Author Topic: Why you should drop Windows... (Read 21315 times)

Berto2K · « **Reply #25 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:38:10 AM »

Was this a system from an OEM or custom? If it was OEM, there is no activation needed on the users part. I have had no problems with WINXP on my custom rig, which is littered with various hardware with Windows ceritfied and uncertified drivers. Windows doesn't crash if an application does now either. Or even when Explorer dies. I was messing around one day, and wanted to see how many program I could get open at once. Windows can still run. I think I got up to 16 applications running, 4 of them being various media players all playing a file. I have never received any blue screens since I started using XP. And I got it legitimately 1 month earlier than release day.

I have run my computer as much as a week (that I can remember for sure) after explorer has crashed. The longest time that I have record for that my computer was running was over 16 days. Only having to restart from a NAV update. I have never had a virus on my computer. There was even a time when I didn't have any anti-virus program installed at all.

Sure getting patches and maybe tweaking settings to get them to work just how you like is a pain someitmes. But it makes you a more responsible and more knowedgeable user.

Procession · « **Reply #26 on:** December 11, 2003, 02:11:07 AM »

Custom. I made a list of components I thought were good and he bought them all and the store put it together and couriered it down. He hasn't had any problems since AFAIK, although I haven't seen him for awhile.

Anyway here's the great joke: the PC came, he tried to install Windows. Windows kept saying "No Hard Drive Found" or something along those lines. So he calls me up and says "Bloody Windows, telling me there isn't a hard drive!". So I told him to open the case to see if perhaps the IDE cable has been dislodged during shipping. He opens the case and I tell him to look for a little metal case, about half the size of a CD-ROM drive, under the CD-ROM drive. He says "I can't see anything! There is nothing there!". I tell him "Are you sure? Look carefully... maybe it's somewhere else?" "There's nothing bloody here!" sound quite fustrated at me, his new investment and the world in general. So I pondered for awhile and asked him "Are you sure you ordered the hard drive?". He declares he had and starts slagging off the owner of the store to me. Eventually I convince him to recheck his email reciept on his old PC. Turns out the dunce had never even ordered it!

akdaman1 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2003, 09:43:29 AM »

I have had Windows my whole life and it only screwd up on me once . I am fine with Windows etc

My problem is that he came out and said ' Lets not use Windows , the profits go to the company that makes Xbox.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #28 on:** December 11, 2003, 10:20:42 AM »

I've been dogged by Windows my whole life, and not a day goes by that I don't have some problem, minute though they may be. But I value PC gaming, hence my unwillingness to switch operating systems.

Ghost_of_a_Flea · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2003, 11:31:18 AM »

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I've been dogged by Windows my whole life, and not a day goes by that I don't have some problem, minute though they may be. But I value PC gaming, hence my unwillingness to switch operating systems.

I'm with Mouse on this one; while I hate Windows with a passion I'm unwilling to give up PC gaming. I'm interested in getting a second computer to do everything except gaming; I've considered getting a Mac or Linux laptop, but at the soonest it'll be a couple months before I can swing it.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 11, 2003, 11:32:11 AM »

u would switch, but its too much work. also because of the few games i do play on pc.

Jdub03 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:28:20 PM »

Those of you who have or had windows Me must know my pain. One of these days im going to smash my Pc with a sledge hammer. Everytime I turn it on it runs scandisk for about 10 minutes, it also freezes up constantly. These days its running as fast as a 486.

On a related note the people who created windows Me can go to hell, compliments of Jdub international.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #32 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:37:30 PM »

God I feel your pain. I use Windows ME and it just sucks.

"Error in <unknown> has caused this browser to close and the windows will now shoot raw sewage in your face"

I was going to "downgrade" to windows 98 but it ended up being too much work, and I decided reformatting my hard-drive wasn't worth it. I need to find a copy of Windows XP or something. Or if I ever get internet in my room I could try linux. But I know absolutley nothing about it.

