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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2014, 05:11:53 PM »
That's because they are well designed board games. But its a shame that only the iPad version looks playable. For some reason Ticket to Ride is two different apps for Europe/USA on the phone. The physical limitations of the phone is going to put me off even trying to play games. If I was using an iPad maybe, but I really don't need or want an iPad.

I can also see why Nintendo went with a resistive screen on the WiiU/3DS - Its a lot more responsive and harder to fuckup an input. Use a stylus, both the response and accuracy gets even better.
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2014, 05:30:09 PM »
I can also see why Nintendo went with a resistive screen on the WiiU/3DS - Its a lot more responsive and harder to fuckup an input. Use a stylus, both the response and accuracy gets even better.

Let's not kid ourselves; Nintendo chose resistive touch screens because they're cheaper and require the least amount of effort in terms of compatibility with their older hardware. But like with load times on the N64, there are beneficial side-effects to Nintendo's short-sighted, self-serving decisions.
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2014, 10:27:04 PM »
You're a short-sighted self-serving decision!

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« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2014, 11:17:04 PM »
And proud of it.

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« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2014, 11:27:55 PM »
Is your hardware also extremely underpowered compared to its competition?

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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2014, 11:37:01 PM »
And proud of it.

EDIT: All my hardware is proprietary and both highly exclusive and extremely expensive, if you know what I mean.

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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #81 on: August 17, 2014, 01:44:20 AM »
I started doing some Android gaming myself lately after recently upgrading my phone as well (to a OnePlusOne, if you're curious). While I can vouch for some genuinely good games on the Play Store like Deus Ex: The Fall; Dead Space (mobile); Hitman Go; and Angry Birds Epic (all of which are devoid of pushy in-app purchases, at least compared to the likes of Candy Crush), it feels like 99.9% of the games on the series are either reskins of the EXACT same "Match 3" sliding tile game...or badly-converted ports of console experiences.  While I feel that Nintendo is going to have to support the mobile platform going forward, I honestly don't know what they could do to stand out in a market so utterly devoid of quality experiences. Having experience with the platform has certainly changed my view of the viability of that market.
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #82 on: August 17, 2014, 02:30:48 PM »
You're a short-sighted self-serving decision!
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2014, 02:46:49 PM »
Is your hardware also extremely underpowered compared to its competition?

Sometimes, but I make up for that with creative new input methods.
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« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2014, 03:00:20 PM »
Is your hardware also extremely underpowered compared to its competition?

Sometimes, but I make up for that with creative new input methods.


Some women might call that a "gimmick". ;)

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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2014, 03:07:11 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2014, 03:13:28 PM »
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2014, 05:17:52 PM »
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« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2014, 10:35:19 PM »
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2014, 10:55:04 PM »
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2014, 01:38:09 PM »
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The vagueness of the controls would automatically send the control centric Nintendo packing. The games mostly don't take into account differing screens shapes an resolutions resulting in unusable UI.

I've been trying to think of a really good term to describe the flaws of Iwata-era Nintendo's approach to controls and "vagueness" is perfect.  Ironic that you used it in an argument praising Nintendo's controls.  The second Nintendo grafted wonky touchscreen and motion controls to their systems they ceased to give the slightest **** about decent controls.  A controller is seen as a marketing gimmick first, useful tool second.  The limits of smartphone controls is not going factor into Nintendo's decision.  This is the company that released outright trash like DK Barrel Blast.  Quality control will not matter.  They will make this decision based purely on its financial potential.

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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #92 on: August 18, 2014, 02:13:59 PM »
Experimental is what I would use for Nintendo. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Vagueness is a factor in it's non-core titles. But look at the mainline Mario games, Pikmin or Mario Kart, the controls in those games are tight. That said, I have every form of control for the WiiU for those core games, so I can pick and chose what is better for me within reason. Those extra controls or what you call gimmicks give options for me and developers.

It's a shame Nintendo doesn't have more support, but things can't go your way all the time. One last interesting titbit, I never owned a Wii. Good figure.
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« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2014, 02:42:53 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: August 18, 2014, 06:30:55 PM »
I think you are losing it. Vagueness is not at all how I'd describe the controls in the Iwata era. Oohboy is probably right with experimentation.

To me, the Iwata era is Nintendo trying to move past button inputs to discover new control methods that might spur game development into a new direction. You had the bongos and microphone GC additions in the later GC era. The DS with its ideas of touch screen, duel screen, microphone input. The Wii with Motion control, the balance board, the updated zap gun. Although not from Nintendo, Guitar Hero and Rockband were able to benefit from this new game control experimentation that was going on. The Zelda games on the DS could have been done with button controls but they tried to experiment with a new control scheme by using the touch screen. Kirby had Canvas Curse. We saw Wii Sports, Wii Music, converting GC games to have Motion controls like Pikmin, Mario Power Tennis or Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat. This testing of new ways to play.

