Topic: Zelda: Wind Waker was it a let down?

[Mumei]

Oh I loved it, I just think that it followed ALttP's storyline too closely.  It's okay if they are similar, because they are both Zelda games, but having the basic structure of the story be nearly identical was going a bit too far.

[Bill Aurion]

Oh, just so you know, Aonuma has said that OoT was MEANT to be similar to LttP...I see no wrong in mimicking a classic when it turned out so well...

[Mumei]

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Oh, just so you know, Aonuma has said that OoT was MEANT to be similar to LttP...I see no wrong in mimicking a classic when it turned out so well...

Would you mind pulling up the interview, or where that came from?  It isn't that I don't believe you, but I want to show it to someone >.>

[Smashman]

OoT WAS meant to be very similar to OoT- it was deliberate. It was supposed to be sort of a 3D version of LTTP, and I prefer OoT over LTTP by a hair.

Please, stop trying to undermine one of the greatest games.

[Bill Aurion]

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OoT WAS meant to be very similar to OoT

Oh...

[MysticGohan24]

lol, what a great Quote there Don't you mean " OOT was meant to be very similair to ALTTP- " ')  

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something for your thoughts  

[Mumei]

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OoT WAS meant to be very similar to OoT- it was deliberate. It was supposed to be sort of a 3D version of LTTP, and I prefer OoT over LTTP by a hair.

Please, stop trying to undermine one of the greatest games.

It being one of the greatest games is purely subjective.  There are many, many people who hate the game, yet love the other Zelda games - all I've said is that it has flaws that bring it down some, in my eyes.  How am I "undermining" the game?

And I didn't argue against OoT being intentionally similar to ALttP - I asked if you could find it so that I could show someone else.  I can't just tell them that some random person on the internet told me; that doesn't look credible at all.  So I'm asking for a quote or the interview, if you have it.

[SgtShiversBen]

The reason why I think that Wind Waker far surpasses Ocarnia is just that you finally get to fight Ganon (Ganondorf) hand to hand.  I like the ways that you fought him in all the others, but just finally being able to just kick his ass with your own little sword is the best....except when Zelda shoots you in the butt.

[Mumei]

I suppose that that could make you like it more - but far surpasses OoT, just because of a single swordfight ?

[Bill Aurion]

I put WW above OoT on my list due to my love of the WW final battle, but the two games are about equal in my esteem...

[Toadette]

I'd say WW is better because of the final battle also.  I also like it better because of all the mini sidequests.  I don't think OoT had many...I also happened to enjoy sailing from island to island.  A lot of people seem to complain about that but I think it's fun.

[Jale]

I think that WW was brilliant but would have been THOUSANDS of times better if there was more land and less water. That would make it the best game ever.

EVVVAAAARRRRR!

Think Golden Sun: THe lost age but with smaller continents and more islands in the middle sea.

[Link_Up]

Well, i'd say the Wind Waker gives a deeper look in the how and why of the things that happened in OoT (i especially loved Ganondorf little talk about his past on top of Ganon's Tower), and yes, getting to kick Ganondorf's butt is lol. But what i missed whas a challenge, you had to do your best to beat the guy in all the other Zelda's he was in (still got nightmares form the final Battle in AlttP ). I mean, losing 1, count 'em, 1 heart when Ganondorf strikes a blow? No way, he's the biggest bad ass baddie of them all. i say 3 to 5 hearts with every blow! And how about using different items during the battle? You used the Light Arrows yourself in OoT, and had to do a part of the final battle without the Master Sword (damn! I though when i saw that).

[Jale]

You think you had it tough. When I fought Ganon in OoT I ended up with no weapons left but a few deku nuts. I threw one and he just shook his head. I got down to the last one and I thought 'Oh what the heck', threw it at him and while he shook his head, killed him.

'ZZZZINNNNNGGG!' I though

[WesDawg]

Just wanted to put in my vote for WW as my favorite Zelda ever. I enjoyed OOT and LttP and stuff, but Wind Waker was immersive. Everything had emotion and reacted to the environment. All the charactors were different and had personality. I loved exploring and helping people out. It was like a little world.

