Author Topic: sigh GameCube finally hacked. (Read 17839 times)

Grey Ninja · « **on:** June 16, 2003, 08:17:38 AM »

Well, the GameCube had a good run didn't it? A year and a half without anyone being able to read the games reliably with an optical medium is quite an achievement. Nintendo should be proud.

I saw this one coming though. A freeware GCN dev kit was released recently, and someone had managed to get homebrew code running on a GameCube, although nobody is talking about HOW it was done yet. Supposedly though, I will need to buy a broadband adaptor soon.

The problem is that with every good comes the bad. Piracy is finally going to rear it's ugly head on the GameCube. It will sell lots more consoles I am sure, but I am afraid that in many 3rd world countries, this is going to be like opening the flood gates.

Anyways, I trust that you all will continue to buy your games legally?

PS: Forgot the link

Uglydot · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2003, 08:29:20 AM »

Was a good run, at least it wasn't like the DC. Hopefuly the GCN is harder than that.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #2 on:** June 16, 2003, 08:38:44 AM »

Well I'm not going to be too worried...yet. Piracy is a problem on any console. The real issue is how easy it is to do. I believe people can pirate PS2 and Xbox games but it's not a problem to the point that either system is in trouble. With the PSX and Dreamcast you often knew people that didn't own ANY non-pirated games. I haven't seen that with any of the current systems so I don't think it will be too much of a problem. According to the source they haven't even been able to make the games playable on the Cube yet.

It will probably be a problem in some other countries but usually in those countries Nintendo doesn't sell many games in the first place so it's not like lost revenue or anything. Nintendo really only loses money if piracy becomes a big deal in the major markets like America, Europe or Japan.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #3 on:** June 16, 2003, 08:42:14 AM »

I doubt it will really become that big in the US, as a lot of people don't have DVD burners, and a 94MB CD wouldn't hold that much of a game. But piracy in any form bothers me. The GameCube is "pure" at the moment, and it's about to become tainted.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2003, 09:02:05 AM »

I'll still buy my stuff legally, of course. I'll give Nintendo all the profit that I can handle.

OsonCubed320 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 16, 2003, 09:09:56 AM »

I agree, though Nintendo makes me go nearly bankrupt with me buyin so many of their games I have never, and will never make Piracy. Even if it was as simple as just magically burning a full gamecube game onto a normal cd and just sticking it in (wouldn't really fit now would it?) I wouldn't do it. But I will sure as hell do it to the Music Business! They overcharge way too much!

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #6 on:** June 16, 2003, 09:14:18 AM »

This is a non issue IMO.
Unlike stealing music, stealing console games is a much more difficult process, too difficult and or bothersome for the average consumer to bother with.
At ht e end of the day I could care less either way as it really doesnt affect me.

JB · « **Reply #7 on:** June 16, 2003, 09:35:13 AM »

In Europe DVD-burners are starting to get very cheap. A friend of mine bought one last week after one of the NEC burners dropped 30 Euro's in price in a matter of days.

Kyosho · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2003, 10:02:51 AM »

I feel pirating is a small minority in every console. Only few who know how to do it will do it. Reason being, the average consumer doesn't understand how to burn these things and such. The numbers are not *overly* significant.

Look at Ps2 and Xbox piracy. Ps2 games need a DVD burner which most people do not have. Xbox on the other hand is basically a PC so you can buy another hard drive and store all the games on it. However, this comes at a price, risk, and hassle which I think most people are not willing to take.

If this piracy falls through, I'll still be a strong supporter of Nintendo (part of the reason is cuz I want the box

).

Ninja X · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2003, 10:03:18 AM »

Piracy has not hit any system big-time to do serious damage. I doubt the same will occur to the GCN.

ReallyScrued · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2003, 11:01:15 AM »

you people are being wayyyyyyyy to positive of this. 50% of all xboxes have owners who added a hard drive for copying games for. starcube is being smart by not letting this out. REmeber the DC? piracy never hurt a system? plz. if this goes out, all gamecube games the very next day will sky rocket to 50 dollors, i mean EVERY game. they not gonna sell any games then it gonna fall so bad they wont make any profit, then the fate of the DC comes to mind. Sony has a market of all electronics, they can survive, microsoft can lose money for 100 years and still not go bankrupt, but i hate to say it, SEGA and Nintendo dont have enough money for this to happen to them. THIS SUX I WANT NINTENDO TO LIVE. this really isnt funny, look at all the possibilities, all of a sudden kazaa has GAMECUBE ISO'S all over it. IF SOMEONE CAN DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND PUT IT ON A CD, THEN U CAN DOWNLOAD AN ISO AND PLAY IT. provided u connected the gamecube up to ur computer and tinkered with the BIOS. it gonna be ez enough for people to want to learn to save enough on a game. im out, sry for being so negative, but gotta admit, this is not good......RIP SEGA

