Author Topic: New zelda... (Read 11602 times)

Luciferschild · « **on:** August 09, 2003, 09:08:53 PM »

The new zelda will be cute and cell shaded according to a recent interview...............KILL ME NOW. Of course I pretty much expected this. Don't want to scare off the 3 year old gamers, nintendo's target audience. I know you all claim to like ww but I hated it. Why would somebody hate a video game? If you don't like it don't play it...right? Expectations my dear watson, expectations.

jmoe316 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2003, 09:26:01 PM »

i hate when people dismiss a game on graphics. I enjoyed Wind Waker all the way through, not because of cel-shaded graphics, but because the gameplay was great and it was a pretty huge world, which i ahve to admit when reading about it sounded great, but then with playing it and seeing 2/3 of the islands took 10 steps to get across i was a wee bit dissapointed. But hey, the game was still a great Zelda masterpiece. If you like graphic whores, go play RE or get an x-box. With X-Box you get that great graphics you crave and the lack of gameplay it seems you want. Sorry, this probably sounds like i am hounding on you, i am just directing this to the general population that share your thoughts.

PIAC · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:08:46 PM »

hound on, dont like the graphics? then dont play it, simple as that, the fact that YOU dont like them wont change squat,
1) the wind waker looked beautiful
2) why waste that engine when it can be put to use in yet another stunning game
3) scared that your cool friends wont think your cool if your caught playing the wind waker? well then grow up.
4) do i come and complain when for example Resident Evil is too scary? no! i just dont play the damn game
5) Nintendo in house games usually look welcome and inviting to all ages, why decide you hate that all of a sudden?
6) ITS A GAME, NOT SOMETHING THAT EFFECTS YOUR MAN HOOD!

*continues playing wind waker on homo-erotic purple cube*

sorry to get angry, but im so sick of this arguement, we all went through it when the wind waker was first shown, and now there is a direct sequel announced i DEFINATLY DO NOT want to go through it all over again

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:13:05 PM »

I also had high hopes when I read about the massive world with islands. Of course I thought, hey, the islands themselves have to be huge to right? Nope, and there went my high hopes. I was still very pleased with the game, and played it twice already. The second time I had a 10.2 (10 speakers, 2 subwoffers, 2 recievers) surround sound system hooked up.........I was in bliss. My favorite Nintendo game thus far.

Anyways, all I hope they fix is the town size. I want huge areas to explore, you know, something so big that it makes little old link feel insignificant. I geuss the overworld was incredibly vast, but most of the time I was just waiting to arrive on a puny island.

Oh, I almost forgot, they should have a mix between styles of overworlds. Such as half ocean and half land, and when your on land you ride a horse or something.

PIAC · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:15:17 PM »

yeah, bigger towns would have been nicer, and a few more temples/dungeons, but on the whole the game was spectacular.

jmoe316 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:23:08 PM »

Here's an idea:

Everyone's been wanting the original Legend of Zelda that debuted on the NES. It is hidden away in Animal Crossing and i don't think it has been revealed how to achieve it yet, besides using Action Reply. So here is the idea. Say for a hidden item, maybe you get after doing a long side quest such as collecting all the treasure maps in WW for example. So after you complete this long quest you get the secret package. You have to take it back to your own house to open it, and SURPRISE, it's a NES with Legend of Zelda inside. With AC, it seems Nintendo doesn't mind giving this game away, and this would be such a huge selling point for the game!! I'd definately buy it just for that!! it would be like buying Legend of Zelda with Wind Waker 2 as a bonus game

Who's with me?

Hybrid Hunter · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2003, 01:08:47 AM »

I wouldn't mind WW 2 having nes version of zelda hidden inside.
I look forward to what this Zelda has installed, also didn't Miyamoto say Link would look different?

joshnickerson · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:25:49 AM »

Hmmm, my thinking is that since it will probably take place a couple of years after Wind Waker, Link might look a little older?
*******POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!!!*****

I'm also thinking the sequel will take place in the "New Hyrule" they set out to find at the end of WW...

