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the official "if i was running nintendo" thread
« on: August 21, 2003, 11:09:56 AM »
it's no secret that nintendo is lagging behind the xbox in almost every region except for japan. this of course sucks and i wish i could do something about it, but alas i am just a lowly fanboy so i am relegated to set up a soapbox in a forum. anyway, i think it will be interesting to see some of the ideas you guys have floating around.. to get started here's a few of the things i would be doing to help improve nintendo's position current generation and otherwise:

- put connectivity on the backburner. not only has it failed to catch on, but it's very apparent to the general population that the idea is still under development. slip connectivity under the covers until such a time that an idea is developed that will truly blow people away and THEN reintroduce it. it's just too gimmicky right now.

- online. even though i personally have little or no interest in this aspect of console gaming, it's become clear that there is a pretty large market for it. since hosting servers would cost money and nintendo clearly does not want to charge money for people to play online games, the only solution would be to release server software alongside online games. it's safe to assume that anyone that has internet also has a computer. provide a means for people to start their own servers. the most nintendo would need to do is provide a central list of all active servers that people can try to connect to. this will encourage communities to bloom, and could be a temporary solution until a more solid online plan is formed.

- shinji mikami has stated he would like to work on a nintendo franchise. and even though it's in the very capable hands of retro, i can't help but feel that a shinji mikami developed 3rd person metroid game would kick some serious ass. the first person perspective probably put off a lot of metroid fans even though it was executed almost perfectly. a 3rd person perspective would have a broader appeal and almost guarantee more casual gamer interest.

- a grown up pokemon. the pokemon gameplay is tried and true. it's obvious that people still love the sons of bitches. however, the kids are growing up. as such a second line of pokemon games should come out with darker monster designs and a deeper storyline. while the cutesy pokemon continue to appease school children, the new pokemon will intrigue gamers that have always wondered why everyone loves the games so much, but were too afraid to check it out due to the kiddy nature of it.

- realistic link. as much as i love the cel-shaded link there is clearly a huge demand for a realistic link. nintendo would be wise to appease these rabid fans with what they've been hoping for since majora's mask. making it a launch title with the next nintendo console will almost ensure the system will have a quick start and an immediate impact in gamers' minds.

- zelda rpg. with square enix still unsure whether nintendo's home console is a viable platform to develop for, give them a huge license to play with that will almost guarantee huge sales by name association alone. the zelda universe is deep enough that square can craft a deep and involving storyline and maybe they would see fit to finally give link a voice as well. do away with the excessive cinematics and spoken dialogue and deliver a solid battle system and this game will fly off the shelves benefitting both square enix and nintendo. win win situation, and an investment worth making.

- mario's return to 2d. i don't care what you think of mario64 and mariosunshine. those are great games. however, we can all agree that the absolute best mario games have been 2D... the next mario game should return to the 2D plane even if it must use 3D graphics (think viewtiful joe) ... not only will this eliminate the need to program an intelligent camera (a major gripe with the 3d marios) but it will be a return to the series' roots which is something that many people would appreciate. making it a launch title for the next system alongside a realistic zelda will be a huge blow to the competition.

- hire a new graphic design team. the domestic box art for nintendo's games need work. box art should be eyecatching and stand out on the shelves. as it stands nintendo's games fade in alongside the mass of crappy 3rd party ports. they don't prompt people to pick up the box and check it out and thus there are fewer impulse buys by casual gamers.

- ENSURE multiplatform 3rd party titles have a little something extra for gamecube owners. in exchange nintendo should advertise these games for the 3rd party, STRESSING the console specific features... making it apparent that the nintendo version is the version to own. this will help 3rd party game sales on the gamecube, an area which is sorely lacking.

- develop new franchises that have a broader appeal. imagine a new nintendo platformer starring a spikey haired wolverine with a cocky smirk, an ever present scowl, fangs, and sharp claws tearing through an army of killer robotic monkeys... tell me that wouldn't be a good time. basically nintendo has gotten way too comfortable staying within the confines of their established franchises. time to push some boundaries!

i could probably think of a few more.. but uhh.. i should probably leave some room for other people's ideas.
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2003, 11:45:59 AM »
I know I'm way off topic but, snorgasmo, didn't you just finish a big rant about how PGC stinks now that Billy is gone and how you hate all the pop-ups, and how you're leaving because the admins didn't address your pop up concerns the way you wanted them to?  Why would you go through all the trouble of wading through the MASS popups to start a thread and spend all that time typing your thoughts if this place stinks and you are never coming back?