JB · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2003, 11:37:12 AM »

I wouldn't worry too much about it, the GBA pirate scene is huge and people are still buying enough GBA games.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2003, 11:59:47 AM »

Wait a minute. GameCube has NOT been hacked. All these guys did was to dump the information from a disc. You can't burn the data to a disc, and you can't play it on any GameCube machine. I would post a link providing proof to this, but unfortunately, my info comes from a very respectible Warez Source.

By the way, just in case you were wondering, I do not condone Video Game Piracy in any way. It destroys the industry.

So, again, GameCube HAS NOT BEEN HACKED. They just dumped some data from a disc, thats all. Nothing even remotely playable, and according to the guys who did the dump, it wont be playable anytime soon.

Frodo Fett · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2003, 12:13:28 PM »

Of course I'll be my stuff legally. Heck, I don't even buy used games any more so Nintendo can get the profit.

AERO · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2003, 12:34:59 PM »

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you people are being wayyyyyyyy to positive of this. 50% of all xboxes have owners who added a hard drive for copying games for. starcube is being smart by not letting this out. REmeber the DC? piracy never hurt a system? plz.

1. 50% is waaay off. Generously, I would say no more then 15-20%. Did you decide to make this up for shock factor?

2. I think people did remember the dc. It has already been brought up. Have you read this topic?

CHEN · « **Reply #15 on:** June 16, 2003, 12:51:18 PM »

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Originally posted by: ReallyScrued
Sony has a market of all electronics, they can survive, microsoft can lose money for 100 years and still not go bankrupt, but i hate to say it, SEGA and Nintendo dont have enough money for this to happen to them. THIS SUX I WANT NINTENDO TO LIVE. this really isnt funny, look at all the possibilities, all of a sudden kazaa has GAMECUBE ISO'S all over it. IF SOMEONE CAN DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND PUT IT ON A CD, THEN U CAN DOWNLOAD AN ISO AND PLAY IT. provided u connected the gamecube up to ur computer and tinkered with the BIOS. it gonna be ez enough for people to want to learn to save enough on a game. im out, sry for being so negative, but gotta admit, this is not good......RIP SEGA

You're way exaggerating, although M$ has a lot of money, it's still a company. And I don't think it's even possible what you've just said. Nintendo is the only manufacturer of the GC disc and it will stay that way until at least the end of the GC2 which is rumoured to also use these discs.

If ,and that's a big if, you can download data from the internet, it would take VERY long, I don't think people are willing to do it.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #16 on:** June 16, 2003, 12:59:41 PM »

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Originally posted by: AgentSeven
Wait a minute. GameCube has NOT been hacked. All these guys did was to dump the information from a disc. You can't burn the data to a disc, and you can't play it on any GameCube machine. I would post a link providing proof to this, but unfortunately, my info comes from a very respectible Warez Source.

By the way, just in case you were wondering, I do not condone Video Game Piracy in any way. It destroys the industry.

So, again, GameCube HAS NOT BEEN HACKED. They just dumped some data from a disc, thats all. Nothing even remotely playable, and according to the guys who did the dump, it wont be playable anytime soon.

Here's what I know about it.

Readable data from a GOD has been extracted. Proof is no further than looking up the Ocarina of Time: Master Quest ROM for N64. The ROM came from the GameCube disc. This news just confirms it. The ISO for Wind Waker is floating around out there somewhere, but I can't be arsed to find it to be perfectly honest.

Nobody has yet found a way to force the GameCube to play a backup. However, small bits of homebrew code have been successfully run on the GameCube using a trick on PSO.

At this point, the groundwork for making GCN backups playable is done. At this point, it's just a matter of dissassembling the code, and figuring out how it all works until a magic "key" is found. When that time comes, a GameCube modchip is released, and all the 3rd world countries start selling DVDRs in stores with GameCube game burnt on them.

The GameCube itself might still be hack free, but the discs have been broken.

Round Eye · « **Reply #17 on:** June 16, 2003, 01:48:26 PM »

Does'nt Nintendo's disc have an optical protection system? You can see it on the inner ring, it looks like a circle with rainbow colors on it. The hackers would have to find some way around this, I am thinking that can not be an easy task. It is also the reason these discs are not playable.

