Topic: Rayman Legends Delayed to September

[Adrock]

The irony of saying that they ported the game to "give the fans what they wanted" is what a lot of fans really wanted was to play Rayman Legends in February instead of September.

[Pixelated Pixies]

@Pandareus
 
Are we talking about any games in particular that will take attention away from Legends on Wii U? What's coming out in September on Wii U? I genuinely don't know.

It might not be on Wii U, but Grand Theft Auto V will eat this game alive.

As I've said, we're getting to that point in the generation where publishers really have little choice as to what they're up against in any given month. If you're going to release a game on this current generation of consoles then you have limited options. I'm sure Ubisoft would have preferred to launch the game earlier (that in fact is the biggest tragedy here, that they didn't take the decision to make the game multi-console sooner and, in so doing, get it out sooner), but clearly they couldn't.

[Fjurbanski]

There are very good reasons to not want to release on Wii U several months before they plan to release on other platforms. Look man, I'm no damn analyst. All I'm saying is that I can see why this decision may have been taken. I still think it's a bummer that it's being delayed, but I have to disagree that it's a bad financial decision.

Haha, you don't need to be an analyst for me to take your thoughts seriously (God knows most of them aren't very good at their job anyway).

And at the end of the day.. I feel like none of this talk of business and sales matters much. Rayman will be mostly fine, and Ubi certainly isn't going under after this. But, sometimes its better to just please your fans and give them the game you promised, instead of taking it away from them weeks before it comes out. Especially since they're blatantly lying to us when making this announcement.


From IGN:


"When we saw all the comments when we announced the game would be focused on Wii U, all of the people that have both the PlayStation 3 and 360 were really disappointed,” Poix told IGN. “So we thought it was making more sense to also bring the game to where it was originally from. That means Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. So we decided to go for a multiplatform launch simultaneously."


and


"As for the reason for the delay, Poix explained that 'it’s really about the fans. It’s really about having a very interesting universe, a mix of craziness and poetry mixed all together. We are very happy that we can bring that to many, many Rayman fans and the more we can, the better.'"


It's not about the fans, it's about the money. If it was about the fans, you wouldn't screw over one group just to please another group. So if they wanna do all this fine, but they're either lying, or they genuinely don't understand how a 7 month delay could anger people (which is obviously not true).

[Ian Sane]

The demo for this game is the only hands on experience with the Wii U I've ever had and now this is neither an exclusive or a "launch window" title like the demo would suggest.

In the last few days we've had this and EA not announcing Madden when the other versions were announced and losing that Ninja Gaiden exclusivity.  That's a lot of bad news for Wii U owners in such a short time and so soon after launch.  The Wii U hasn't exactly recreated the frenzy the Wii had.  The third party support wasn't so hot to begin with but even the publishers that were on board at launch appear to be distancing themselves from it.

It appears that Nintendo has been teh DOOMED for ten years but now I'm starting to really believe it, in a scary way.

[Soren]

I have never seen so many gamers turn on a game so harshly after it had garnered so much goodwill. Ubisoft had done so much good for Nintendo, and they threw it all away.

[NWR_insanolord]

Does no one remember how Rayman Origins sold? It was a flop until it dropped to $20, but the sheer volume of sales made it turn a profit. If they'd hit the February launch on Wii U a large portion of the system's user base, already predisposed toward liking 2D platformers and desperate for something new to play, would have bought the game for the full $60.

 If you honestly think things are going to be any different this time and the 360/PS3 crowd will flock to at at full price, then fine, but I don't see that. It won't sell until the price drops, and that'll be true on the Wii U now as well, due to ill will Ubisoft brought upon themselves with this decision and launching at a time where there will (hopefully) be other things coming out, making people less in a rush to grab any one particular game.

[Adrock]

Ubisoft had done so much good for Nintendo, and they threw it all away.

Let me preface this by saying that I'll continue to buy Ubisoft games so long as they're good. This doesn't change anything for me as a consumer. I still like fun and will get it in any way I can (legally?).

However... As a Nintendo fan and a Wii U owner...