Mario · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:41:27 AM »

Yeah i think so too joshnickerson, that makes alot of sense. Also i wouldnt mind seeing the Skull Kid and maybe teh postman.... somehow in the next game

Raijin Z · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2003, 08:57:04 AM »

I can't believe how many anime fans hate the current Zelda style...

Zach · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2003, 10:53:00 AM »

personally I could go either way with the new Zelda style, but it was a very good all around game and I dont care what anybody else thinks about it. If your going to bash the game on these forums at least put it in the Hylian legends forum, I hope the mods delete this soon

Luciferschild · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2003, 12:00:27 PM »

Sorry I had to dig this whole thing back up again but the only reason I did was to express my distain for them keeping the ww style. I'm pretty much over it, there are a lot of other good games on the cube. Zelda is dead to me. Not to get off topic but I played that gta game at my cousin's house and I wasn't that impressed...so now I'm really glad I got a gamecube. I can't wait til my cousin comes over here and plays my games and sees what he's missing. Maybe he'll regret ditching nintendo, or maybe not. I don't care what you call me but please don't call me a graphics whore. I am so far from that it's not even funny. One of my favorite gc games is capcom vs. snk2, not exactly modern graphics but it has great gameplay, I love it.

ThePerm · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2003, 03:01:29 PM »

kiddie...sunshine and zelda are to hard for the kiddies

The Omen · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2003, 03:18:04 PM »

I dont think Zelda is too hard for kids, but sunshine probably is. That being said, i enjoyed WW from beginning to end, and never had any problems with the graphics...a lot of the time, i just was looking around through my scope, checking out the nice scenery. I really took my time with it, which seemed to help the 'its too easy 'complaint that i had initially. Its probably my 2nd favorite Zelda. OOT is 1, with WW and ALTTP being tied for 2nd.

If you want them to go back to the 'realistic' style, then you won't see Zelda for 3 years, and i dont want to wait that long.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:07:25 PM »

Well, I liked the cel-shaded graphics, I liked the gameplay, so I can't say much to this. But you should at least try the next Zelda, rent it maybe. It may not have the graphics you like, but it could appeal to you more gameplay-wise. I know I'm getting it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:22:01 PM »

Three questions to Lucifer:

1) How old are you?
2) How long have you been gaming?
3) What genres do you prefer?

I was just curious because an older, more experienced gamer seems to act more mature about topics such as this one. It absolutely sickens me that people such as yourself actually take the time to come online and ***** about things noone really cares about. And you still haven't given any real reason why you dislike WW, besides the graphical style that is.

mojorizin · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:36:03 PM »

N can cel-shade all they want this time around. I would imagine (and am hopefully correct) that with the graphics and game engine all in place from WW, this will lead to having more development time for the dungeons and other places of note. The time spent sailing likely wouldn't have seemed as bad with those 2 dungeons left out of WW. That was one of the things that made OoT so special; the idea that you've finished 4 dungeons and say "I've got HOW MANY more to go?" - and knowing each one would be brilliant.

Cap · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:42:12 PM »

we probably wouldnt even be getting another zelda game at all for the gc if they didnt reuse the same game engine, so i dont know what there is to complain about. i thought the wind waker was great in every way, graphics included. the only real problem i had was how easy the game was, so i hope they fix that for the sequal.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2003, 04:53:04 PM »

The problem with increasing the difficulty is that Japanese gamers like easy games. In fact, if a game is too hard, reviewers will lower the score. Just look at Famitsu. Games like SMS and FZero have gotten lower scores because of their increased difficulty. Ninty, as well as other Japanese developers, have a hard time finding a middle ground that will satisfy both Japanese, as well as American, gamers.

PIAC · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2003, 05:18:41 PM »

i was going to suggest a 'hard mode' but in a game like zelda i don't know if that would be possible without unballenceing it or something, but it is allways a possibility.. OoT was the right level of difficulty i think, is it just me or did MM seem harder than OoT?

