Topic: The great crash of.....05

[KDR_11k]

You mean the one where he said "Soon we will no longer be able to sell games on graphics alone"?

[nemo_83]

The new interview whose topic was unfortunately trashed by some glitch in talkback.  I believe a lot of what he said.  Though graphics do matter in getting the consumer to buy a new console as far as I'm concerned; the graphics getting prettier won't help keep this stale market alive.  I believe that in order for the industry to survive it must get closer to VR with innovative gameplay allowing new ways of playing.  Its like the 3d revolution only better.  I think the DS may make games more real, but not in the sense of graphics; just the presentation of those graphics.  VR for example could easily have worked for any of the present systems, but they just couldn't afford the technology.

Also I would like to use this topic to address Deguello who locked my topic on the GameCube board and I don't feel like posting a whole new topic right now just for the one response I wanted to make; which I didn't get a chance to make since the topic got shut down before I could rebut.  I don't know why Deguello is so ticked at my opinion that online is cheaper than GB/GC connectivity.  As far as I am concerned it is way way cheaper.  I'm already paying for broadband internet and I'm going to continue to pay for it regardless of whether Nintendo does or does not use online.  So thats one bill that I'm splitting between 5 roomates here at college.  Then take in the fact that I only have to own one Cube, one game, and one controller and the total so far is around $200.  Maybe add whatever that FF11 charge is in (which is also being played on three different PCs in this house right now anyways.)  Now if you factor in that I already have a cube, memory card, broadband, and controllers the price of online is reduced a great deal; while I would still have to pay almost $500 bucks to enjoy FFCC.

Also I would need to find friends that either don't mind playing on my several hundred dollars worth of GBs that I can't afford (hopefully they wouldn't constantly complain about how uncomfortable it is to hold like my cousin in AL; 5 hours away) and link cables for long periods of time or find friends that all have GBs, link cables, and love FF and multiplayer.  Maybe if I get extremly lucky I could find some friends somewhere in the US that not only have GBs, link cables, love for FF and multiplayer, but also a GameCube and the game FFCC itself.  I don't know anyone personally within a 5 hour range of driving that I could play FFCC with since noone I've asked is even willing to buy a GBA and link cable and play with me.  Not even my roomates who love FF11 will do it since they don't want to spend all of that money and why do it when they've got the real deal already.

Sorry for those fast forward readers that didn't want that rant inserted so out of place here, but the place I had made for it got deleted.  Plus some people in the topic thought I was calling everyone a fanboy, when I wasn't, but didn't have the time to look up dozens of names of the mindless.  So then I got attacked even more before getting locked.  It is illegal at planetgamecube to think and be objective to what Nintendo dictates is the law.  I just criticized them for what was wrong and never called them a failure this gen or last gen; I only said they had failed to do what they had said they would do.  In essence though the topic wasn't just about Nintendo's mess ups; it was about planetgamecube's messups.  But if you're curious as to what topic I'm talking about go here

http://planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=3&threadid=8323

[DrZoidberg]

it's also illegal to post off topic, complain about moderators decisions, and be a clownboat

[Jonnyboy117]

nemo_83, I think the reasons for locking your other topic were thoroughly explained by multiple users, including Deguello himself.  If you have something new to say, we don't have a problem with it.  However, you have to realize that forums are for discussion and not for simply for you to vent your opinions, and when your posts contain no new information or novel ideas, there is no good way for them to foster discussion.

Your accusations of pro-Nintendo censorship are laughable.  You clearly don't read any of PGC's editorials.  I wrote one in January called "GameCube's Mid-Term Report Card", in which I gave Connectivity a grade of "F" and rebuked Nintendo heavily for not giving more support to developers who want to create online titles for GameCube, as well as for not experimenting more with the technology themselves.  The Talkback thread for that editorial stretched to hundreds of posts, most of which contained intelligent discussion from a variety of perspectives.

I don't want to lock or delete this thread, because it looks like you have a very nice editorial and discussion going here, regarding a possible industry crash in 2005.  However, I must advise you to stay on topic here and post your grievances with the moderators or with the site in the PGC Discussion area, where it belongs.  As for posting about Nintendo's online plans, you are always free to do so as long as what you have to say is said in such a way as to not invite flamewars (i.e. don't troll) and does not simply rehash old information or retread the same arguments that have been presented here time and time again.  You have to realize that some people on these forums have been discussing Nintendo's online plans for five years, and there's simply not much tolerance for someone who is going to rile up the same old argument without anything new to offer.  

[nemo_83]

I didn't want to get off of this topic in fear of losing it to a lock, but was in the process of making a response and just decided to get my rebutal out while I was at it rather than causing anyone to get angry by taking up space on a board on the site with a whole new topic.  I didn't catch that talkback topic, but I think I remember reading the editorial.  

Yes it was wrong for me to go off topic, but usually I don't go off topic.  The real origin of my anger though was Luciferchild's topic getting locked; and I felt the lockdown had to be protested.  Sometimes it seems there is no voice but that of the fanboy when few will come to the aid of a poster's unpopular opinions even though I know there are some logical people here; I just don't see them as vocal; or at least as often as I would like.  I didn't really feel like regurgitating the same old garbage myself, but knew I had to cause someone would complain cause I didn't offer any evidence and then I would have to spew it out anyways.  I didn't expect to get locked because the info was old.  I can't help that the info is old; that's Nintendo's problem for going on media blackout (which I'm sure we're all tired of because it forces us to make due with what we have and sometimes it can get boring unless someone inserts a bit of passion.)

