Topic: Why you should drop Windows...

[mouse_clicker]

Even Microsoft won't keep that up for long- like I said, Microsoft didn't get to where they are today by throwing money away. They got to where they are today by lying, cheating, and stealing.  

[Grey Ninja]

I still don't see any need to give Microsoft any money, even if they do get what they have by lying, cheating, and stealing.  

[mouse_clicker]

That's just the thing- I didn't give Microsoft any money!

Just kidding of course.

[akdaman1]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
Procession, don't bother trying to argue with Akdaman.  It's seriously not worth your while.

Mouse, Microsoft is proceeding with the Xbox with a philosophy that they will buy what they can and sort it all out later.  They tried to by Nintendo, EA, Square, Sega, Bungie, Rare, and many others, on the assumption that if they bought some of the more respected developers, then people would buy their crappy console, and they could win in the end.  Where do you suppose the funding for that comes from?

Give me some F****ng respect , Why would you want Xbox to fail ? I find this thread o.k but reason 1 is stupid . Dont use windows cause you are helping Microsoft pay for the Xbox , and you are hurting Nintendo.

 

[Grey Ninja]

akdaman, my problem with you is that you have scarcely posted a single intelligent thing since oyu have come to this place.  I asked you to do a simple thing like research RPC, and you couldn't even find out what it stood for.  I want Xbox to fail for the same reason I want Windows to fail.  It's a shoddily designed piece of crap that MS is marketting like it was the second coming, and complete f*cking retards fall for it.

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
That's just the thing- I didn't give Microsoft any money!

Just kidding of course.

Do you seriously think you are not alone?  You know my personality well enough to fill in the blanks of course.  I still think that Windows is a very shoddy product, and does not deserve its place in the lead.  The problem is that since it has the largest userbase, people will develop for it, and because it has the largest amount of software, people will use it... and so on.

Luckily though, Linux has everything you might want, aside from games.  Since I don't play PC Games, it's a very appealing alternative for me.

[akdaman1]

I havent said an Intellegnt thing my A** . I dont care what you think of me .  I used to think of you as one of the more intellegent people on these forums .

You want X box to fail ? Why ? Because Its against Nintendo ? I dont have an Xbox or anything. And I dont want one . I hate PC gaming. I came on this topic stating that reason 1 was silly , "Dont use Windows cause you are helping microsoft and hurting Nintendo ?

If you seem to find that normal , and perfectly right then you have something in your head .

P.S -Procession , I have nothing against you , I just feel that your reasoning is stupid .

Edit ** Why should I look up what an RPC is ? Just cause you said so ? Like youre so important ...

[Grey Ninja]

Your claim that Windows worked perfectly fine was naive and to use your words:

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I just feel that your reasoning is stupid.

I asked you to go figure out what RPC was for your own benefit.  I am not here to hold your hand.  I am not here to provide technical support for your computer.  I am not here to win any fights.  I gave you fair warning that you didn't have a clue what you were talking about, and you should drop it, but you choose to sit here and fight with me.  Why?

Personally I don't give a crap what you think of me.  I might care a little more if you actually contributed something to this place, or paid attention in english class, or moved to an ISP other than AOL, but really, you haven't left a good impression on anyone here really.  Most people are just a little more polite than I.

[Zero_Plague]

I could not beleive what I just read...

I'm sorry I have to say this, and I usually dont, but Grey Ninja... what is your f**king problem?

You only want ONE gaming industry and just ONE pc industry?
This is a completed load of crap.

As much as I like Nintendo better then the X-Box, there is no reason for it to die out. We need more companies and industries to compete against eachother.
If it was purely Nintendo, then there would be nothing new.

I hate to say this against Nintendo, but if it was ONLY the Nintendo consoles left in the world... then there would be arguments.

"Whats new?"

"Oh nothing much. Nintendo are bringing out the Gamecube 4256th next year and it is going to have another repetetive Mario and Luigi game." (sigh)


My point is not that I dislike Nintendo... but we need other industries and companies to compare against and use.

The same goes for Computing.

I would not want Macintosh / Apple computers to be the ONLY pc in the world. Same goes for Windows. I would want both: Apple and Windows and what not to exist in the world.

The Majority of the World uses Windows, and even if it does not I wouldn't care.
Just use what you use, and use what you think is best.
Dont just try going to change other peoples opinions on stopping to use Windows.

[Shift Key]

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Dont just try going to change other peoples opinions on stopping to use Windows.