Kinda unrelated: Windows ME freezes on me constantly, and ctrl+alt+delete won't even work sometimes. that causes me to use the power button on my PC. If I do this too much, though, windows will think there is something seriosly wrong with my HD and won't run windows to prevent damage (happened to this PC and windows wouldn't even start in safe mode, had to get it serviced). Once that happens my PC it's dead for good because my parents refuse to have any service for it. I'm wondering how many times you have to do that for windows to shut down, or if you can prevent that from happening (besides not shutting down, of course). Or pretty much any other info on this. I'm scared to death that it will happen again.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 11, 2003, 12:54:35 PM »

Well sorry for all your pain , Windows might suck ( Not for me , XP is great ) but Procession , at least edit reason 1 , its silly .

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #34 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:08:31 PM »

KnowsNothing: That's what you get for using Windows ME.

While XP still has some issue, it's a LOT better than any previous version of Windows.

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but Procession , at least edit reason 1 , its silly .

Agreed.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:25:26 PM »

akdaman, how about you figure out what an RPC vulnerability is. When you get done that, come back here and tell me you haven't had any problems with Windows.

Mouse, I know what you mean. There are some things we would just rather not do without. But with me, all the games I play regularly are available on Linux, and Linux is more oriented towards people like me. I am seriously going to do something about that this weekend.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:36:46 PM »

I don't really care for MS or Windows. My ultimate dream is for someone to release and sell a better operating system that runs on PC hardware that gives MS some competition and is supported by most of the same developers. However I still don't care for Linux and thus don't plan on using it in the forseeable future.

Why? Partially because it's a big pain in the ass. Let's face it, unless I want to miss out on a lot of software, I have to have both Linux and Windows on my machine so I have to f*ck around with partitions and stuff. The hassle of that kind of ruins the whole point of "switching" in the first place. Another reason is that I just plain don't find Linux very user friendly. Windows is user friendly and that's why it became so successful. Now sometimes in an attempt to make things more user friendly MS makes it harder to do something specific but overall it's not that bad.

And one big reason that I don't care for Linux is that it's free. I have a job as a programmer and I don't really like the concept of freeware because, well, if everyone accepted that concept I'd be out of a job. I like living in my capitalist society where I get paid for my work thank you very much. Plus because it's free there's ultimately no incentive to improve the product. Money is very persuasive and a company is more willing to go that extra mile to get more money.

My problem with MS is that they have a stranglehold on the market, not that they're a big corporation that makes lots of money. The ideal situation is two or more companies competing in the OS market for our hard earned money. That would result in better products overall. Linux cannot provide that situation.

MattCrafty · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2003, 01:39:23 PM »

I use Windows ME and usually does not give me any trouble.

The only problem with it is that it sometimes will not shutdown. After I click Start > Shutdown, it goes to a black screen with one blinking underscore, almost like it is still thinking. But I can only hear the fans running and no hard drive activity so I just shut it down by holding the power button in.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #38 on:** December 11, 2003, 02:25:44 PM »

To each his own, Ninja- if you're a person who doesn't like PC games, or has access to the ones he does, as you do, there's really no reason to have Windows.

Jdub03 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 11, 2003, 02:47:58 PM »

I want to switch but I know absolutely nothing about linux, and I dont have the money right now to upgrade to XP. So for now Windows ME is my hated friend or aquintance wrather.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 11, 2003, 02:59:18 PM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
akdaman, how about you figure out what an RPC vulnerability is. When you get done that, come back here and tell me you haven't had any problems with Windows.

Mouse, I know what you mean. There are some things we would just rather not do without. But with me, all the games I play regularly are available on Linux, and Linux is more oriented towards people like me. I am seriously going to do something about that this weekend.

Seriously Ninja , I have not said a thing except his 1st reason is stupid , dont you agree ? Whats an RPC ? I have had absoultly no trouble with Windows XP Proffesional ,

My only ever problem was I got a virus on Windows 98 , I stand by my words , the first reason was silly and should be edited .

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:38:35 PM »

Windows gets hacked to hell because there has never been much of a seperation (if at all) between root and slave users. All those autoexec viruses only work because they have instant access to root.

Seriously though, if you want the most stabillity possible from an OS go to OpenVMS (Ironically VMS was created by the guy who later went onto design NT for Microsoft) OpenVMS is still more secure than Linux and the Unix based platforms, but it is dying from a lack of support.

RPC=Remote Procedure Call, jus to answer grey.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:40:19 PM »

What exalctly does an RPC do ?

