Author Topic: Zelda getting milked? (Read 10814 times)

Ninja X · « **on:** June 15, 2003, 04:22:14 PM »

Does anybody else get that feeling? No console ever had more than two Zelda games on it. Yet, the GCN is getting four Zeldas. Or five, if you want to be technical.

The Wind Waker
The Four Swords
Tetra's Trackers
The Wind Waker 2 (tentative title)
Ocarina Of Time: Master Quest (technical one)

I do not mind Master Quest, The Wind Waker, or the sequel to the Wind Waker, but The Four Swords and Tetra's Trackers. But The Four Swords and Tetra's Trackers? C'mon...I know both of them were meant to help with GBA connectivity, but they sound like milkers. One is somewhat of a party title, and the other is a definite party title.

Before the GCN, all Zeldas (except for the horse manure that were the Philips versions and The Four Swords GBA) were massive adventures that sucked players into worlds that were unique only to Zelda. The Four Swords was an exception, but it did also contain the port of LTTP. And it is not on the main console.

However, the Four Swords GCN and Tetra's Trackers are. The Four Swords, from what I hear, is a fun title, but it is not a massive spectacle we all come to expect from the main console Zeldas. Even so, this would not be enough evidence of Zelda getting milked if Tetra's Trackers did not come into play at the same time. That is just a blatent party game so far.

I do not want to see the series many esteem for being the best get milked. Metroid is not getting this treatment, so why is Zelda? They are Nintendo's two best series quality-wise (Mario has too many titles. As many quality titles he has, he has lots of crap titles as well, sadly) by the fans and critics alike, so they should not be marred with any side titles. If they want to have gaidens of the series, that is all right, but no side titles like "Zelda Party."

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #1 on:** June 15, 2003, 05:00:01 PM »

Well, NIntendo's using Zelda, now accepted as also a multiplayer game, to showcase the use of the GCN-GBA connection to it's maximum potential.
It's not being milked. Milked means massive toys and merchandising and such. This is only two games we're talking about here, so it's hardly milking.
And who's to say the two games will be crap? I'll bet they're both gonna be excellent, albeit different.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2003, 05:05:27 PM »

Well look at this way. Each of the games are or going to be improvements over the previous Zelda game, or in the case of Four Swords and Tetra’s Trackers, completely different genre really. So far Zelda is not like the Tomb Raider or Twisted Metal franchises where each game was put out because the franchise was hot and look where they are know each following game provided nothing new. Well TM made a come back with TW Black, but TR is undecided. Each Zelda game has been different in some way. Zelda, set the standard, Zelda 2, tried something new with the 2d side scrolling, Zelda ALttP went back to the roots of the series but gave up a more developed story, GB Zelda’s gave up side stories. N64, brought the series to 3D and probably perfection and MM gave us a side story that brought something new to the series, a time limit. Zelda GCN gave us a new visual style that complemented the story and sold more copies in a week than every other game sold in the first three months of the year.

Slashman SG · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:11:11 PM »

Jeez, I clicked on a topic called "Zelda getting milked", and I got nothing what I thought I would. . .

AgentSeven · « **Reply #4 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:13:27 PM »

Have you guys actually played "Four Swords?" It rocks! I can't wait to hook up with my bro's and play this thing. We had a blast with it at E3. As for "Tetra's Trackers," lets just say I cant vouch for that one. Truthfully, that one seems like it was made for really young kids.

Anyway, in the era of sony, sequels sell, especially to uninformed, "casual gamers." I'm not a big fan of this philosophy, I actually feel that too many sequels will eventually destroy the game industry. Sony and other companies don't seem to concerned by this idea, but frankly it worries me, deeply. I can already see the launch line-up for ps3, "Socom 12, Crash Bandicoot 78, MGS 14, etc.."

It seems that these new Zelda "games" are just Nintendo's reaction to a growing trend. At least 99.99% of the Zelda games are EXCELLENT in quality. Especially WW and OoT, two of the finest games ever made.

Still if it bothers you so much, don't play them. I was a huge MG/MGS fan until MGS2, after that, I was done with that series(among others). Poor sequels can really take the fun out of things.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #5 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:16:32 PM »

"Jeez, I clicked on a topic called "Zelda getting milked", and I got nothing what I thought I would. . .

"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha!
*stops for air*
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Best post evah!
I was thinking the exact same thing when i clicked!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #6 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:26:46 PM »

Glad I am not the only one with a sick mind around here.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #7 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:31:15 PM »

I'm still laughing!

Blame it on Ninja X!
I thought it was a link to a pic! Hahaha!

AgentSeven · « **Reply #8 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:32:05 PM »

you guys are sick, lmao!

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #9 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:34:39 PM »

well someone woulda posted that, so at least we're not the only ones.