Arrrrhhh... Pass me another cabin boy, this one is torn.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2003, 02:20:46 PM »

I think that's the part they got through.

My friend has an Xbox with an 80GB HDD. HE stores all the games there: the ones he owns, the ones he burned, and the ones he rented from the video store and friends.
On the flip side, he's a rich bugger, and his Dad is stupidly impulsive, and only buys the latest things "cause I can afford to". They moved to Melbourne last year, but then moved back to Sydney simply cause it was too cold.
My uncle (him and my friend's dad are good friends) is also stupidly impulsive. He bought 2 DVD players "cause they were on 'sale', but don't tell the wife", and he's go a 1.2meter rear projection TV, as well as those large cinema-style projector TVs both in the same room. The two of them compete with each other. When one gets the latest thing, the other gets the next latest thing (technology being so fast and all). My uncle got the Nokia with the Camera built in, but then ditched it a week later to get the smaller model with a built in camera. Now he's gonna ditch that to get one of those video mobile phones.
Impulsive?
Stupidly.
Xbox piracy?
Stupid.
Gamecube Piracy?
Don't concern me. GC doesn't have a HDD, nor does it have such large capacity memory cards that you can put whole games onto it.
I think it totally sux how most people don't buy GC cause you can't pirate the games.
PS2 is cool cause it's got 'cool' games, but also cause you can get heaps of games by piracy.
It's not as much as the PSX, but it's still piracy.

Sorry for the rant.
Piracy in consoles pisses me off so much.
I copy PC programs that are extremely high-priced, like Office, and music that I can't get in the stores, like my recent addition, the Spirited Away OST, which I would have had to import.

Nintega · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2003, 02:29:38 PM »

I think the Gamecube's laser can't read DVD and if I'm correct GODS are not DVD, they just have the capacity of a mini-DVD. So even though the games can be read and dumped, you'd have to do a lot of modification to the GCN just to play a pirated game. Not worth it IMO.

AgentSeven · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2003, 02:38:50 PM »

Ok, I'm going to have to come clean here. I actually downloaded the supposed "Wind Waker" ISO. All I can say is that the GameCube is NOT hacked, and this, so-called "ISO" isn't even remotely in an sort of playable form. This is all a big joke. Anybody wanting to destroy the idustry by pirating GameCube, is going to have wait a looooonng time.

I can't link you to the site where I go the, so-called "ISO", but if you go to a web site called NFOforce, you can read the release information reguarding these fraudulent ISO's.

By the way, pirates are scumbags. Seriously, I only downloaded the ISO because I wanted to see what the truth was concerning the whole "gamecube has been cracked b.s." Piracy destroys the industry we all love so much. Plus it drives up game prices, this is especially true for people living in Europe, as piracy is out of control over there. Also it drives the over all quality of games down. Developers just wont try as hard to make a good game when everyone steals it. Instead we get tons of mindless sequels and other junk.

Smithy · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2003, 02:39:40 PM »

The gamecube has a long way to go before back-ups work on the sytem. As far as I know the GC cannot read dvd-r media so you would need to alter the hardware(possible the laser) or add additional hardware just to get the machine to read the it. Along with that the GC bios data seems to be embedded inside the flipper chip. I'd imagine the Panasonic Q being a much easier target. Although the user base is much smaller than that of gamecube consumers.

Nintendo has done an excellent job securing its console from piracy.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2003, 02:52:59 PM »

indeed it has.

DRJ · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2003, 04:07:00 PM »

Seems to me that if you can copy the data on to a computer, cant you network the Gamecube with a PC and use some mod chip to force the Gamecube to read the hard drive instead of the disk. But it really doesnt matter to me, I have never pirated a console game. Movies, Audio CD ofcourse, but not console games. Usually with games you have to cut stuff out to make em fit, no videos, musik, speech. I would rather spend $50 for a really good game, iven if I could make a copy for $5 or less, it would have to be very easy and a perfect copy for me to bother.

Also with such a short life span of consoles nowadays by the time people start pirating Gamecube, Gamecube 2 will be out, with a whole new protection setup.

If you really want to pirate something go pirate Playstation 2 and XBox and put them out of business. Leave Nintendo alone.

AERO · « **Reply #24 on:** June 16, 2003, 05:28:02 PM »

DRJ I hope your kidding.

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Author Topic: *sigh* GameCube finally hacked. (Read 17839 times)

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