Topic: Wii U Wont Collect Dust

[TJ Spyke]

shingi, Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z probably will come out on Wii U. Team Ninja has not announced any platforms for the game yet.

[MrPhishfood]

I may end up getting a PSFour down the line.

I'm not sure if Sony has the financial power they once did. Remember a while back when they had to layoff a bunch of people. Their TGS showing wasn't exactly great and Vita support looks down right depressing. It almost feels like Sony as a video game contender is starting to die out.

[Chozo Ghost]

I'm not sure if Sony has the financial power they once did. Remember a while back when they had to layoff a bunch of people. Their TGS showing wasn't exactly great and Vita support looks down right depressing. It almost feels like Sony as a video game contender is starting to die out.

It won't be the first time a once popular Sony brand died out. Remember Walkman? The point is just because something was insanely popular at one time doesn't mean it will always be around. Sony got arrogant and thought they were invincible and that people would buy a $600 console. They were sadly mistaken, and the result was they went from 1st place with 90% marketshare down to 3rd place with whatever percent marketshare they have now.

If it weren't for Micro$oft they would have been fine. When it came to pushing around Sega and Nintendo Sony was the big kid on the block and they could get away with it, but then Microsoft showed up and they were this big huge bully that had been held back a few grades. Microsoft beat Sony up and took their lunch money. In this upcoming generation its going to be even worse for Sony. Now Nintendo has hit puberty and now they are bigger than Sony, so who does Sony have to bully anymore? No one. They've gone from being the bully to being bullied. I would feel sorry for them except for the fact they deserve every bit of it for what they've done over the years.

[TJ Spyke]

*shakes my head*, sad to see people still using "Micro$oft" or "M$". It's like using dial-up in 2012. Also, Walkman still exists (there are even Walkman phones, and in 2007 they released an all-digital flash-based Walkman), it just does not dominate like it used to.

[Fatty The Hutt]

I feel the exact opposite way. Wii U is probably going to be my only next generation console (for a while anyway) because I don't play enough video games to justify another console and I'm not going to not play the next Mario, Zelda, Metroid etc. I may end up getting a PSFour down the line. Maybe, but Sony is going to have to do better than God of War and Uncharted because I think I'm over those series. I certainly won't buy a console just for those games or buy them at full price.

I think I almost entirely agree with this. Uncharted and God of War are good but I'm not pining for new ones like I am for Zelda, Metroid and 3D Mario. If Wii U had a Blu Ray player it would be unstoppable but as it is, I have a PS3 for that anyway.

[Fatty The Hutt]

When it came to pushing around Sega and Nintendo Sony was the big kid on the block and they could get away with it, but then Microsoft showed up and they were this big huge bully that had been held back a few grades. Microsoft beat Sony up and took their lunch money. In this upcoming generation its going to be even worse for Sony. Now Nintendo has hit puberty and now they are bigger than Sony, so who does Sony have to bully anymore? No one. They've gone from being the bully to being bullied. I would feel sorry for them except for the fact they deserve every bit of it for what they've done over the years.

Hilarious school bully analogy. I'd +1 you if I could. (please someone do it for me)

[Louieturkey]

*shakes my head*, sad to see people still using "Micro$oft" or "M$". It's like using dial-up in 2012. Also, Walkman still exists (there are even Walkman phones, and in 2007 they released an all-digital flash-based Walkman), it just does not dominate like it used to.

It's sad when someone has such a problem with a person using $ to substitute for an S.  This is at least twice now that I've seen you complain about this and I'm guessing you've done it before.  There really are better things to make a stand about right now.  I promise.

[TJ Spyke]

No, those are the only two times. And using a dollar sign is as lame as still using "z" instead of "s" and "3" instead of "e". Itz zo cool to zp3ak lik3 thi$.

[Caterkiller]

When it came to pushing around Sega and Nintendo Sony was the big kid on the block and they could get away with it, but then Microsoft showed up and they were this big huge bully that had been held back a few grades. Microsoft beat Sony up and took their lunch money. In this upcoming generation its going to be even worse for Sony. Now Nintendo has hit puberty and now they are bigger than Sony, so who does Sony have to bully anymore? No one. They've gone from being the bully to being bullied. I would feel sorry for them except for the fact they deserve every bit of it for what they've done over the years.

Hilarious school bully analogy. I'd +1 you if I could. (please someone do it for me)

I'll do it, but I wont like it.

