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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2003, 06:35:27 PM »
1) links turn purple when you have visited them...  but you could try this
2) Middle Mouse button.
3) I was not aware that this was a problem, as my Sun Java Console works perfectly for me.  But you could try this O suppose.

Dark Sloth, Mozilla is still around, and Firebird is built upon the Mozilla core, but it's a different thing altogether.  In it's early life, Mozilla Firebird was known as Phoenix, but due to copyright problems and changes to Mozilla's long term plans changed the name to Mozilla Firebird.  The plan is to eventually replace Mozilla's browser with Firebird when firebird comes of age.  (1.0)

And while IE chooses to follow their own standard, Opera and Mozilla follow the standards laid out by the W3C.  That's not a bad thing.
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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2003, 07:59:56 PM »
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1) links turn purple when you have visited them...  but you could try this


Well, believe me when I say that links I have visited never are highlighted. I downloaded that extension and it didn't even work. I really didn't like it anyway becuase you are supposed to manually highlight the link yourself but like I said it didn't work.
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2003, 08:09:02 PM »
HA HA!!! I just figured out why my visited links weren't being highlighted. I had it set up so that my visited pages would stay in history for 0 days. This meant that it wasn't remembering any sites or links I had went to. I changed it to 1 day and now it works.  
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2003, 09:27:01 PM »
Well I am glad that it ended well for you.  That's 2/3 eh?  Is Java working for you yet?
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2003, 01:29:06 PM »
Okay, so far I have figured out the problem with my first problem. I also figured out that there is an option in the Tabbrowser Extensions that makes links that would normally open in a second window open in a tab instead. The third problem with Java seems to be fixed thanks to the link you gave me Grey Ninja. Also the new version of Firebird doesn't seem to have any of the memory problems that I was having.

My fourth question is is there anyway to make the icons in the main toolbar smaller. I already have "Use Small Icons" selected but it's still to big.  
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2003, 01:52:21 PM »
I cannot for the life of get the flash player plug in to load properly.
Any thoughts?
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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #81 on: October 19, 2003, 02:09:19 PM »
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My fourth question is is there anyway to make the icons in the main toolbar smaller. I already have "Use Small Icons" selected but it's still to big.


Glad to hear you are enjoying it.  

As far as the main icons go...  I am not really sure.  I like a nice sized icon myself, but you can try some other themes if you want.  You can find them here.  Some of them are ridiculously small, but I like the default myself.
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2003, 05:44:14 PM »
i know this is an old topic, but i just downloaded firebird and i have a question.  is there any way to make it so new pages automatically open in tabs instead of new windows without holding the control key?
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2003, 12:39:28 AM »
At it's default setting, clicking on the links with the middle mouse button should work.
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2003, 05:04:55 AM »
yeah, i figured that out too, but i'm just not used to it.  i typically use opera, which opens new pages in tabs by just left clicking the mouse button.  i guess i'll have to get used to it, or switch back to opera.
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!

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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2003, 01:40:50 PM »
http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#ctc

You can try some of these extensions.  I really don't use tabbed browsing much, and when I do, I middle click, so I only installed Tabrowser Preferences, which allows the user the option to select whether links that open in a new window open in a tab or not.  Links that are set to open in the current window will still open in the current window though.  I am not sure if that's what you wanted or not.
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2003, 04:36:01 PM »
my god, grey ninja, why do you care?  that is the real question.  you dont like internet explorer?  cool!  good for you!  why are you going to spread these IE Hate rants throughout this place though?  you sound like a macintosh freak...

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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2003, 04:36:47 PM »
i took grey ninja's advice and now am happy
oh and i figured otu the problem iwth my icon....its because i have visual c++
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2003, 04:38:03 PM »
I am a web developer.  I develop for an intranet that only supports IE.  Some of the things I need to do to get code running on IE SERIOUSLY irritates me.  I created this thread as a form of release.  Firebird is a much "better" browser, and if I can help get rid of IE in the real world, I feel better.

Good enough answer for you?