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2003, 12:10:26 PM »




If I ran nintendo......I'll do like "Nintendo,we publicity!!" Stupid companies always give away their GOOD games to that Flat piece of crap PS2 and the FAT xbox and not GC!!!! They always give nintendo their "kiddie" games,and I hate that!! Nintendo needs to rise up again!!!
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2003, 12:11:53 PM »




If I ran nintendo......I'll do like "Nintendo,we publicity!!" Stupid companies always give away their GOOD games to that Flat piece of crap PS2 and the FAT xbox and not GC!!!! They always give nintendo their "kiddie" games,and I hate that!! Nintendo needs to rise up again!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2003, 01:03:32 PM »
If I was running Nintendo I would
-create a few  franchises that would be rated M to get rid of kiddy image
-Keep connectivity,but let it give you  better things.
ex.-If you use connectivity during Zelda,you would be able to do things like breate underwater and fly with your boat.Because noboby wants to play as Tingle.
-Make the next console platinuim, not purple or black because black is being overused.
-Find a way for the next console to play mini-discs,while being able to play dvds&cds.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2003, 03:10:27 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2003, 05:03:35 PM »
You mentioned the GCN lagging behind the XBox in some markets but didn't even touch on why that's the case.
The GCN was practically tied with the XBox until the previous holiday season when it really fell behind because MS started giving away TWO free games with its console. A move which Nintendo did NOTHING to counter-attack. Not until AFTER the holiday season when it started giving away just ONE free game. MS simply gave consumers a much better deal and it worked.
If Nintendo had matched the offer and started giving away two free games last year, I'm confident the Gamecube would have beaten the XBox over the holiday season - at the very least, it almost certainly would have kept the XBox from gaining any kind of notable lead.

As for Europe. The GCN was actually doing a lot better than the XBox up until MS gave Europeans an even more generous bonus offer than the one in the US. Not only that but it made sure to get Splinter Cell out in time for Christmas while Nintendo's Metroid Prime was delayed into the new year.

Nintendo's main problem is it just hasn't been aggressive enough. It needs to match any of its competitors' offers and make sure it gets its games out as soon as possible to as many markets as possible.
Fortunately, Nintendo seems to have realized its mistakes. It's supposably making the very aggressive move of dropping the price of the GCN to a very competitive $99 later this year and most of the big holiday titles for the US are scheduled to make it to Europe before the end of the year too.


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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2003, 09:01:30 PM »
1. Give NOE a damn good kicking.

2. Organize a brainstorming session on the uses of connectivity. Though I doubt one could do much more with it than displaying individual data in multiplayer. Maybe coop games where the goals of the plyers conflict and you have to backstab your "friends" sometimes?

3. Less sequels, more new games. Probably with new franchises as well. Not M-rated, though. The rating says nothing about the maturity of a game (some Sailor Moon episodes are rated 18+ here!) and some markets are intolerant towards violent games (if I understood Miyamoto right, Japan doesn't like that...). Also, so far the only people I've seen wanting high ratings are the US citizens, it's a lot different in countries where the age minimums are actually enforced. Heck, I'm not even legally allowed to buy GTA3 here!

4. More RPGs. With RPGs you can rule Japan, which means more support from japanese developers and a good chance to convince other markets of the importance of your console.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2003, 11:25:07 PM »
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3. Less sequels, more new games. Probably with new franchises as well. Not M-rated, though. The rating says nothing about the maturity of a game (some Sailor Moon episodes are rated 18+ here!) and some markets are intolerant towards violent games (if I understood Miyamoto right, Japan doesn't like that...). Also, so far the only people I've seen wanting high ratings are the US citizens, it's a lot different in countries where the age minimums are actually enforced. Heck, I'm not even legally allowed to buy GTA3 here!


My thoughts exactly on what is one of Nintendo's main problems. Nearly every game people are excited about is a sequel of a well known franchise...zelda, star fox, donkey kong(a), the many many mario games. Pikmin was a good start, but it still has a very kiddyish type appeal to the general public. The Nintendo name alone will sell tons of copies to fans, just like the Square name does (even if the game is crap - Unlimited Saga). However, Nintendo has to look at some new ventures for games, like different styles of action, or something with more in depth multiplayer (much like super smash melee, not like mario party x).
       Now, first, the PS2 also has alot of sequels, although many of them have very distinct new gameplay features. MGS3 has jungles, a different main character and time setting, GT4 offers online, and things like that. SOCOM 2 and Jak 2 are also sequels, but keep in mind these franchises only began this generation. Jak & Dexter, Ratchet & Clank, these are new platforming franchises that many ppl have enjoyed immensly. Sony succeeded last generation with Crash Bandicoot as a platformers, but now they have new platformers, and are still succeeding
      Second, the Xbox seems to have the most new franchises that people are generally exciting about. While obviously Halo 2 is the biggest hit, it does offer online, which alone will be a huge selling point. However, the 'Box also has Fable, Sudeki, Crimson Skies(i know there's one on PC), Ninja Gaiden (hasn't been seen in a long time), BC, not to mention big name PC titles like Deus Ex 2, Half Life 2, and Doom 3. Xbox Live and XSN sports are also major innovations in the industry.

