Topic: Wii U Wont Collect Dust

[Chozo Ghost]

They can go with a name which is close enough that it is nearly identical, yet different enough to prevent lawsuits. Like, how about "Eternal Twilight" for example?

Hmmm... Eternal Darkness + Twilight... not sure if want...

P~9

[Adrock]

If Nintendo had to have their arm twisted to release Xenoblade here, why would they make a new Eternal Darkness?  I would love it if they made one but I think we're dreaming in vain here.  It is not the type of game that fits Nintendo's current practices.  Unfortunately it's a niche game.

It's not up to Nintendo of America. NCL pays the bills. To use Xenoblade as an example, Nintendo made a point of buying Namco Bandai's entire stake in Monolith Soft then even renamed the game from Monado: Beginning of the World to Xenoblade in honor of Tetsuya Takahashi, creator of Xenogears and Xenosaga. If NCL wants another Eternal Darkness, they'll make it happen.

[Sarail]

If Nintendo had to have their arm twisted to release Xenoblade here, why would they make a new Eternal Darkness?  I would love it if they made one but I think we're dreaming in vain here.  It is not the type of game that fits Nintendo's current practices.  Unfortunately it's a niche game.

Nintendo publishing Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge as a Wii U launch title says otherwise.

[NWR_insanolord]

Bayonetta's probably the better example in this case. You think you have Nintendo pegged and then they go do something that would seem completely out of character. It's one of the things I love about the company, and also one I hate.

[Sarail]

Well, if they truly DO want to become a company that makes games for every type of gamer out there (instead of just games for everyone), then they're on the right track. Publishing Ninja Gaiden and Bayonetta, and then backing it up with marketing and exposure to show they're serious about this affair, will hopefully be the beginnings of Nintendo getting back in to the limelight with core gamers.

Once again. You CAN have your cake and eat it, too.

[rlse9]

Once again. You CAN have your cake and eat it, too.

Completely off topic but I never got the point of this saying.  What would be the point of having cake and not being able to eat it?  Isn't it a given that if you have cake, you're going to eat it?

[ShyGuy]

The bitter irony of life is you spend all your time making cake then die before you can eat it.

[MrPhishfood]

Completely off topic but I never got the point of this saying.  What would be the point of having cake and not being able to eat it?  Isn't it a given that if you have cake, you're going to eat it?

I initially thought this meant having a birthday cake yet not wanting to share it with anyone, but looking it up it actually means something simpler.

It means you cannot have your cake (as in preserving it) and eat it (as in consuming it)

[Chozo Ghost]

Completely off topic but I never got the point of this saying.  What would be the point of having cake and not being able to eat it?  Isn't it a given that if you have cake, you're going to eat it?

Cakes are also highly decorative and are as pleasant to look at as they are to eat. So you can either look at it and all its prettiness or you can eat it, but once you eat it its gone.

[broodwars]

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[tendoboy1984]

The bitter irony of life is you spend all your time making cake then die before you can eat it.

But... the cake = a lie.


Anyways, as long as a majority of Wii U games look as good as Uncharted 3, then I won't complain. The Uncharted series pushes the PS3 hardware to its limits, and those graphics really are impressive. Everything about the Uncharted series is impressive: the graphics, sound, voice acting, environmental design, etc. The only thing that needs improvement is the gameplay, which is pretty boring and tedious for an action-adventure game.

[Sarail]

Boring? Hah. Three smites for you, sir.

Indiana Jones-ish trap filled levels, puzzle filled rooms, cover-based 3rd-person shooting segments, chase scenes, platforming out the wahzoo, and you think the gameplay is boring?

I'm starting to think you're a bot account - programmed to post rash drivel to stir up this community of fantastic toasters posters.

Well done, sir. But for you... SMITE.

[tendoboy1984]

Boring? Hah. Three smites for you, sir.

Indiana Jones-ish trap filled levels, puzzle filled rooms, cover-based 3rd-person shooting segments, chase scenes, platforming out the wahzoo, and you think the gameplay is boring?

I'm starting to think you're a bot account - programmed to post rash drivel to stir up this community of fantastic toasters posters.

Well done, sir. But for you... SMITE.

You misunderstood what I meant. Running from point A to point B, all the while fighting an onslaught of the same goons over and over and over again is repetitive and tedious.

As I said in my earlier post, the graphics, sound design, puzzles, environmental set design, voice acting, music, plot, character development, etc. are all fantastic. Naughty Dog has quickly become one of my favorite developers, next to Nintendo and Retro Studios. The studio could make an amazing movie if they wanted to, that's how good the Uncharted series is.