Except for maybe the hand held market, I don't see Sony going 3rd party. But it really is going to be fascinating to see the philosophy behind their next console. No way they will ask us to work more hours to buy it without any games.

[Louieturkey]

No, those are the only two times. And using a dollar sign is as lame as still using "z" instead of "s" and "3" instead of "e". Itz zo cool to zp3ak lik3 thi$.

Who died and made you the internet police for what's cool?

And why does this have something to do with the other?  M$ is an extremely accepted acronym for Microsoft across the internet.  While it can be used as derogatory, it can also be used as just the way to shorthand Microsoft.

Did you know if you type "ms" into a google search, the first and second results are multiple sclerosis?

L33t speak has nothing to do with it.

[broodwars]

My, something Chozo said felt awfully familiar.  Let's just see what happens when I substitute a few words to that last post...

The point is just because something was insanely popular at one time doesn't mean it will always be around. Sony Nintendo got arrogant and thought they were invincible...They were sadly mistaken, and the result was they went from 1st place with 90% marketshare down to 3rd place with whatever percent marketshare they have now had in the N64 and GameCube days.

If it weren't for Micro$oft Sony they would have been fine. When it came to pushing around Sega and EVERYONE Sony Nintendo was the big kid on the block and they could get away with it, but then Microsoft Sony showed up and they were this big huge bully that had been held back a few grades. Microsoft Sony beat Sony Nintendo up and took their lunch money...They've They'd gone from being the bully to being bullied. I would feel sorry for them except for the fact they deserve every bit of it for what they've they'd done over the years.

There.  Fixed. If you want to talk about days long gone, it doesn't work favorably for you, either.

[Evan_B]

Broodwars, I get the feeling you're anti-Nintendo.

[ShyGuy]

TJ $pyke

[broodwars]

Broodwars, I get the feeling you're anti-Nintendo.

I prefer "critical of Nintendo."  To be "anti-Nintendo", I'd have to hate them.  I don't hate them.  They disappoint me sometimes.  They underwhelm me sometimes.  They disgust me sometimes.  But I don't hate them.  Until this week, I've had a game from a Nintendo platform on every episode of the NFR podcast I do with folks here every couple of weeks. 

See, unlike apparently many here, I'm old enough to remember the tyrannical rule of Nintendo in the NES and SNES years.  Back then, they were just as arrogant (if not more so) and fond of bullying just about every company they ever dealt with as Chozo likes to constantly say Sony was.  You released a product Nintendo wasn't fond of?  Nintendo would hold retailers hostage with threats of pulling orders until they fell into line and didn't stock your product.  You had a game with content Nintendo thought was "objectionable?" Out came the censorship.  Too many games in one year? You'd better get some shell companies ready, because Nintendo would just block your games in certification.

And look where that ended up: with just about every company in the industry wanting to have as little to do with Nintendo as possible once a strong new challenger stepped up to take them on, the effects of which we are still seeing today.

[Evan_B]

Fair enough. No judgment.

[Fatty The Hutt]

Hilarious school bully analogy. I'd +1 you if I could. (please someone do it for me)

I'll do it, but I wont like it.

Thanks. +1 for you too
 
(oh no, I see an endless loop of +1 favours developin. A "daisy chain" if you will)

[Louieturkey]

Hilarious school bully analogy. I'd +1 you if I could. (please someone do it for me)

I'll do it, but I wont like it.

Thanks. +1 for you too
 
(oh no, I see an endless loop of +1 favours developin. A "daisy chain" if you will)

+1 for that daisy chain.  Though Pro is no longer around here.

[Fatty The Hutt]

(oh no, I see an endless loop of +1 favours developin. A "daisy chain" if you will)

+1 for that daisy chain.  Though Pro is no longer around here.

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I'm sore

[ThePerm]

I think graphics are at such a level with Wii U that those smaller 3rd party efforts will be much more enjoyable. Like think about what High Voltage did for Wii and what N-Space did for Gamecube. Those games were B games, but with such powerful hardware I think a decent hungry team could develop a really good game. When Wii U comes out it will be the most powerful console released. It may be in a very Dreamcasty position, but unlike Saturn and Sega, Nintendo is in a much better position. Just wait till they show off Zelda and the Mario Galaxy successor.

I also think that once Wii U hits home public perception of it is going to be extremely positive. Notice something about the lineup. Assasins Creed 3? Zombi U? DarkSiders 2? Mass Effect 3?
Whats Retro making? Whats Monolith Making?

