hype, kid.

Jale · « **Reply #49 on:** December 21, 2003, 08:37:09 AM »

Sheesh there are countless gore-happy FPS out there. Why is Halo any different?

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Author Topic: Should GCN embrace the dark, violent games? Like Xbox and PS2? (Read 17505 times)