I just now finished Uncharted 3, and the final part of the game ( escaping the sand-flooded "Atlantis of the Sands" ) is one of the most amazing gaming experiences I've ever encountered. I think the collapsing train segments of Uncharted 2 are better paced, but Uncharted 3 is still a cinematic gaming masterpiece.

Uncharted 1 was a slow start for the series, but Uncharted 2 and 3 ratcheted up the cinematic flair enough to make the series one of the best in the gaming industry.

I'm so glad I bought a PS3 to accompany my Wii. Sony has some amazing talent at their 1st-party studios, and they'd better not let it go to waste (*cough* Microsoft with Bungie and Rare *cough*).

PS: I love the series' music so much that I bought the Uncharted 2 and Uncharted 3 soundtracks on iTunes.

[Sarail]

You misunderstood what I meant. Running from point A to point B, all the while fighting an onslaught of the same goons over and over and over again is repetitive and tedious.

Nope, I understood what those words meant. I'm quite versed in the English language.

So, you're saying Super Mario Bros. is boring then? Point A to point B.. constantly pouncing on the same baddies over and over...

[tendoboy1984]

You misunderstood what I meant. Running from point A to point B, all the while fighting an onslaught of the same goons over and over and over again is repetitive and tedious.

Nope, I understood what those words meant. I'm quite versed in the English language.

So, you're saying Super Mario Bros. is boring then? Point A to point B.. constantly pouncing on the same baddies over and over...

No because Super Mario Bros. takes skill, and the timer is against you every step of the way. With the Uncharted series, you just run from one area to the next, shooting every baddie that moves. It's quite easy to dispatch a dozen goons just by taking cover and aiming.

I still love everything else about the Uncharted series, especially the music, graphics, set design, voice acting, presentation, character development, plot, etc. Just because I find the actual gameplay to be a bit tedious doesn't mean other aspects of the games are bad. The series AS A WHOLE is phenominal, and one of the best examples of cinematic gaming done right.

Naughty Dog is to Sony as Retro Studios is to Nintendo: An indispensable partner that has proven it's worth time and time again.

Get it now?

I just wish/hope Retro Studios would make an Uncharted-type series for Nintendo. That would be amazing. And if they got Nolan North to voice the main character, bonus points!

The PS3 is quite possibly one of the best gaming systems I've ever owned. The library of games is fantastic, and (most of) the 1st-party Sony exclusives are top-notch.

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Now back to the Wii U.

I really hope Nintendo can convince Rockstar to bring GTA V to the Wii U. Nintendo had the balls to fund and publish Bayonetta 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge, which was very surprising, given this is Nintendo that we're talking about. Because of this, I have high hopes that they can lure in other big AAA games. Nintendo seems serious about their "core" gamer support this time around; it's almost as if Nintendo and Microsoft switched places!

[Evan_B]

I honestly can't believe anyone could find enjoyment in the telegraphed puzzles and linear, repetitive gameplay of Uncharted. That game is more of a movie than an interactive experience. As long as any Nintendo franchise can keep its core gameplay mechanics intact and offer less-linear gameplay than that series, I don't care what it looks like- it'll be just fine if they all resemble Pikmin 3 level graphics, instead.

I honestly hope Nintendo can make something more impressive than Uncharted- graphically and I'm the same gameplay vein- though topping that series' gameplay won't be that hard. I just want people's expectations for a high-end, "cinematic" experience to be raised a bit.

Ooooh. I just made a bold statement.

[tendoboy1984]

I honestly can't believe anyone could find enjoyment in the telegraphed puzzles and linear, repetitive gameplay of Uncharted. That game is more of a movie than an interactive experience. As long as any Nintendo franchise can keep its core gameplay mechanics intact and offer less-linear gameplay than that series, I don't care what it looks like- it'll be just fine if they all resemble Pikmin 3 level graphics, instead.

I honestly hope Nintendo can make something more impressive than Uncharted- graphically and I'm the same gameplay vein- though topping that series' gameplay won't be that hard. I just want people's expectations for a high-end, "cinematic" experience to be raised a bit.

Ooooh. I just made a bold statement.

But that feeling of playing through an interactive movie is what makes the Uncharted series so great. Who cares if it's linear? A majority of the story-based games out there are linear.


Speaking of story-driven games, is anyone excited for Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zero? It looks fantastic; the CG cutscenes and actual gameplay blend so well together, it's hard to tell them apart.

