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Offline Ninja X

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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2003, 10:22:54 AM »
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Originally posted by: Termin8Anakin
I'm still laughing!

Blame it on Ninja X!
I thought it was a link to a pic! Hahaha!


Yeah, blame it on the friendly ninja...  

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Offline Ninja X

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2003, 10:39:35 AM »
LOL, quite a horny character you are, Grey Ninja...
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2003, 11:28:26 AM »
I am also skeptical on Tetra's Trackers, but I don't see the problem with Four Swords.

If they make this game at least 50 hours long, and use a new overworld and everything, I think it will be worthy enough for the zelda series. I mean everyone liked LTTP, think of this as a new, improved, longer version that you can experience with your friends and everything.

Think of it as a full-fledged adventure, and not a simple mini game with 4 (or however many) dungeons that was in the the gameboy version.  
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2003, 12:21:27 PM »
In the words of Keanu Reeves, "Whoa". :
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2003, 01:10:42 PM »
that was sick Grey Ninja, but it gave me a good laugh. Haha you sicko!

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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2003, 01:16:17 PM »
"I think a big reason for that was because the average person didn't know that Super Mario Sunshine was the first Mario game since 1996. To the average consumer a Mario game is released every year and therefore they're not going to see Mario Sunshine differently than Mario Party."

I don't think it's fair to say that Mario Sunshine was any more of a "true" Mario game than Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, or any of the other games that featured Mario. At this point, I think Nintendo sees Mario as a cross-genre star. People may have assumed that the 3D platform genre replaced the 2D platform genre as his "main" genre when Mario 64 was released, but the fact that it took so long for the next sequel to be released suggests otherwise. It wasn't even developed as a launch title for the Gamecube and Miyamoto once said (I think this was in the "Dolphin" days) that he wasn't sure if he wanted to develope another 3D Platform Mario title for the new console at all. Recently, he's commented that he thought Mario Sunshine wasn't "new" enough and has said some things that have lead people to believe the upcoming Mario 128 won't be a 3D platform game.

Mario Sunshine didn't sell that well (by Mario standards) for a variety of reasons.
It had really tough competition including a few 3D platform games on the PS2 and other big-name Gamecube titles. Not only did it have competition when it was released, but also the entire year before. It didn't get anywhere near the kind of hype it should have gotten because Zelda and Metroid stole just about all of it.
It also didn't look anything like a Mario game and had the word "Sunshine" in it and the cleaning up element was stressed way too much (it was a minor part of the game) which prevented some insecure people from buying it and had less informed people unaware it was even intended to be a sequel to Mario 64. I can just about guarantee it would have sold a lot better if it were called Mario 64-2.

When Mario Kart Double Dash leaves Mario Sunshine in the dust later this year, it should be clear that Mario is not just a 3D platform game star who has some side-projects. He now transcend genres.  

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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2003, 02:02:09 PM »
Hahahahahahaha!
Go grey ninja!
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and no one here is sick.
we are like-minded.
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Offline Ian Sane

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2003, 02:13:28 PM »
"When Mario Kart Double Dash leaves Mario Sunshine in the dust later this year, it should be clear that Mario is not just a 3D platform game star who has some side-projects. He now transcend genres."

Yeah but is that a good thing?  In the longrun is it beneficial for Mario to be a genre-busting character?  At least if Mario is known as primarily a platform character then people don't get sick of him and he doesn't get a reputation as a washed up character.  Right now I'd say Mario is WAY too overexposed and as a result people just aren't as interested in him.  I think people need a Mario break.  I remember when Super Mario 64 came out Mario had been out of the spotlight for a while so there was more of a "Mario's back" attitude.  At the time Nintendo had been focusing on the DKC series as the big title for the SNES and the last Mario platformer was Yoshi's Island which didn't even have an adult Mario in it.  Of course there were other factors like the game being a launch for the much hyped N64 and being a completely different game than anything before it.

I agree with you that Super Mario Sunshine didn't sell as well due to many reasons.  I think Mario's overexposure was one of them but numerous other factors, most of which had to do with the promotion of the game, hurt it.  Basically Nintendo f*cked up everything imaginable with Super Mario Sunshine aside the game themselves.  Had it been a launch title, didn't have "Sunshine" in the title and had a decent advertising campaign it likely would have sold better.

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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2003, 02:23:39 PM »
*Giggles like a school girl*

Nice one Grey

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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2003, 02:23:45 PM »
Hey, that is a good point.
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2003, 02:29:35 PM »
This is what happens when you don't think out the possible puns, double-meanings and whatnot in your titles. I think a far better, less suggestive one for this thread would have been "Zelda franchise getting milked". Than again, it is interesting to gauge how many perverted, sick-minded people there are inhabiting this board from the amount of provocative responses. Makes me glad we're seperated by miles of telephone wire... Heh, just kidding.