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 11, 2003, 03:58:06 PM »

www.whatis.com

search...

Majexto · « **Reply #44 on:** December 11, 2003, 04:04:09 PM »

I only read the first page, sorry too lazy. But I use windows simply because i cant get red hat to install. Im somewhat computer illiterate. I like windows because of the game capabilities. If i had the money i would infact purchase a new macintosh. People say "oh they suck there only 1 ghz" if you look at tests everything runs and opens over double what the speed windows will do it. Also macintosh is very secure unlike windows. Also whoever said "money made on windows goes back into windows" what are you thinking? The microsoft loses profit on every xbox they make. The only reason the xbox was ever made was because microsoft was getting sued for all there monoplising (i know it had somthing to do with that) so they had to branch out. Windows crashes alot, XP is better than other windows that have been made, yet its really unsecure. There have been so many holes in it, if you havnt notices yet that usually these holes are known months before yet microsoft doesnt let you know. Windows has screwed up big time on almost everything they have done, patch here, patch this, patch that. Wow maybe windows is a little easier to use, but it sucks. I assure you if macintosh was cheaper it would be very dominant. Infact alot of the newer games are in fact on mac. Also another reason for mac's not being so cheap is because they actually use good parts. Unlike most store bought pc's. Most pc's you will buy at the stores have cheap hardware in them and run windows, which is not a good combination. 5200 rpm hard drives etc. Ok i kinda went off topic here but it comes back to windows. Anyway, windows is already on its downfall, they were just fined or in the process of being fined 3 billion, yes billion dollars. They are losing more money than they are making, A few years ago microsoft had 50 billion dollars and its down to 40 billion. The government is already fed up with microsoft, the state of mass. has made there government open source only, somthing that windows is not. Otheres are continueing to follow the trend. Anyway i went really far off topic sorry!

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 11, 2003, 04:22:24 PM »

Macs OS9 and down have been hacked to hell. OSX can be hacked depending on how well the person running it keeps it secure. If macs were actually capable of sustaining a much larger software base, macs would dominate.

Macs use basically the same parts as high end PCs, get over it. They use the same Pioneer DVD-RW drive as is available for PC, they use the same video cards (Geforece 4 MX, Radeon 9xxx) they are built on a Lian-Li chassis, basically the whole thing is a pc, except that it comes at a massive surchage. That is a different topic for a different, time, but I will give macs credit on one thing, Darwin is definately getting up there in terms of use.

Majexto · « **Reply #46 on:** December 11, 2003, 04:55:36 PM »

Mac will rarely ever crash unlike windows. The fee is really somthing alot of people are willing to pay, it is widely used for video editing etc. Also, I lost the site Ill try to find it, but it showed the loading times for different programs and other things compared on a mac and a windows pc, mac blew away the windows pc. And as I said games are coming out on the mac too. So as soon as the price of mac comes down or the economy comes up and people can maybe afford mac's I do see a fall a large fall in microsoft.

Procession · « **Reply #47 on:** December 11, 2003, 06:17:54 PM »

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I stand by my words , the first reason was silly and should be edited .

You may find it silly, but it does happen to be true. Microsoft makes a loss on the Xbox, so how do they pay for it? From their profitable ventures. What are their profitable ventures? Windows and Office. Plus editing it now would make half the following thread without context.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #48 on:** December 11, 2003, 06:21:17 PM »

Even if they were pouring all of their profit from Windows into the XBox, they wouldn't for long- Microsoft didn't get to be the richest corporation on the face of the earth by pumping money into something that won't return, and you don't make more money by throwing what you have away. If the XBox doesn't start making money, Microsoft will drop it, simple as that- it has nothing to do with how much profit they're getting from other divisions.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #49 on:** December 11, 2003, 06:35:54 PM »

Procession, don't bother trying to argue with Akdaman. It's seriously not worth your while.

Mouse, Microsoft is proceeding with the Xbox with a philosophy that they will buy what they can and sort it all out later. They tried to by Nintendo, EA, Square, Sega, Bungie, Rare, and many others, on the assumption that if they bought some of the more respected developers, then people would buy their crappy console, and they could win in the end. Where do you suppose the funding for that comes from?

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