[Caterkiller]

Have you all seen Halo 4? I figure if the 360 can pull that off Wii U is in for some great looking games.

Someone on these boards said some games have matched and surpassed Toy Story visuals. Please for the love of god show me that! At least what games are considered to have reached that? With like no jaggies, great AA and the works.

[Adrock]

I didn't care much for Drake's Fortune. Among Thieves is simply one of my favorite games ever. Drake's Deception is Uncharted 2 with some tweaks and refinements here and there. It's good for the same reason Among Thieves is good, but it's not as good because it was more of an extension of what made 2 so good. Also, Uncharted 3 had 3 of the worst sequences in a good video game I've seen and Among Thieves has nothing even close: the drug trip, wandering around the desert, and fighting the Djinn. I enjoyed Uncharted 3, but I traded it in last night.

[tendoboy1984]

I didn't care much for Drake's Fortune. Among Thieves is simply one of my favorite games ever. Drake's Deception is Uncharted 2 with some tweaks and refinements here and there. It's good for the same reason Among Thieves is good, but it's not as good because it was more of an extension of what made 2 so good. Also, Uncharted 3 had 3 of the worst sequences in a good video game I've seen and Among Thieves has nothing even close: the drug trip, wandering around the desert, and fighting the Djinn. I enjoyed Uncharted 3, but I traded it in last night.

The drug trip was terrible, yes, but wandering around in the desert was obviously influenced by "Laurence of Arabia", which I fail to see how that's a bad thing.


The Djinn were pointless, I agree with that. Why would a demonic spirit need to fight with guns? Logic? I think the only reason they were added into the game was to give it a supernatural twist, like how Uncharted 1 had demonic zombie Nazis and Uncharted 2 had undead tribal warriors in the final level.

[Adrock]

wandering around in the desert was obviously influenced by "Laurence of Arabia", which I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

I can only speak for myself. Being influenced or inspired by something doesn't automatically make something entertaining and as such, I didn't find aimlessly wandering around a desert to be entertaining. I get the effect Naughty Dog was going for. I just didn't think it was fun.

[Chozo Ghost]

You misunderstood what I meant. Running from point A to point B, all the while fighting an onslaught of the same goons over and over and over again is repetitive and tedious.

Replace "goons" with "ghosts" and you've just described Pac-Man (your avatar).

[broodwars]

I've had a really "up and down" relationship with the Uncharted series.  I disliked Uncharted 1 due to its monotonous flow, where you really just moved from one wave-based goon room to the next.  However, I really liked Uncharted 2 since it mostly got rid of the goon rooms & opened up the level design to allow you to stealth your way through rooms.  The set pieces were also much more impressive.  However, I really disliked Uncharted 3, finding it spectacularly boring as it returned to the wave-based goon rooms of the first game.  Plus, the story is one of the worst-told ones in the entire series, with a villain who's in the game so rarely they're barely in the game.  Plus, there's several unwanted supernatural elements to that game, one of which is never explained (the tarot card guy).

Once again, though, I really ended up enjoying Golden Abyss on the Vita, finding it something of a middle ground between what Uncharted 1 and Uncharted 2 were trying to do.

[EasyCure]

If Nintendo had to have their arm twisted to release Xenoblade here, why would they make a new Eternal Darkness?  I would love it if they made one but I think we're dreaming in vain here.  It is not the type of game that fits Nintendo's current practices.  Unfortunately it's a niche game.

edit: so I spent way too long trying to post this and due to some browser issues, lost all the text I had written up. Perhaps if I have the time and energy, I'll re-write my long-winded post about how to turn a new Eternal Darkness into a successful game despite being niche

[tendoboy1984]

Have you all seen Halo 4? I figure if the 360 can pull that off Wii U is in for some great looking games.

Someone on these boards said some games have matched and surpassed Toy Story visuals. Please for the love of god show me that! At least what games are considered to have reached that? With like no jaggies, great AA and the works.

Halo 4 is impressive, considering Halo 3 looked like Halo 2 on steroids (slightly better, but not pushing the hardware). I don't think Halo 4 will sell as well as the older games, considering most people like Call of Duty and Battlefield now.

I just wish Microsoft would diversify their portfolio. They rely too much on Halo, Forza, and Gears. Sony pumps out new franchises all the time, so why isn't Microsoft being as diligent with their 1st-party studios? Look at what they did to Rare, forcing them to make Kinect games, instead of using their talents to make the next Kameo, Killer Instinct, or Viva Piñata.