Erm, have you looked up the definition of a discussion? People are just discussing Windows, not trying to change everyone's opinions.

I'm not gonna preach my view, because its definitely wasted on some here. I just like to dispute points and debate. Happy hunting!

[mouse_clicker]

Ninja: Of course I know that it happens! It's more a matter of not wanting to banned, since the mods' vigilance seems to have been renewed.

Also, akdaman was talking to Procession when he said "I just feel that your reasoning is stupid."

[ghostVi]

1. xbox's success would be defined by MS's complete take over the consoles industry. THIS is why it has to fail, and I'm glad looking at Nintedo kicking their ass all the way Next gen would be harder though.

2. Windows is crap for many reasons, most of which are related to comparisons to other products/OSes, which actually DO show some real innovation, different from trying to charge you for using FAT32 on your mp3 player. Not sure about Linux, I'm going trough a period of transition to multi-platform tools at work so I can give Libranet a try.

[Grey Ninja]

Zero Plague, my problem is that akdaman doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, and refuses to act like a rational human being.  It's not just this thread.  I am just sick of his lack of intellect in general.  I have a severe dislike for spam, and he's one of the worst here.  I thought I did pretty good going this long without blowing up at him.

And my problem with MS should be obvious.  Look at the PC industry.  MS doesn't share marketspace, they buy it.  The last thing that I want them in is the console industry.  Nintendo always believed that their success comes from innovation.  Microsoft always believed that they could create success by buying everything.

[KDR_11k]

Windows is the worst piece of crap to ever disgrace the surface of earth (with exception of Netscape 4.x and lower). I have it on my main computer simply because the damn third-parties force me to, but I try to kill anything Windowsy on it. I think I'll kill off explorer again soon. Is there a Windowmaker port for Win32?

Windows is like that piece of crap clone Lindows insecure by default. Microsoft is proud of the fact that every stupid can use Windows. Good, but if that means we get idiots as Sysadmins we're screwed. Our school runs of a SuSE/Windows hybrid (SuSE mounted via NFS, Windows just a terminal). The company that set it up is a bunch of complete idiots that couldn't scratch their rear end without a manual. Windows might be easier to set up and use, but it's at least as hard to secure as Linux. Yes, Linux is not totally secure after the installation. No, that doesn't mean you cannot make it secure yourself.

[akdaman1]

Look , I said I dont know jack about computers , Fine ...so what ? Thats not why I came in this thread...I came in looking for a good read , I dont believe Microsoft should fail ...why ? Shoddy this or shoddy that .

Xbox is a great console and Microsoft have made some good buisness decisions , They have some great exclusives Project Gotham , Panzer orta ( or whatever its called ) etc. I dont mind the rest of this discussion but just because a company poses a threat to your favourite console , that means that there is no reason for it go down and fail.

P.S. I might not be the smartest person here , but I make an effort. I ALWAYS make an effort to spell correctly and I put thought into my posts ( ...not all the time ). And I do have a lot of fans here at the moment despite what you may think.

P.S.S When do I ever spam a thread ? I want proof ....

[Ghost_of_a_Flea]

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Originally posted by: akdaman1
Xbox is a great console and Microsoft have made some good buisness decisions , They have some great exclusives Project Gotham , Panzer orta ( or whatever its called ) etc. I dont mind the rest of this discussion but just because a company poses a threat to your favourite console , that means that there is no reason for it go down and fail.

From a business standpoint the Xbox has been a complete and utter failure; the point of business decisions is to make money.  Microsoft wants to destroy/buy the competition creating a monopoly in the game industry... an ideal situation for MS is to buy Nintendo and run Sony out of the game industry giving MS complete control over console games and prices.  That's the business strategy of MS, they do it with every venture outside of Windows and Office; they lose a ton of money until they create a monopoly and THEY control the industry.  The Xbox is far from a great console; it's basically a cheap computer that does little outside of playing games and DVDs.  

[akdaman1]

Its true what you said . I agree , the Xbox is a toned down computer.

But there is no denying that it has great games. What Microsoft has done buisness wise is smart , They have been using there power/money for exlucive deals , they might have lost this generation but I believe that in the next generation , Microsoft would learn not to build such a high priced machine.  Once they build a low cost machine ( aka gamecube ) they will have a much better chance at succeding in the buisness.

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: akdaman1
But there is no denying that it has great games.