Getting back on topic here, I think Nintendo is the last company that should be singled out for milking their franchises. There are far worse perpetrators out there, and Nintendo themselves rank pretty low on the list just like with violent videogames. I suppose the only reason they are becoming a little less conservative with their franchises (Zelda especially) are because of the sheer amount of sequels being put out by other developers. This could also be another example of Nintendo's changing strategy in the videogame industry, putting out more titles in less time. Isn't this what you people wanted in the first place? You bickered about delays, and game droughts in the last generation, and now that Nintendo is beginning to adapt their strategy to address these past grievences or try to remedy them your still not satisfied? Which is it people? I've seen people complaining in similar threads like this one, and that suggests to me they have no idea what they truly want to begin with.  

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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2003, 02:39:08 PM »
Pokemon anyone?
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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2003, 03:16:49 PM »
"Yeah but is that a good thing? In the longrun is it beneficial for Mario to be a genre-busting character? At least if Mario is known as primarily a platform character then people don't get sick of him and he doesn't get a reputation as a washed up character."

I literally couldn't disagree more. I think the exact opposite is true.
People would get sick of Mario if he were confined to just one genre, especially the 3D platform genre which people seem to have really gotten sick of lately.
Someday Nintendo will create a virtual reality console and it will be able to bring the traditional Mario/Zelda formulas (platform jumping, puzzle solving, etc...) to a new level and the resulting games will take the world by storm and sell amazingly well the way Super Mario 64 did but, until then, they have to start breaking with the formulas or risk letting the characters fade away.
People aren't going to want to play traditional Mario/Zelda games over and over again for another generation. It's been breaking away from the traditional Mario gameplay for years and now it's starting to do the same with Zelda. Purists may not like it but it's necessary.
If Nintendo doesn't bring the characters into fresh territory, people will get sick of them.
The games may not sell as well as Mario 64 or the previous Mario games on the NES/SNES which will (and has) lead people to believe Mario is fading away but that's not a fair comparison.
It will be a long time before a Mario title as innovative as Mario 64 is possible (probably Virtual Mario World) and you can't compare anything in the NES/SNES days to today since things are a lot more competitive in the industry and Nintendo has a lot less of the market.

"I remember when Super Mario 64 came out Mario had been out of the spotlight for a while so there was more of a "Mario's back" attitude. At the time Nintendo had been focusing on the DKC series as the big title for the SNES and the last Mario platformer was Yoshi's Island which didn't even have an adult Mario in it. Of course there were other factors like the game being a launch for the much hyped N64 and being a completely different game than anything before it."

I really don't think Mario withdrawl had anything to do with Mario 64's success. I agree that Nintendo should be careful not to over-expose Mario but I don't think having him be cross-genre necessarily has to result in that. I definitly think it would be wise for Nintendo to tell Hudson to make fewer Mario Party titles at least. Like Mario Kart, just one per console would suffice. Also, unless Mario Tennis and Golf have any substantial upgrades, they may not have been needed (though I WILL buy them both). As much as I loved Mario Sunshine, I also kind of think Miyamoto should have gone with his initial instinct and created an entirely unlike-anything-he's-done before kind of Mario game instead. I think releasing one Mario game a year or maybe two if neither is a "big" title would be fine.
Any more than that and over-exposure becomes a risk. Nintendo just has to make sure people see Mario as a character who stars in great games of various genres and not just some special tool it uses to extract money from people's wallets on several occasions each year.

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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2003, 03:32:32 PM »
Just tell me. . . I'd like to know. . . what genre would you put the classic Mario game in?  3-D platformer?  No, because its roots are two dimensional.  Not really platformer at all, since Mario has been cross genre since the very beginning.  Truthfully, Mario was never designated to one genre of games.  He is and has always been cross genre.
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2003, 06:10:12 PM »
Imagine if all the cross-genre stuff never happened.
Nintendo would never had made Mario Kart (and created the character based karting genre), they wouldn't have created the 'party game' genre, which heaps of people seem to be doing, or anything else, and we would be like:
"Mario is so big, why don't Nintendo  make a game for Mario other than platformers?"
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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2003, 04:24:55 PM »
Well, I learned one thing.  I learned who the sickos are on this forum.

But Mario is cross-genre.  He was ever since the SNES days.

However, Sunshine is the true sequel to Mario 64, especially when Nintendo said so themselves.  Mario's true roots lie in platforming, but if he were to be in only platform games, we would see people complaining why doesn't Mario branch out into other genres.  
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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2003, 05:41:52 PM »
If the thread creator wants to bring up this topic again (with a different title please), go ahead, but I'm closing this mess down.
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