I realize that this was especially shitty for us in terms of 3rd party relations (I openly admit that I probably wasn't buying the game day 1). Rayman Legends was an exclusive title originally set for launch... then launch window... then it's delayed to almost a year after it was supposed to come out and it's probably being delayed so the other versions could launch simultaneously. This is after Nintendo went out of their way to make Rayman Legends then ONLY demo available for the console when they were sent out. To anyone who says Nintendo hasn't stepped up to the plate for 3rd parties, they totally did here and got shafted big time which means Nintendo fans got shafted big time. Ubisoft just bricked in every Wii U owner's mouth who bought the console specifically for this game. I'm sure some of them even had a PS3/360. Could Ubisoft have released the game then announced ports to PS3/360? I'm sure the general consensus from Wii U owner's would have been, "Ehh, kind of lame, but okay. At least I got to play it months ago."

This is especially difficult for Nintendo fans because Rayman Legends being ported to PS3/360 is the reverse of how they're treated with regarding 3rd party games.

3rd parties: We're porting to PS3/360 to give fans what they wanted.
Wii U owners: Well... we want ports of your PS3/360 games on Wii U.
3rd parties: **** a jug.

[Mop it up]

This is a strange move. I don't have a problem with the game releasing on other systems, but to delay the Wii U version again makes no sense, unless it wasn't ready yet but that seems unlikely. The game would have definitely sold better had it been released this month with no competition.

[Soren]

3rd parties: We're porting to PS3/360 to give fans what they wanted.
Wii U owners: Well... we want ports of your PS3/360 games on Wii U.
3rd parties: **** a jug.

I eagerly await Ubisoft's Wii U port of Far Cry 3.

[Louieturkey]

I'm almost positive Ubisoft will be leaving money on the table with this decision. 

[roykoopa64]

I fell in love with Ubisoft when Wii U launched. I bought, finished, and enjoyed ZombiU and Assassin's Creed III, and I was highly anticipating Rayman Legends after played the demo from the eShop.

Now I just feel sick.

[TrueNerd]

Just a reminder that Pandora's Tower comes out March 26th.

/xseedplant

[Traveller]

Delaying the Wii U version to maybe sell more on the other systems is not a good enough reason to delay for 7 months.

[NWR_insanolord]

I don't think anyone would really care if PS3/360 versions of the game were coming in September if we were still getting the game this month. After all they'd talked it up to be and it being probably the biggest game in Q1 for the system, I think Ubisoft owed them at least that.

[Adrock]

That's exactly what would have happened. When Tecmo announced Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge for PS3/360, people weren't really complaining about the port. They mostly found it odd because Nintendo published the game on Wii U (though I realize that being a port itself, enhanced but still a port, probably contributed to the blasé reaction). It didn't matter because it came out November 2012 on Wii U and is coming out April 2013 on the other platforms. Here, Ubisoft seemed to go out of their way to troll Wii U owners.

[EasyCure]

“We heard from many Xbox & Playstation owners and Rayman fans who told us they really wanted to play Rayman Legends on their current system”, says Geoffroy Sardin, EMEA Chief Marketing & Sales Officer. ”We decided to give the fans what they wanted while at the same time broadening the audience exposed to this innovative and memorable game.”

This is what pisses me off about this whole situation. I've never liked a single Rayman game I've played, I downloaded the demo because everyone here claimed it was awesome but outside the Castle Rock level, I wasn't feeling it. It seemed like it could be fun, but I'd most likely pass on it unless I could get it for cheap - in other words, the game delay or it going multiplatform don't affect me one bit. However, when your PR people say "well we're doing it for the fans" I say "well what about all those times Nintendo fans tell you they want games on their current systems and you ignore them??" This isn't about Ubisoft in particular, mind you, but in general. This is 100% PR bullshit and they know it, but they're going to just keep on smiling while they spit in the face of fans.

The irony of saying that they ported the game to "give the fans what they wanted" is what a lot of fans really wanted was to play Rayman Legends in February instead of September.

This, also I'm stealing "**** a jug"

I fell in love with Ubisoft when Wii U launched. I bought, finished, and enjoyed ZombiU and Assassin's Creed III, and I was highly anticipating Rayman Legends after played the demo from the eShop.

Now I just feel sick.

