Author Topic: Why you should drop IE (Read 28163 times)

Mario · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2003, 07:38:35 PM »

For some reason i cant view flashes in Firebird, but i can in IE. So why is that? The only time i have to open IE is when i want to view flashes. Sorry if this has already been said im not gonna wade through all that "IE sucks, IE rules" discussion to try and find it

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Grey Ninja · « **Reply #51 on:** October 14, 2003, 08:01:42 PM »

Mario, get the netscape flash plugin, and flash movies work just fine. It works the same as in IE. No plugin, no flash.

Sirmorphix, I am sure that Firebird does have security holes, but there are most certainly not 31 well documented ones. As far as the link to the news about Valve, it was linked in my first post. I could repost it, but I am not about to get the link for you just to save you some time.

Short of it is:

Internet Explorer: Standard Browser, 31 unpatched holes.
Mozilla Firebird: Standard Browser, No known security flaws, extra features.

I still have yet to hear from you exactly why you prefer to give hackers easy access to your PC.

And Half Life 2 has been delayed till next year due to the code theft. You can thank IE. (Your browser of choice)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #52 on:** October 14, 2003, 09:42:00 PM »

IE and Outlook are tightly integrated, Outlook uses IE to display emails. They probably recieved a mail that contained an IE-exploit. Since Outlook always previews in HTML and immediately displays the mail when you select it they just needed to click on the mail to get infected.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #53 on:** October 15, 2003, 02:21:38 AM »

Do I need a firewall with FIREBIRD? if so which one works best. Thanks in advance.

Sirmorphix · « **Reply #54 on:** October 15, 2003, 07:53:18 AM »

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it was linked in my first post. I could repost it, but I am not about to get the link for you just to save you some time

Which part of that sentence was necessary and which part wasn’t? I’m very sorry that I didn’t follow your link on your first post and that I did not realize it was there. You could’ve saved yourself some time, and just said the link was in your first post. Instead, you had to be a jerk about it.

Thank you KDR_11K, for responding with some information without having to be pretentious. I appreciate it.

Here is the short of it, Internet Explorer performs all the functions I need of it. It is fast and stable for me. I do not care to have any of the extra features offered by your browser. I am not concerned about the security flaws enough to warrant switching over to another browser.

As for the HL2 delay, I have the hacker to thank. It wasn’t like IE was emailing the source code to who ever wanted it.

I spent about 5 minutes on the Mozilla site, and found tones of references to known security problems with it.

I don’t think I’ve ever debated with someone who gets so self righteous about their browser that they take personal offence to someone else’s opinion. I’m not going to waste any more of my time on this. I've never been rude to you in any of my posts or attempted to insult your intelligence, I expected at least that much from you.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #55 on:** October 15, 2003, 10:47:52 AM »

Sirmorphix: You smell of bad goat. The Yankees?!? You like...the...curse!?!?!?? YOU ARE EXILED TOO! OFF TO SIBERIA WITH YOU!

(but you can keep your eyelids. I guess I'm just that kind of guy.

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Berny · « **Reply #56 on:** October 15, 2003, 11:14:08 AM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja

But I think I should probably mention that Firebird automatically creates a bookmark folder for you with your imported IE bookmarks.

Yeah, I noticed that but it only decided to import the favorites that came with IE: Hardware Developsers, Software Developers, Multimedia. That sorta stuff. In other words, it is of little use to me. That's ok. I don't have TOO many favorites on IE left.

AGH! My computer has decided to suck. Does anyone know why my computer would have trouble starting PPP? Whenever I log on to the net for the first time every day, it just STOPS when it says "Starting PPP". Seriously, what the hell?

EDIT: One last question, Grey Ninja. How did you get a title under your name?

The Dark Tower · « **Reply #57 on:** October 15, 2003, 02:00:52 PM »

Grey Ninja, ever dabble in the dark arts?

...I mean hacking?