ThePerm, I have Visual Studio 6 installed right now, and when I get enough space on my hard drive, I will be installing Visual Studio .NET 2003.  I don't have any problems with my icons.    But I am glad that you fixed that anyways.
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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2003, 09:57:05 PM »
Okay, so after many times hearing it on tv and from others here, I decided togive it a try.  I like the tabbed browsing, always thought that was cool.  One question I have that I noticed when browsing the preferences.  Where you can set the homepage, it says "Clicking the Home button takes you to this page or group of pages".  Does this mean that it will open a set of say 5 sites at once when I click on the home button?  And will they open in different tabs.  It would make it really easy to open my game sites right away.  Also, how would I set it up to load all those sites.  Would it be in a file? or just enter them all inline there in the text box?

EDIT:  Is there a way to turn off quick reply?
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2003, 04:11:19 AM »
okay grey, here's another problem i'm having with firebird...pgc doesn't show up correctly.  the formatting in the news posts is off.  instead of ending at the vertical line, the text runs clear to the end of the window.  this causes the thin vertical line that would normally end where the text ends to run through the entire length of the post.

i guess it doesn't effect anything that much, but i find it ironic that this thread has gone on for 5 pages on a forum for a website that doesn't work properly with firebird.
Why must all things be so bright? Why can things not appear only in hues of brown! I am so serious about this! Dull colors are the future! The next generation! I will never accept a world with such bright colors! It is far too childish! I will rage against your cheery palette with my last breath!

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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2003, 07:22:53 AM »
I started browsing the net in the Netscape 3 days so you don't need to convert me from IE.  Up until a few weeks ago I have stuck with Netscape (even the ultra buggy netscape 6).  Netscape 7 was great, tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is something I can no longer live without.  On thing I can't understand is how people wouldn't like tabbed browsing.  There is nothing I hate more than having my taskbar cluttered with windows.  With tabbed browsing I can cleanly have 20 screenshots open in one window.  Currently I'm using Mozzila 1.5.  One day I decided to install it since it should be less buggy than Netscape (it's built on the Mozilla code right?).

What differences are there between Mozilla and Mozilla Firebird?  I'm sure it was said already but there's too much reading to sort though.

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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2003, 10:39:10 AM »
To that poster above, Mozila and MozillaFirebird are two different projects.  The moral of the story is use whatever browser you want.  Develop using the standards.  My site works fine in both.  Been using Firebird since it was phoenix, the naples release.  Things have gotten much better.

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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2003, 11:52:16 AM »
i just got it, i hate ie...thank you for showing me the light
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2003, 12:11:53 PM »
I'm downloading firebird now to give it a go.  Any idea how much farther before a 1.0 release?

Edit:  Alright, I've played around with it for a bit and I'm impressed.  One thing that always bugged me on Netscape and Mozilla was loading the IGN Boards.  The browser would always freeze for a few seconds, this is now gone with firebird.

Is there a way to import my bookmarks from Mozilla?

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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2003, 12:55:36 PM »
should i completely delete ie now that i have this thing??? by the way, this this i way better then ie. i admit i dont know anything about computers, but ie was just wasnt working.
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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2003, 01:21:11 PM »
You should have deleted IE when you first saw it.

Glad to hear you like Mozilla. I am a personal fan of it myself. As for all of you "other folk" who are still using IE...*sigh* Just stop.
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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2003, 01:49:11 PM »
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Okay, so after many times hearing it on tv and from others here, I decided togive it a try. I like the tabbed browsing, always thought that was cool. One question I have that I noticed when browsing the preferences. Where you can set the homepage, it says "Clicking the Home button takes you to this page or group of pages". Does this mean that it will open a set of say 5 sites at once when I click on the home button? And will they open in different tabs. It would make it really easy to open my game sites right away. Also, how would I set it up to load all those sites. Would it be in a file? or just enter them all inline there in the text box?


Yes, you can set up multiple home pages if you wish.  I believe that using the button when you have multiple tabs open will set each of the pages to open whenever you hit home.  I prefer a single home page myself.  I use that feature though by setting aside folders of similarly themed items in my bookmarks.  I have a folder labelled "Dailies" that I can right click on, then select "Open in Tabs" to open up all bookmarks in the folder in tabs.  I also do the same with a folder labelled "Porn", and so forth.