Maybe some of these things should have stayed experimental instead of being released but I think part of it was that Nintendo may have been unsure what the new audience would like or how they'd respond to such new ways to play and so they wanted to get the public's reaction. Even mixing motion controls with button controls was a new form of control. With this change in user input methods, I think Nintendo became unsure of what might be considered good or bad since it was new and unproven. Plus, the danger is that a program/software designer knows how their product should work or how they would use it but a new user can have totally different expectations and do things the designer would never have thought of. That's why there's debuggin and testing of programs and software before they are released. It could be the same with Nintendo where the designers could use these new input methods well or expected users to follow their expectation of how they would be used and it turned out to be totally different when actually released.

While this experimentation does seem to have toned down, it hasn't fully gone away. However, I see Nintendo trying to build on this past decade of ideas now and getting better at knowing what is working and what isn't. There wasn't much change in the 3DS from the DS and the Wii U is a furthing of the DS ideas along with Wii. This may also have something to do with developers and designers in Nintendo now being raised and trained on creating games with these input methods as well than older traditional button models. Hence why there was the "Mario Design School" we heard about with the release of all the New Super Mario Bros. games. While this experimentation can have a great impact when done right as shown by the DS and Wii juggernaut as well as the Guitar Hero/Rock Band impact that happened for a couple years, it can also be a great danger when it doesn't take off and can make a consumer wary when they are no longer sure what they may be getting or will be offered by allowing experimentation to run free.

There are some people who can go to a restaurant and continually try different items on the menu and some who will go and get the same thing over and over because they like it. I'd say the Iwata era is focusing more on the former and lesser on the latter and that may actually be a big part of the whole core vs casual gamer issue that arose in the Wii era than just what franchises or games were released. Look at what people consider core games, EA sports games like Madden, Fifa or NHL, Call of Duty, Halo, and others. They are games with very few changes in gameplay or style. Call of Duty could be considered an exception with it going from a WW2 shooter to Modern Day but since that change, it looks to have stayed pretty consistent from game to game but I've never played any so I'm just surmising. Still, that is the impression of core games on other systems.

You get to Nintendo where people consider core games to be Mario and Zelda and yet look at how much they will change things up on those titles. We've gone from Sunshine to Galaxy to 3D World and they are all different styles and changes in control methods. You could argue it is the same basic formula or core mechanic of running and jumping to the goal but compared to other systems, these are changes with varying responses by players to them. Zelda has gone from Twilight Princess (which I played on GC so I consider it traditional controls) to DS games and then Skyward Sword to more traditional with 3DS to who knows what now. You could call F-Zero a core title in that it has a great barrior to entry compared to Mario Kart, is more difficult and so is thus suited towards a regular gamer than one dabbles occasionally. Yet, Nintendo is reluctant to make another one unless they can find some new mechanic for it. Yet, Madden gets games released over and over, Call of Duty has games released over and over without trying to come up with new gameplay mechanics. F-Zero fans aren't asking for new mechanics. They'll take the same mechanics. They just want new tracks. Something that will test their racing skills. Although it could just be a way of deflecting that the series doesn't sell well and the Wii U userbase is too low to make an entry for it. Yet, Star Fox is finally getting a new entry because there is a new control method to be used for it. One of the odd exceptions is the New Super Mario Bros. series which has been blasted as being the same over and over. Yet, while it may be criticised for doing little to innovate, sales for it show that many gamers are happy to have the same old over and over.

Anyways, I've ranted on long enough. I was hit with inspiration and now I'm not sure I've made as definitive a point or statement as what seemed to occur to me so I'll leave it to others to pick over the pieces and figure out if there is anything worth following up on.
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #95 on: August 18, 2014, 07:36:55 PM »
If you've got a problem with the Funhouse then I've got a problem with you.
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The problem is that the Funhouse isn't funny anymore, and so people are making jokes in other threads instead, like this one. So it seems people might be unhappy with the Funhouse, and therefore the rumor started.

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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2014, 08:04:33 PM »
It's a tendoboy thread. Who cares if this one gets derailed, he'll make 6 more of them tomorrow anyways.

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« Reply #97 on: August 21, 2014, 02:52:13 PM »
I like that Nintendo experiments with controls but I don't like that they can't keep the traditional as the core and release these others as add-ons like they used to.
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« Reply #98 on: August 21, 2014, 02:56:24 PM »
The Wii U GamePad *is* a traditional controller. It has extra stuff like the touch screen but devs don't need to use it. The only Nintendo system to experiment at the expense of traditional controls was the Wii; DS, 3DS and Wii U include both.
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Re: RUMOR: Nintendo management unhappy with Iwata
« Reply #99 on: August 21, 2014, 03:16:39 PM »
And maybe N64?