Nintendo also gets the short end of the stick, because not only have people been playing these popular franchises as of last generation, they've been playing them for 4 generations now. Nintendo's focus has always been on gameplay, rather than innovation, depending on well known franchises to sell. This is much like Blizzard in the PC world, but Blizzard will continue to succeed in that world because of the fact that the PC gaming market is shrinking, while the console market is becoming more competitive. If Nintendo, much like Blizzard, chose to create a new franchise, people would flock to it.

Geist seems to be a game worthy of such recognition, but from the vids, the graphics appear to be far below any other fps, and the primary concept is stolen from Messiah. Had Nintendo simply developed the game themselves, rather than handed it to some no name developer in Florida, people would be hyping this game so much more.
The only other games leading Nintendo's innovation table seem to be coming from Capcom, with Viewtiful Joe and
Killer 7 (PN03 is crap).

Depending on their franchises worked well for the SNES, not so well for N64, and has continued on the downward spiral for the GC. Unless Nintendo gets the innovation gears runnin, I predict the GC2 will be Ninty's last ditch effort at the home console world.

P.S. Online would be a good start too
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2003, 04:15:11 AM »
Well i dont know about gc2 being nintendos last efforts on the grounds that the Popularity of are strongest franchises are gonna drop quicker than the golden balls of Mr gates, but there is subtance in what your saying.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2003, 04:44:58 AM »
If I was running Nintendo I would simply release A huge MMORPG based on Pokemon as the next consoles launch title. It would have no monthly fees because in game advertising would pay for server maintenence. Now when you have free to play huge online 3d Pokemon game your going to sell large amounts of inventory.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2003, 07:03:36 AM »
If I would be running Nintendo, I would take that 6 billion and run like hell.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2003, 07:54:32 AM »
The first thing that I would do is fix public relations in the regions Nintendo is doing poorly in. NOE seems to incite the wrath of many fans, and Nintendo of Australia doesn't seem much better.

I also agree with Michael8983 that Nintendo has not been as responsive in the past to deals that Sony and MS had. Just because the machine is 50 dolloars less than the competition, that doesn't mean people are going to see more value in it. Nintendo missed an oppunity last last winter, and when the finally did a bundle it was rather half-assed. If I was running the show I would have given customers the choice of either two games or a game and the GB player. Fortunately, Nintendo can right that mistake by doing something similar this coming winter, especially witt he knock out line-up that on the horizon.

Like KDR_11k, I would also push for more experimental development. Nintendo has an image problem, and the best way for them to shake it is to widen or redefine that image. They need to push for more new experinces like Pikmin and Animal Crossing, or introduce stuff that the wider Nintendo audience may not know Nintendo created because they haven't touch that IP in awhile (Punchout for example) or it has remained in Japan till now (Wars series, Fire Emblem).

I don't think making a mature rated game will do much for them, and as a matter of fact it would probably backfire as diehard fans may feel Nintendo is chaning too much to pander to shallow tastes while other gamers might see the effort as weak cash-in from someone who has strongly fought against this trend of mature gaming. Besides, one never knows what the next big thing will be--before GTA3, Pokemon and similar pet games were the rage. Nintendo became the market leader because they purposely went against convention, but that is something that have kind of lost during this gen. Fortunately, Iwata and Miyamoto seem to sense that, so I think we will see greater changes leading up to the next console, which hopefully by then they will be fully prepared to shock and awe gamers with a much more diverse image.

 

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2003, 12:12:26 PM »
I think RA bicle has the best idea out of everyone's I've read.  
FREE MMO Pokemon = 2nd 6 billion dollar chest
If not pokemon, then a MMO Zelda/Mario/Star Fox etc.  Actually, I think a MMO FZero would be really cool.  You could design your own craft and have races, enter grand prix etc.  I think even an online Super Smash Bros. would be good enough to catapult their next system to the top.  On second thought, they'd need both a MMO game and SSB online.  Most importantly, make them FREE, and easy to get online.

Nintendo should also fire whoever their advertising agency is, and spend more money into getting their system seen everywhere.  If they did that, they should stress the FREE and easy to setup online system and games in all of their ads.  

Problem solved.

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2003, 12:14:38 PM »
I think RA bicle has the best idea out of everyone's I've read.  
FREE MMO Pokemon = 2nd 6 billion dollar chest
If not pokemon, then a MMO Zelda/Mario/Star Fox etc.  Actually, I think a MMO FZero would be really cool.  You could design your own craft and have races, enter grand prix etc.  I think even an online Super Smash Bros. would be good enough to catapult their next system to the top.  On second thought, they'd need both a MMO game and SSB online.  Most importantly, make them FREE, and easy to get online.