Uglydot · « **Reply #58 on:** October 15, 2003, 04:27:16 PM »

I use either Firebird or MyIE 2, depending what I boot into, usually linux, so usually Firebird. Use what ever you want, a browser isn't that big of a descision.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #59 on:** October 15, 2003, 04:47:17 PM »

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Originally posted by: Berny

EDIT: One last question, Grey Ninja. How did you get a title under your name?

I have no idea what PPP is to tell you the truth.

As for my title, I am confoosed. It says PGC Forum User, just like everyone else doesn't it? If it didn't, what did it say?

Dark Tower, I am a CS Major, and I am currently holding a job as a web developer. That probably gives me the knowledge to crack someone else's computer, as I am familiar with methods in doing so (it comes with the job), but I have never actively sought out that information. I am a peaceful computer geek.

Sirmorphix, it just makes no sense to me why anyone would choose IE over the superior competition. Forgive me for being blunt with you, but I am jsut a little irked that you just tell me it's a matter of preference without saying anything else. If there's anything that I hate, it's someone who doesn't listen to what I say when arguing, and people who just say that I am wrong without backing themselves up. You speak of switching like it's something that involves 3 hours of studying documentation and learning all sorts of new stuff with the new browser, when in reality it takes all of 2 minutes, and you scarcely notice the difference at first.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #60 on:** October 15, 2003, 04:49:47 PM »

Grey, it said "*Did not look in thread, feels sel-rightous about it."

And I am completely serious. I've already mentioned it in PGC discussion.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #61 on:** October 15, 2003, 04:57:27 PM »

Probably SUPER trying to piss me off some more. It worked too, even if I never saw it.

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #62 on:** October 15, 2003, 04:57:57 PM »

That's what I figured, but I didn't mention it in PGC discussion.

Bloodworth · « **Reply #63 on:** October 15, 2003, 06:03:40 PM »

Yeah, because then the mods would never know you said it....

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #64 on:** October 16, 2003, 01:33:50 AM »

Anyone, please, Do I need a firewall with firebird and a cable connection. If yes, what firewall would be best.
TIA

PIAC · « **Reply #65 on:** October 16, 2003, 03:17:30 AM »

yes, use a firewall with any browser, its just safer that way, personally i use norton's, i didn't like zonealarm that much so i wouldn't recomend that, other than that i don't have too much expiriance with firewalls (haven't had cable for that long). Norton is pretty user friendly too, unless someone can suggest a better firewall give it a download and protect your self

Pale · « **Reply #66 on:** October 16, 2003, 04:30:09 AM »

Hey gray, you said you wanted a reason why someone would use IE? well here is one coming from another "web-developer"

All of the browsers are competing for what they feel is the best way to interpret some of the simplest features in html. For example go to my site (PaleHour in my sig) in both ie and firebird. Now, one of the glaring things that jumps out is the divide that is floating in the middle of nowhere in mozilla. I'm gonna be removing that soon now that I realize how it reacts in mozilla. But other than that, I am very proud of my news script. It is written from scratch and very functional with a great forum like response feature. Notice how the picture is off center in mozilla and perfectly fine in ie? This is just stupid. Each browser is interpreting the location differently. I could easily change it to be centered in mozilla and not in ie, but what it comes down to is, as a web developer, i want it to look the best for the most people. Therefore the site is optimized for IE, though I do everything in my power to make it look nice everywhere, there are just too many damn things to test. That is why I use IE as my primary browser, because most sites are optimized as such.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #67 on:** October 16, 2003, 04:55:44 AM »

Palezero
your site loads exactly the same way for me with either firebird or IE.

Pale · « **Reply #68 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:18:15 AM »

look very closely at the pictures in the news stories....in firebird they are not centered on the darker blue background, rather off the the left hand side. If they really are centered for you then I guess there is a chance I have a setting mixed up. Keep me informed.

ghostVi · « **Reply #69 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:45:05 AM »

PaleZer0, here's a hint... you'll have problems with "html" or "dhtml" (whatever DHTML is supposed to mean...) site developement even between different IE version, not just mozzila, netscape, until you start validating them. Go there http://validator.w3.org/. If w3c sais it's not HTML than it is not (no matter if it starts with <html> and ends with </html>), and you can't expect it to work at all.