But anyways the real reason I got back on to make a reply is to beg the question of how the DS will affect the future market if it turns out to just be another gimmicky answer to the problem risen by FFCC and other connected games.  It is most likely, as Nintendo's history has shown; to be a GBA that features two screens (one for the incoming Cube game data to be displayed and the other for what the GBA would normaly show.)  I wouldn't expect any N64 graphics GameBoy to come out for at least a year or two seeing as how the GB is so dang successful right now.  It may help them gain more mainstreme market by showing a stronger devotion to the whole connectivity thing, but in reality I think the market will move by the motions of the decissions of the hardcore and presently the majority aren't really too enthused by it and are more for the idea of going online.  Nintendo is risking simply hading over willingly their hold on the multiplayer market to the other companies that they established securly with Mario Kart 64 and Goldeneye.  I'm pretty sure Sony will force their players to go online by only putting 2 ports on the ps3.  This is smart because they can save money on ports and hopefully find it easier to generate profits by increasing thier number of subscribers.  And now at DICE Nintendo has taken more emphasis off of online gaming.  Nintendo says they are for the consumer since they don't want us paying more after we have bought the game, but their actions don't reflect this as has already been pointed out about the GB/GC connectivity.  What do they think we are all as blind with devotion as american republican voters?

[KDR_11k]

Well, if you want Nintendo to offer online, then how about this: Think up a model that will cost Nintendo nothing/bring them profit (and that means now, not in ten years!). Just screaming "We want online!" is not a reason for them to offer it.

[odifiend]

Although I know I'd hate Nintendo for it, have they ever thought of having a bunch of advertising before you could enter an online game?  I know when they send you nintendo newsletters they have their own ads then a third party ad closeby.  Could a similar system be implemented with *shudder* even more ads?  And maybe a premium plan for those who can't stand ads?

[KDR_11k]

I'd guess they have. I'd go for a banner in the games, though. As long as it's not too large and distracting it shouldn't be a problem.

[nemo_83]

I saw a new topic on the crash subject in Cube discussion and it had an interesting link....so here it is since it got locked.

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/crash.html

It surprises me how closly to my own ideas this article is.  

edit:  I forgot to mention how this supports my theory that gaming has reached a plateau and requires imersing the gamers with accesible peripherals bringing in the need of the use of more of the body rather than just cramping the crap out of our fingers.

[KDR_11k]

Only thing bothering me is how he says people in the 30-50 age bracket don't play games anymore although all statistics suggest otherwise.

[Retroyoshi]

remember- that 30-50 age bracket of "game players" includes a lot of solitary, hearts, and... well... everquest.  *WE* will probably be the first generation of real "older age bracket" kids unless we decided not to play.

[nemo_83]

These 30 and over age groups are either just parents that buy the games for their little kids being counted as gamers or just the parents that are active in their kid's lives and partake in the games thier kids want them to play.

So horny violence hungry 12 year olds drive the whole market cause they think the college kids are playing the "cool" games, when we are really playing a lot of hardcore games in college.  Whether that refers to hardcore racing, fighting, sports, extreme sports, adventure, platforming, strategy, or rpgs is all up to the dorm room, but nearly all college guys are gamers.  The reason is that they get out of high school and grow up and realize that games are fun and not toys so they go out and get a GBSP and Mario Kart because an intelligent college kid doesn't care if the other 14 year olds at recess think he is a nerd.  The college person doesn't have time for childish social wedging.

[DrZoidberg]

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Originally posted by: Retroyoshi
remember- that 30-50 age bracket of "game players" includes a lot of solitary, hearts, and... well... everquest.  *WE* will probably be the first generation of real "older age bracket" kids unless we decided not to play.

actually my Dad, aged 54 this year, is a huge gamer, pretty skilled at RTS (AOE2, AOM, WC3 etc), Diablo 2 and others, but statisticly speaking he's probably in the minority.

oh and my Aunty and Uncle are big gamers, around late 30's

[manunited4eva22]

Ya, there are a few guys I know in their mid to lat 30s playing games still pretty hardcore.  Guy in our clan is 34 and is #1 on twl ladder for command and conquer generals.

[NWR_insanolord]

[Stratos]

And here I thought we were going to get some great reflective commentary on these thoughts and how Wii changed everything.

L-O-Freaking-L.

[Plugabugz]

Laughing My Abigail Off.

[BeautifulShy]

I figured a bot bumped this topic when I first saw it.Didn't check who bumped it.


Wow Dr. Zoidberg was around then.Wonder what happened to him.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

He started playing WoW, stopped playing WoW, and fell out of the loop of reality and cool internet kids.

Not kidding.

[vudu]

Oh wow ... nemo_83.  I haven't had the chance to ignore one of his posts in a long time.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

The Great Crash was one of the darkest moments in our history.

I would know.  Because, I was there.

THE

TRUTH

WILL

SURVIVE

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

[KDR] "but it still sounds plausible: A piece of hardware that is unlike anything before it and might change the way we play our games."

Just, wow.

[KDR] "I hope next time the distribution ends equal for all. That way publishers can no longer prefer one or the other based on sales numbers."

The future bore interesting fruit.

~~~~~

Nearly SIX YEARS OLD, this thread is a treasure chest.

[Stratos]

I think this thread even pre-dates my old forum lurker days. KDR has been here for a while. And he's still an active poster.

[Plugabugz]

I think this thread even pre-dates my old forum lurker days. KDR has been here for a while. And he's still an active poster.

LOL it turns out he registered on here 12 days before i did. This thread really is a treasure chest.

[vudu]

Hey, I was here before KDR.  ACKNOWLEDGE ME, MAN