Nintendo should also fire whoever their advertising agency is, and spend more money into getting their system seen everywhere.  If they did that, they should stress the FREE and easy to setup online system and games in all of their ads.  

Problem solved.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2003, 12:23:58 PM »
i gather that we all tend to agree that nintendo has a huge image problem. it's basically keeping them from attaining true mainstream success. the problem we can guess is the games.

so how does nintendo continue to give loyal nintendo gamers what they want (established franchises) while diversifying their portfolio so that their "kiddy" games are dilluted a bit by other games? normally, third parties should help in this aspect, but we've learned that this simply isn't the case for nintendo consoles as third parties don't believe "mature" titles will sell well on the system or that the primary audience for gamecube are children.

so, i dunno what nintendo's new tokyo studio is responsible for, but nintendo definately needs to open a new in house development house or two that will specialize in crafting games that contrast their current "cartoony" style while keeping the same emphasis on gameplay... and i don't mean blood and guts and death and satan and shooting hookers, but definately ediger titles than what we've come to expect from nintendo. perhaps more story-oriented titles. some deep plotlines to compliment the fluff we're used to. basically i would have nintendo diversify it's inhouse portfolio. this is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said and i can't understand why nintendo hasn't acted on this, but it's important to keep the family friendly games, but also give something to those that want something MORE.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2003, 12:30:55 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2003, 01:47:10 PM »
I agree with Fish.

I hate threads like this.  You'll never be head of Nintendo, and if you were, you'd screw everything up and the company would go out of business.  So shut up.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2003, 02:01:20 PM »
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I agree with Fish.

I hate threads like this.  You'll never be head of Nintendo, and if you were, you'd screw everything up and the company would go out of business.  So shut up.


no one's forcing you to read this, tough guy... you can easily grunt and scratch your armpits somewhere else.

the idea is to hear what fellow nintendo fans want to see from the company. no one here is daydreaming about actually taking the reigns... i hope.

on that note, if i was running nintendo i would make the next system have divx movie playback. for what purpose, i will leave up to your imagination.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2003, 02:18:54 PM »
Yeah, that's right, I'm tough.  Gotta problem, fool?

No, you see my point is that you have no idea what you're talking about, so it's best not to talk about it.  If anyone has the right to run Nintendo, it's me

I don't mind you. . . there are plenty of people that start threads like, some of whom I enjoy talking to.  The threads are just pointless and annoying.
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2003, 05:12:57 PM »
I would tell people the thruth.

I would tell people things like the REAL reason Nintendo broke away from $ony when the were co-developing the ill-fated "Nintendo Playstation."  Nintendo learned that it's "partner" had a dirty trick up it's sleeve.  $ony, the electronics giant, was planning a hostile take over of Nintendo, using shares of stock that the company would acquire in the proposed partnership.  Nintendo would have nothing to do with this treachery, so they pulled out the day the system was to be announced.

I would tell people the only reason that $ony has ever had success is because it stole it's best ideas from Nintendo.
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2003, 05:14:36 AM »
Wow AgentSeven--I knew beforehand that Sony was planning to screw Nintendo with their add-on, but I had no idea Nintendo was that close to being taken over! The next time I hear or see someone write something about Nintendo making a mistake by dropping the Sony CD add-on, I'll fill them in on this dirtly little secret.

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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2003, 09:14:01 PM »
Urgh, nintendo  dropped Sony (sorry for not calling it "$ony"   I guess that makes me  a Ps2 fanboy)  because  Sony  would have been entitled to practically ALL of the profits from  the Playstation add on.   Basically,   Sony would have  been earning money  by  using Nintendo's platform to its advantage, while Nintendo got nothing.   THAT'S why nintendo dropped out.   Nintendo wanted more of the profits.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2003, 09:19:23 AM »
That's only part of the story. The REAL story was the hostile take over part.  That's the stuff you'll never read about in the kiddie mags like EGM, etc..

Get your facts straight.  I was there when this happened...Unfortunately I was working for the enemy at the time.  
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2003, 10:24:52 AM »
half a cup of its in the past get over it? the playstation happened, subsiquently the playstation 2 happened, if sony got so popular from stealing nintendo's ideas (yes i know they did steal some) then why arn't nintendo #1 now? sony took some ideas, added their own brand of ideas and now they have 40-50 million consoles out there. working for the 'enemy'? please..

i could sit here and bitch about how bill gates stole ideas from workbench and mac's os to make windows, but that wont really change the fact that yes windows is here and workbench is not.