PIAC · « **Reply #10 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:45:25 PM »

a hentai got milk add comes to mind...

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #11 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:47:45 PM »

hahaha.
Guy: "Got milk?"
Zelda: "Sure do!"
*squirt!*

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #12 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:48:13 PM »

Bloodworth is SO going to come in and brutally murder us all. But come on! I am sure that we have some artists around here. Surely someone can do something about this rampant disappointment.

PIAC · « **Reply #13 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:49:27 PM »

well i can whip up a dodgy 3 second MS Paint one if you really want, but instead im going to go play Curse of Monkey Island and not get banned

Mario · « **Reply #14 on:** June 15, 2003, 06:56:53 PM »

I would post a pic but i'd get banned.

Anyway, back on topic. Whats wrong with more Zelda games? The Legend of Zelda is the greatest series of all time, whats wrong with more of them? The more the better!

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2003, 07:00:33 PM »

Cowards. Someone PM me the picture.

No guts, no glory.

Termin8Anakin · « **Reply #16 on:** June 15, 2003, 07:04:32 PM »

I'll see.
but I'm not gonna post it as a link to the forums.
i'll send to to ur email.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #17 on:** June 15, 2003, 07:34:29 PM »

Heh. Send it. If I am around tomorrow, I will post it. But I am going home right now. I am dead tired, and I should really start looking for a job again tomorrow.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2003, 06:08:01 AM »

The Wind Waker titles are the only true Gamecube Zelda games.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo would consider Four Swords a GCN/GBA game and a lot of people believe Tetra's Trackers won't be released as a stand-alone game, and instead will be a part of Four Swords or as part of a collection of connectivity games.
Master Quest obviously doesn't count.
So I don't think Zelda is being milked. Mario either. He may be in a lot of games but they're all very different and the vast majority of them are great. Look at Mario Kart. Any other developer would release a new addition of the game every two years if not sooner but Nintendo has made it a point to only release one per console. It was SIX years between the two 3D platform Mario titles. The Mario Party series is different but I'd consider it to be the only case where Mario is being milked. That series isn't even made by Nintendo anyway and, since the games are so simplistic in design, I don't think it's that big a deal anyway.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2003, 06:38:53 AM »

You people are sick

Ian Sane · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2003, 07:27:21 AM »

I agree with Ninja X that Nintendo is starting to milk Zelda (as in the series not the girl) and I'm worried about it. It's only a matter of time before we get Zelda Kart. I think a big problem with Nintendo's image with the casual gamer is that their games appear to be rehashes because they branch their franchises across multiple genres. The result is casual gamers calling Mario a rehash, once-a-year, same-thing-over-and-over series which is off course ridiculous to anyone who knows better. Super Mario Sunshine was the first true Mario game released in SIX years yet it didn't sell as hot as Nintendo thought it would and wasn't a huge system seller. I think a big reason for that was because the average person didn't know that Super Mario Sunshine was the first Mario game since 1996. To the average consumer a Mario game is released every year and therefore they're not going to see Mario Sunshine differently than Mario Party.

I think it would greatly improve Nintendo's image (and showcase them as the true originators that they are) if they cut back on franchise spinoffs and kept each character to their respective series (though I think Mario can continue with both his platformers and Mario Kart). Super Smash Bros would be an exception of course. Otherwise Zelda would remain as an adventure game, Pokemon as an RPG, Star Fox as a shooter, etc. Plus Nintendo doesn't look so kiddy if they don't have fifty billion Mario and Pokemon titles everywhere. They also would be able to free up their developers so that they can concentrate on making some new series for the older crowd. It would make WAY more sense to have a company like Camelot working on a Gamecube RPG than another Mario Tennis and Mario Golf game that doesn't need to be made in the first place.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2003, 07:27:42 AM »

Alright, I must admit that I didn't quite have the guts to post the unedited pic.

Nevertheless, here's a version for everyone who was dissapointed with the subject matter in this thread.

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nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2003, 07:34:54 AM »

lmao. LMAO I tell you. That was f'cking hilarious, funny funny FUNNY. But I don't need to see the unedited pic, I think it would lose something if you did. The art style I thinks is what makes it funny, at least IMO.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2003, 08:58:48 AM »

Splendid, to say the least.

Ninja X · « **Reply #24 on:** June 16, 2003, 10:16:59 AM »

Well...

I come into the Gamecube Forums and when I see that my topic has already accumulated 23 posts, I expected a heated debate or something people are bitching about...

I was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY wrong.

Man...why didn't I think about the title in the first place?!

Ian Sane: I like your opinion on how Mario Sunshine did not sell due to too many Marios. I also agree. Hopefully, Zelda won't go taht way, but with Tetra's Trackers, it might.

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Author Topic: Zelda getting milked? (Read 10814 times)