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Of course I pretty much expected this. Don't want to scare off the 3 year old gamers, nintendo's target audience.

that doesn't sound much like someone who is a nintendo fan, a cheep shot at the company along the lines of a rival console fanboy's usual arguements.

totally unnesessary

joshnickerson · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2003, 05:43:57 PM »

The difficulty setting could be addressed if they added an actual second quest (changing the wardrobe and giving you a certain item at the start isn't really a second quest to me), that re-arranged some of the dungeons and made the enemies more aggressive. Something similar to Ocarina of Time: Master Quest, which was very satisfying to me after playing through OoT several time on the N64. Or, if gamers wanted to take it into their own hands, don't collect Heart Containers or keep Fairies with you. That should amp up the difficulty for you.
Oh, and a note of interest, every gamer I know my age, even the Xbox crazy ones, think The Wind Waker is excellent. The only ones that spout out disdain are the little 10 year olds who think Turok Evolution is the greatest game evar.

Nintendomojo · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2003, 06:31:38 PM »

Personally, I'd love to see a new Zelda game that is similar to the SNES one in gameplay. A top-down perspective, with the camera not fixed on Link. I think that they could modify the WW engine to fix the camera angle like that. I would also expect tons of dungeons, temples, and secret areas. As far as the storyline, I'm not sure that Link would be fighting Ganondorf anymore, but having him just fight other evils in the land and performing quests in a huge, vast overworld. Also, what would be cool for that game would be having Hyrule, a Great Sea, Koholint island (from GB), and the place where link goes to in MM (never played it) all be in the same world to allow for a big diversity. Link would have to travel by horse and by boat. Oh, and do not forget the cool sidescrolling areas from the original Zelda and Zelda GB. Basically it's back to old-school Zelda with that difficulty but with WW graphics. Sort of like Yoshi's Island for N64.

Don'tHate742 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2003, 08:23:58 PM »

I think Nintendo will switch styles when the technology is provided..............

The NES graphics were all they could come with, then came the SNES which made it more bright and colorful. The N64 allowed 3-D graphics, so they used that style. Then came the GC which allowed for remarkably beautiful cel-shaded style. I wonder what they'll do with the next console. Maybe they'll try the dark realistic zelda that everyone seemed to be pleased with at SpaceWorld.

Personally I would rather have them take another crack at the cel-shading. So when they draw it up, it can actually look like the manual art and book art. That would be sweet.

Ness_the_Mess · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2003, 08:30:44 PM »

It has always been my opinion that if Nintendo could have made Ocarina of Time cel-shaded, they would have. Although an awesome game, the graphics didn't quite stay true to its two-dimensional predecessors. I don't say this because it was 3d - no, not at all - I say this because the graphical stlye changed. I suppose if you want to reffer to it as 'cartoony,' you can go ahead and say that. However, cartoony or not, Wind-Waker stayed more true to the series as a whole.

Now, as to the 'new Hyrule,' I have a thought on that as well. In my opinion, Wind Waker was just a continuation of the future in OoT. You see, when time travel occurs, new continueum are formed. These must be caused because all time happens at the same time. So, when Link defeated Gannon while he was a late-teen, that continueum contined. However, that continueum was continued in the form of Wind Waker. In the history of WW, they say that the hero left the plane entirely, and that is because Link went back in time. Many people asume that when the history says that, it is reffering to Majora's Mask, but in MM Link comes back.

So, Wind Waker continued the continueum where Gannon was semi-defeated. Does anyone else recall that at the end of WW, it says 'The Legend of Zelda The End'? It didn't bother saying Wind Waker in there. That is because that is where the Legend of Zelda stops. At least, in that continueum. Now, they can continue the continueum where Link was just a child, and met Zelda at the end of OoT. Since Gannon was banished into a temporal plane, it removed him from all time, past and present, and so he was no longer in that continueum. Thus, a new story starting at the beginning of OoT, without Gannon.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2003, 08:31:53 PM »

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Originally posted by: PIAC
4) do i come and complain when for example Resident Evil is too scary? no! i just dont play the damn game

Since when has PIAC, the scared little wuss, ever played a scary game? You're barely through ED and you're pissing youself already!!!

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