That being said, I don't quite get the difficulty debate. The first Zelda is tough IMO. The second also seemed challenging when I was a kid. But since then they haven't really been about giving you a crazy challenge in the sense that games like Mega Man did. They're not about being hard IMO. I think a lot of people think that OOT was really tough because it was sorta their first Zelda game in a sense. I remember being confused and lost in the Water Temple, but never frustrated. I don't think I died in the whole thing. I battled Gannon for like an hour at the end of the game cause I was too dumb to switch back to the Master Sword. But the mere fact that I could run around him that long and not die says something about that battle not being that tough either.

[KDR_11k]

Ganondorf strikes pretty quickly in Wind Waker, letting him take 5 hearts per strike would mean he'd down you with one combo or something. (though I could swear he took two hearts per strike when I fought him... Yes I had problems with him since I never had any opportunity to practice the combat system before I got to him)

[Mumei]

And I'd rather have that difficulty.  What happened to Nintendo being able to make games that were at least somewhat challenging?  That weren't so easy that a 5 year old could beat them?

[Cube_King]

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And I'd rather have that difficulty.  What happened to Nintendo being able to make games that were at least somewhat challenging?  That weren't so easy that a 5 year old could beat them?

I agree on the whole difficulty flaw. I dont think I can remember just one time when I got stuck at a boss or got killed by enemies. The axe man in OOT took off four hearts when he hits you just once, in WW most of the enemies only took off 1/4 heart per hit. Ganondorf(2nd fight) was as challenging as Bowser in Mario Sunshine.

[mouse_clicker]

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And I'd rather have that difficulty. What happened to Nintendo being able to make games that were at least somewhat challenging? That weren't so easy that a 5 year old could beat them?

Mumei, you have a bad habit of exaggerating- yes, Wind waker was easier than the other Zelda games, but saying it wasn't even somewhat challenging and that a 5 year old could beat it is just flaunting your ignorance.

[DrZoidberg]

I beat games when I was 5.

[Caillan]

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Mumei, you have a bad habit of exaggerating- yes, Wind waker was easier than the other Zelda games, but saying it wasn't even somewhat challenging and that a 5 year old could beat it is just flaunting your ignorance.

Of course it could be. WW's dungeons were little more than a pretty-looking path with some token enemies and one main original puzzle on the side. If I could beat Sonic 2 for the SMS when I was 4, some kid can beat WW now. I'm playing through it with 3 hearts - well, trying to; it's hard to avoid them all with the mail and all - and it still hasn't really been that challenging yet.  

[KDR_11k]

I dunno, maybe I just can't handle the combat system, I have extreme problems with the Stalfoses in OOT. Ganondorf in WW wasn't as easy for me as other people say he is. aye I should try practicing the combat syste on weaker enemies instead of downing them in two seconds (I use the "the best defense is a good offense" method in most games)

[Caillan]

The comabt system is fairly easy. Just stay still, and the minute the stalfos lowers its guard to attck, jab. That's the most efficent way to do it. Once you've done it a few dozen times in the Shadow ttemple, it should come naturally and you'll kill them off in under 10 seconds.

I like the combat in WW, even if it's too easy most of the time. The parry option is maybe a little too much relied upon, but it's not done too badly. I also like the way they incorperated large-scale and spectactular fights into WW, they can be really fun. Most of all though, the way in which different items will affect different enimies adds a fair bit of depth that previously in the series just didn't exist. For example, you'll pick up some nice stuff with the grappling hook if you know where to use it, or the boomerang will do something logical but slightly unexpected. It's another form of exploration.

[ThePerm]

with wind waker i just wished there was more dungeons and ganon was a bit harder. Alot of the time of playing the game was time consuming fetch quests...which would have been better replaced by more dungeons.

[Smashman]

ThePerm- you have just read my mind (or my posts ).

I think you are all taking the "game's quality is purely subjective" a bit too far. Most people believe OoT to be superior to tWW, as that is just the way it is. Many believe the Zelda series has slipped considerably since OoT (IMO, the last truly great Zelda), to be released with MM, tWW, and many other little mini-Zelda games (all of which are not as good as the old, classic ones). They are rushing them, and releasing too many (like one a year). Nintendo needs to REALLY sit down and see if they can make a Zelda AT THE VERY LEAST comparable to OoT or LTTP (the two greats). MM and tWW, while good, just do not live up to these two games. I agree with most of what you all say about tWW, but I just believe you guys to be overrating the game.