Had to step in here...I would really like to know what these "great" titles are...Right now, I have a whopping TWO titles for my Xbox, one of which is a generic FPS, and another which is a decent fighting game(DOA, which was fun until Soul Calibur II came out)...My next title will be Ninja Gaiden, which won't come out till next February(and it's not a Microsoft title!  They had to pay off Tecmo to get the game to come out for the Xbox instead of the GC!)...So no, the Xbox has a horrible library, and the few "good" games it has were from shelling out some hardcore cash to get it exclusive... to you, Microsoft...Go back to your OS monopoly...

[mouse_clicker]

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But there is no denying that it has great games. What Microsoft has done buisness wise is smart

Well made, yes, but only one of those is associated with Microsoft at all, in my opinion. And Microsoft has NOT made great business decisions- if they're handlnig the business side of the XBox so well, why is the XBox in third worldwide on top of MS losing millions upon millions of dollars on it? Maybe if they were making a profit or had better sales, I'd say they were doing some business right, but neither of those are true. I'm surprised MS is still pumping money into the XBox when they're losing so much on it. MS would have been smarter to cut their losses and dumped the XBox long ago.

[manunited4eva22]

Akdman, the reason why grey is saying "you have no idea what your talking about," and is lacking respect for you is simple. Only because you said yourself that you know next to nothing about computers, yet when he says there are far greater products than windows, xbox will monopolize the business, thus quality will die (exhibit one; see windows 1.0-ME) do you go bezerk.  It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to argue with a guy who does know what he is talking about.

So do yourself a favor next time: If you don't know what your talking about, and admit to it, atleast take the time to become knowledgable about the subject before you start arguing with someone who knows the ins and outs of the subject, and actually has a job in the same field...  

[akdaman1]

Oh no Manunited I do know what I am talking about , I agree Grey Ninja knows more than me about all this computer stuff, but I never came in here saying that this topic is bad , I came in saying that reason was is not right. Which I still believe.

Xbox does have great games , Microsoft have TRIED to innovate with games like Blinx ( Tried ) , they have made good decisions like Xbox Live and using thier money to gain power . They have exclusives like PGR2 , Ninja Gaiden , Half Life 2 ( I know it will be on other next gens ) , Doom etc.

I have 60+ PS2 games , I have played all of them , they are all hopeless , I personnaly prefer Xbox over PS2 anyday , I do know what I am talking about , you people are just taking it onto the wrong contex ( not sure if thats the word I wanted to use ).

I wont back down , I know what I am talking about .

[Grey Ninja]

I am SICK of all this fighting.  Akdaman, I am not going to bother fighting with you anymore.

Can we please get back on topic?

I am downloading Mandrake Linux 9.2 as we speak, and I just cleared 10GB of space on my hard drive and prepared an EXT2 partition for it.  With any luck, I should be ready to install it later on tonight.  I can't wait to start playing with it again.  And this time I WONT forget my root password.  

[nolimit19]

akdaman1 speaks truth

[Zero_Plague]

I think that everybody should just stop now.

We all know that if this continues, it is going to be Endless Debating.
I dont have any doubts or offensed against any other members on this forum, and I never want to.
So I am just going to stop here, and say this:


Opinions can't be changed by another person. The person themself must change their opinion, and they might change it by being influenced by others.
But it looks as if nobody in this topic is going to change their opinion... hence carrying out the name "Endless Debating".


That is all I am going to say, and this will be the last post I am ever going to make in this topic.

[Procession]

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
I am SICK of all this fighting.  Akdaman, I am not going to bother fighting with you anymore.

Can we please get back on topic?

I am downloading Mandrake Linux 9.2 as we speak, and I just cleared 10GB of space on my hard drive and prepared an EXT2 partition for it.  With any luck, I should be ready to install it later on tonight.  I can't wait to start playing with it again.  And this time I WONT forget my root password.  

Nice From what I hear 9.2 is pretty good, although you may have to download a few updates, as I hear the initial release was sort of buggy. If things don't work out too well with Mandrake, try Fedora (formerly Red Hat) or Knoppix/Gnoppix. If you've already got the partition, you may as well keep experimenting! One more thing: when installing Mandrake you may want to change that partition to ext3 or ReiserFS, ext2 is great, but ReiserFS and ext3 are newer and as a result have some advantages. Mandrake actually probably uses one of the two by default. Good luck!

[Grey Ninja]

I heard that Ext3 had some problems, so I installed Ext2 instead.  And remember though, I have been an MS user since MS-DOS 5, so I am used to having to update.  

And I am sure that I will be calling on you for answers to my questions when I get it installed.    Btw, do you know of a Linux port of Kazaa Lite?