On the quick subject of porn, Firebird makes it easy to get hentai comics, or just to view all pictures in a gallery too.  That's primarilly where I used tabbed browsing.  Middle clicking on each link in a hentai comic's index will open up each scan in a new tab, then you can go through each one, saving as you go.  For free porn galleries, there is an extension where you can just middle click on a picture, and advance forward and backward through the gallery without having to go back to the main index.  It's also a good way of finding pics that aren't in the index too.

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EDIT: Is there a way to turn off quick reply?


If you are talking about the forums, I don't think so.  I haven't seen an option for it, but I have never looked for one either.  I find it useful.  

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okay grey, here's another problem i'm having with firebird...pgc doesn't show up correctly. the formatting in the news posts is off. instead of ending at the vertical line, the text runs clear to the end of the window. this causes the thin vertical line that would normally end where the text ends to run through the entire length of the post.

i guess it doesn't effect anything that much, but i find it ironic that this thread has gone on for 5 pages on a forum for a website that doesn't work properly with firebird.


Just opened up IE to see if I could tell what you were talking about.  After closing all the popups and flash ads and stuff, I got to a news story, and compared the two side by side.  The two browsers rendered things a little differently, but I didn't see anything like what you might have been talking about.  Sorry.  Can you give me a screenshot?  I probably can't help much, as it's likely a coding problem with the site, but I would be able to pinpoint what's causing it.

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What differences are there between Mozilla and Mozilla Firebird? I'm sure it was said already but there's too much reading to sort though.


Nothing.  Mozilla is the same as Firebird at the core.  The difference is that while Mozilla comes with a big suite of applications, Firebird is JUST the browser.  It's the same as Mozilla, but it's been stripped of all the excess features.  Firebird is scheduled to eventually replace the Mozilla browser when it comes of age (sometime next year), as it's obviously the better product (as stated by the Mozilla developers).

The intention is to use Firebird as the browser, and Thunderbird as the mail component.  Everything else that you have enabled by default in Mozilla will be available via extensions in Firebird/Thunderbird.

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Develop using the standards. My site works fine in both. Been using Firebird since it was phoenix, the naples release. Things have gotten much better.


My site works fine in everything but IE, and is completely coded according to standards.  That gives me a great deal of pleasure.    I have been using Firebird since Phoenix 0.4

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should i completely delete ie now that i have this thing??? by the way, this this i way better then ie. i admit i dont know anything about computers, but ie was just wasnt working.


Not a good plan.  IE is integrated directly into your operating system, so there is simply no way of removing it and still being able to boot Windows.  Besides, there are likely to be some sites that won't work in anything but IE.  There aren't very many at all, but one of note is Windows Update.  IE is unsafe to run, and generally unpleasant to use, so I wouldn't use it much if I were you, but keep it around, just in case.

In case you are wondering, the main reason some sites (such as Windows Update) don't work in Firebird is because it doesn't support ActiveX or VBScript.  These are two MS technologies which have the ability to screw around with your computer in ways you would rather not know.  They are the root cause of many of IE's biggest vulnerabilities, and ActiveX in particular is inheritantly unsafe.

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Alright, I've played around with it for a bit and I'm impressed. One thing that always bugged me on Netscape and Mozilla was loading the IGN Boards. The browser would always freeze for a few seconds, this is now gone with firebird.

Is there a way to import my bookmarks from Mozilla?


The freeze upon loading a page was always one of my biggest gripes about Gekko based browsers.  Phoenix/Firebird was the first non-IE browser I used since Netscape 4, and I have to admit that I was seriously shocked that not only did it not freeze upon loading a new page, but it ran circles around IE.  

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RE: Why you should drop IE
« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2003, 02:05:41 PM »
I found that after I made the post.  In the end I decided to start from scratch since I had a lot of junk in my old bookmarks.

Edit: About 10 minutes ago I installed the TabScroller extension.  Ever since I started using Netscape 7 I wanted a way to easily switch between tabs, now I have it.

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RE:Why you should drop IE
« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2003, 02:12:00 PM »
lol i was just telling piac on msn how firebird solved my porn problem...i can open up alot in tabbed browsing
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