Will Nintendo bailout SK? I'd like Nintendo to put the same sort of effort on Eternal Darkness that Microsoft puts on Halo 4. I could imagine if they decided, eh, lets spend a lot of money on making a game. It's funny how "the Sequel effect" and the right advertising could do for Nintendo. I think it would be well worth the cash for Nintendo to create a game every generation that is massive with a gigantic budget. That might be smash bros though....

[Chozo Ghost]

TJ $pyke

LOL. That's what everyone should call him from now on.

[Sarail]

It may be in a very Dreamcasty position, but unlike Saturn and Sega, Nintendo is in a much better position.

This statement makes me smile all sorts of smiles. The Dreamcast was brilliant, and it was only defeated because of Sony's false (scam) claims of the PS2 being able to bring all sorts of realism via the Emotion processor... blargh. Dreamcast, however, was quite the innovative console - albeit its controller being a tad clunky. VMUs were cool cool cool, though!

But yeah, Nintendo are in a much better position than Sega ever were. And hopefully Nintendo's image perception will change, too - as long as third-parties keep bringing the real goods to the Wii U. CoD, GTA, Mario, and Pokemon are all fully capable of existing under the same roof. "Core" gamers just need to get over themselves.

[Luigi Dude]

Will Nintendo bailout SK? I'd like Nintendo to put the same sort of effort on Eternal Darkness that Microsoft puts on Halo 4. I could imagine if they decided, eh, lets spend a lot of money on making a game. It's funny how "the Sequel effect" and the right advertising could do for Nintendo. I think it would be well worth the cash for Nintendo to create a game every generation that is massive with a gigantic budget. That might be smash bros though....

After Silicon Knights lost their lawsuit against Epic, Nintendo is never going to work with them again.  Of course since Dyack is appealing and will just end up losing again this will result in even more legal fee's building up, meaning Nintendo would have to end up spending millions more taking care of that as well.  Combined with the fact the original Eternal Darkness only sold a few hundred thousand worldwide, makes it a series Nintendo doesn't want to spend millions to fix Dyack's legal mess just to continue.

[Chozo Ghost]

Didn't Silicon Knights stab Nintendo in the back over the Too Human game? Wasn't it like an N64 game originally, and then it pulled a Duke Nukem and moved to the Gamecube, but it never seen the light of day until recently when it came out on the 360. But it was supposed to be a Nintendo title... and from what I heard when it finally did come out on 360 it was a piece of dog **** despite how many years it spent in development.

The only good thing that can be said about Silicon Knights is the name of their studio is pretty kick ass. Too bad the quality of their output doesn't do the same...

[Luigi Dude]

Didn't Silicon Knights stab Nintendo in the back over the Too Human game? Wasn't it like an N64 game originally, and then it pulled a Duke Nukem and moved to the Gamecube, but it never seen the light of day until recently when it came out on the 360. But it was supposed to be a Nintendo title... and from what I heard when it finally did come out on 360 it was a piece of dog **** despite how many years it spent in development.

The only good thing that can be said about Silicon Knights is the name of their studio is pretty kick ass. Too bad the quality of their output doesn't do the same...

No because Nintendo basically told Silicon Knights they weren't going to fund Too Human anymore since Silicon Knights couldn't make up their mind on how the game would play.  Nintendo likes to have clear visions with their games before they allow them to be made.  This is why if you read the Iwata Ask interviews, you'll see that some Nintendo games spend years in just the planning stages before actual development starts.

In the case of Too Human, Silicon Knights was mostly focused on just the story and wanted to start development based around just that and would eventually figure out some kind of gameplay to go with it which is a huge NO when it comes to Nintendo.  If you look at the final product on the 360, you can tell Silicon Knights never did figure out how they wanted the game to play either and it's a mess, which shows Nintendo made the right choice all along in having no faith in the game because of how Silicon Knights trying to develop it.

[Ian Sane]

Instead of bailing out SK, couldn't Nintendo just try to buy the Eternal Darkness IP from them?  With SK owing legal fees up the ass I'm sure they could use the money.

Of course ED is really just a Lovecraft clone (I don't mean that as a bad thing).  It wouldn't be hard for Nintendo to just make their own Lovecraftian horror game series that works as a spiritual successor to ED.  ED doesn't really have iconic characters or anything like that.  Hell the game constantly changes playable characters throughout.  Surely you can just make your own scary game with a sanity meter and Cthulu inspired elder gods.