Your post seems a little melodramatic, but I love your avatar/username

[ResettisCousin]

  I'll freely admit to giving a closer look to console exclusive games. I'll freely admit to paying more for them than I would a multi-plat game. Maybe it's my age, but exclusive games give a system its character and are worth more to me. It was easy to have this philosophy with the Wii because most of its best games were console exclusive and almost none of its multiplats were better than the PS360 versions.

 
In the case of Legends and this statement, of course the corporate half-truth of “fan service” irritates anyone with intelligence and integrity. Of course this is first about maximizing ROI. I don't object to that on a moral level but it moves the game from a pre-order, full price purchase to a 'maybe for $35... at most' purchase for me. Yet obviously there are many fans of Origins on the 360 and PS3, maybe more than from the Wii. Given the tablet's presumed integration with the game design, squeezing this game on to the older consoles may be no small task. Why not create two parallel games, not unlike some good SNES / Genesis series had? Legends would remain basically as we've seen it (and oh my have we seen it, and for some time... bring it out, already!) and for the other platforms you have Rayman Chronicles.

[Stogi]

So......how are they going to make co-op work?

If I remember correctly, you launch projectiles by tapping the touch screen.

[EasyCure]

So......how are they going to make co-op work?

If I remember correctly, you launch projectiles by tapping the touch screen.

Oh don't you know? Dual analogue can do ANYTHING! I'm sure you use one stick to aim a cursor on screen and then.. click int he same stick, throwing off your aim, to fire! instead of.. you know.. making it a button press, or at least the other god damn stick.

[Razorkid]

The only good news for me is that I get to save some money in the short term and can focus on clearing out some more of my backlog. Very disappointed by this news and my intelligence feels insulted by the reason given by Ubi's PR. Just say its about money and I'll at least respect your decision.

[EasyCure]

The only good news for me is that I get to save some money in the short term and can focus on clearing out some more of my backlog. Very disappointed by this news and my intelligence feels insulted by the reason given by Ubi's PR. Just say its about money and I'll at least respect your decision.

I know, right? It would help humanize a company if their PR did that.

"Look, the industry is in a tough position right now where almost every game is either going to make or break us. We simply can't afford to release an exclusive game when there are so many other gamers out there who may not have a Wii U to enjoy Rayman Legends on. We've decided it'd be not only best for our company, but best for ALL gamers, if we release the game on all currently available home consoles. Unfortunately, to make the most of this we're going to have to delay the Wii U version."

That'd be an honest, reasonable answer to our customers or potential customers. We didn't get that though.

[Vrgin X]

(;,;) That sucks. Now that it's been delayed, I've got $60 that will go to payoff another game.

(Thank god I read this before I went to GameStop to pick up FE:A)

[Shaymin]

Even the developers of the game are pissed.


http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=2047583


The thread is in Spanish, but a translation exists...

I completely understand you but you have to understand one thing. This is not a decission taken by the development team, this comes from really really high up, so please don't pick on the game.


If you're pissed, imagine how we feel. Think on the situation, we've been making overtime with this game practically since May preparing E3, and then almost a demo per month (gamescon, Wii U presentation, shops, eShop, etc...) and at the same time trying to actually finish the game. We had a first delay because it was obvious we couldn't finish on time but we gave it all to be there on February. What face do you think we had when the week we had to close the game we're being told it's not going to be released? I couldn't believe it.


For practical matters, you'll have to wait for some months for the game to be released and will most likely serve for more content to be added and do it better. For us, this means we've spent 6 months barely seeing our wifes, kids, and friends for nothing because, after all, such a haste wasn't needed. Believe it, it was a hell to swallow these news.


Even then I'm firm in what I said back in the day, Rayman Legends is an excellent game and will still be, and the team that's making it doesn't deserve to have your back turned on them just because some men in ties one day took a wrong choice. This industry is really that shitty

(Translation source)

[EasyCure]

see that's the kind of honesty I like to see, if only the people in charge were that honest.

[Tizona]

All I can add to this conversation is that, I didn't play Rayman Origins. I played the Rayman Legends Demo and enjoyed it. I would have bought this game this month, because I really want something on my Wii U. Come September, I will have many more Wii U games as well as PS3 games.
I won't end up buying it.
Not because of bias, or hate, or revenge, or anything like that, just terrible terrible timing.