Even better - start using XHTML instead.

cheers!

Fammy2000 · « **Reply #70 on:** October 16, 2003, 05:46:15 AM »

I'm late to the game, but I'm a Firebird zealot.

As a web developer, I find if I develop to standards, my pages work in IE and Mozilla (and even Opera).
As a web developer, I find if I developer for IE, my pages rarely work correctly in Mozilla (and Opera).

Moral of my story: develop for standards. It's what the future is based on. If you code for IE only, then your page will work for IE only, and you cut out that many people. Same sorta goes for flash-only websites, but that's another thread.

And Grey Ninja forgot the second best feature of Mozilla/Firebird after pop-up blocking: ad blocking. Through the use of image blocking (right click on an ad, and if the server is something like ads.server.com, block it) and this CSS file on FloppyMoose.com, I rarely see an ad.

For the people that complain that Firebird doesn't display a certain page correctly, it's likely the fault of the developer who didn't spend the time to test it on other browsers.

Go ahead and stay with IE folks. When MS doesn't deliver an update and your browser is as functional as Netscape 4 is today, ha. I laugh at you. =)

If Firebird isn't your thing, check out Opera.

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #71 on:** October 17, 2003, 04:57:30 PM »

Okay, since there was a new version of Firebird released I decided to give it another shot. I've got a couple of questions though. First of all is there anyway to make Firebird highlight links I have already clicked on like IE does? I find this very useful for keeping track of links I've clicked on like when I'm browsing through the forums and other places.

Secondly is there anyway to make links that would normally open up in a new window open up in a tab instead? This is a nice little thing that Avant Browser does by default and while I didn't like it at first I soon realized it was much easier to deal with a tab being opened rather than a second window. I know there's an extension that forces links that would normally open in a second open in the first window instead but that's not what I want.

One last question is how exactly do you properly install the Java plug in for Firebird? I've downloaded and installed it but I don't think it went where it was supposed to because a lot of sites that use Java don't work properly. Oddly a lot of others do.

That's all I can think of for now.

DarkSloth · « **Reply #72 on:** October 17, 2003, 05:49:00 PM »

Whoa... Mozilla Firebird! When did that happen. Wasn't it just called mozilla?
Anyways, I use Opera. I really have no need to use IE anymore. With the pop up blocker i feel the love of the internet, instead of the vicious hate. The only reason i sometimes need to use IE is when flash is involved.

Regarding the web developing problems. When following the standards i never see any problems. Sure, sometimes tables look different, but i hardly use tables anyways. I think adopting the standards is probably the best thing i ever did for my website. It also made me feel more of a man. From the stats i get from my website, around 96% of people use IE. Thats around the same number that i've seen everywhere else. Thats pretty depressing.

PIAC · « **Reply #73 on:** October 17, 2003, 06:01:38 PM »

1) don't know, i would like to know how ever
2) if you have a third mouse button (ie scroll wheel that clicks) press that on a link and it opens in a tab
3) not sure of that either, some work for me some dont..

Gibdo Master · « **Reply #74 on:** October 17, 2003, 06:29:35 PM »

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2) if you have a third mouse button (ie scroll wheel that clicks) press that on a link and it opens in a tab

Okay, I should have elaborated on that one more. There are some links that you can't do the mouse wheel click thing to get the link to open in a tab. As an example go to www.metallica.com. When the page loads you should see a list of links at the top that read like this: News, Media, Band, Fanzone, Tour, Merchandise, Extras, Help. Move the mouse over one of those and a sub category will pop up. Try clicking your mouse wheel on one of the subcategories and it won't do anything. In Avant it automatically opens any link that would normally open in a second window in a tab instead. That's what I want.

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Author Topic: Why you should drop IE (Read 28163 times)