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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #100 on: July 13, 2012, 05:49:39 PM »
Nintendo still prefers personal interaction of players over non-personal interaction.  They prove it again with the Wii U and the gamepad being like a 5th controller in many games.  They want games to bring people together, not use humans as a more sophisticated AI substitute.  This is why Pokemon RPGs have not been a top priority for their home consoles.  It's why they push streetpass so much.  They reward players for meeting up in person over just playing over the internet.  I think if the industry hadn't forced Nintendo to create the Nintendo Network, we'd still be stuck with an internet strategy closer to the Wii than the Wii U sounds like it will be.

I still don't expect a mainline rpg Pokemon on the Wii U because of this, unless they allow the ability to take the gamepad with you places and have streetpass-type abilities.  If that is announced, I fully expect a Pokemon RPG on the Wii U.

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« Reply #101 on: July 13, 2012, 06:16:14 PM »
Another big reason we haven't gotten a console Pokemon RPG is because Nintendo doesn't have any studio's that can make one.  Gamefreak is a 2D developer with little experience with developing 3D games.  All Nintendo's other RPG makers are 2D developers with little 3D development as well.  The only RPG studio Nintendo has that can actually make 3D games is Monolith Soft and they didn't buy them until 2007.  Of course I don't think Monolith Soft wants to become Pokemon maker for the rest of their lives so that isn't going to work either.

Now they tried with Genius Sonority to make a studio that could handle a 3D console Pokemon game and even put a small RPG mode in their Gamecube games.  The problem is Genius Sonority ended up being a pretty poor quality studio that Nintendo ended up being unhappy with which is why they've cut the budget to the studio and only use them to make low budget handheld games now.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #102 on: July 13, 2012, 07:20:37 PM »
No wonder we haven't gotten another stadium type game in forever! Who made the first two stadiums anyway? Those were better quality then all the other 3d Pokemon games put together. Except for Snap of course.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #103 on: July 13, 2012, 07:27:03 PM »
I think the whole thing is as simple as this.  Nintendo wanted some Pokemon game on the N64 but didn't really have the time and resources to do a full-on RPG so we got Pokemon Stadium - and it sold really well and Nintendo realized that they don't HAVE to try all that hard with Pokemon.  The Pokemon franchise has the lowest consistent quality of all Nintendo IP.  They KNOW that Poke-rubes will buy practically any bullshit with Pikachu on the cover so they don't try that hard because they don't have to.  As long as the main Pokemon series on the handhelds maintains a high level of quality the brand will stay strong enough that the spin-offs can be half-baked bullshit.

Pokemon doesn't need this dream game we all want to remain profitable.  Looking at it entirely from the perspective of the Pokemon franchise and not Nintendo as a whole, Pokemon doesn't need to be any better than it already is to make a lot of money.  And with the Wii being so successful it's been a while since even Nintendo as a whole really needed this Pokemon RPG to sell systems.  Their attitude is probably that they need not bother unless it is required to keep the franchise or Nintendo themselves afloat.

Even before the Wii or the DS, or any talk of casuals or non-gamers, and even before Iwata was in charge and Reggie worked for Nintendo, Pokemon was the one Nintendo IP that was considered the exception to their otherwise high standards of quality.  The attitude from even the biggest Nintendo fans was that "Nintendo doesn't make lousy games... except for the Pokemon spin-offs."  It was the one franchise were it seemed like Nintendo was openly lazy about it.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #104 on: July 13, 2012, 07:33:58 PM »
Personally, I bought the original Pokemon Stadium to finally be able to play Pokemon legally w/ that copy of Yellow I mentioned earlier.  I never did own the original Game Boy, and was exposed to Pokemon on emulators.  But the ability to use the Transfer Pak to play a version of Pokemon on my TV with a controller was rather irresistible at the time (bear in mind that this was years before Nintendo released the Game Boy Player).  Unfortunately, who could have guessed that buying that game would lead Nintendo to treating their consoles as Pokemon shovelware machines?  But hey, we want more than shovelware spin-off titles from the Pokemon franchise on consoles.  We're just too "insatiable".
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #105 on: July 13, 2012, 08:14:30 PM »
In fact, I often have a hard time imagining being part of the crowd that support Pokemon as is even in its main titles. Ruby/Sapphire were the last Pokemon games I honestly enjoyed...
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« Reply #106 on: July 13, 2012, 08:38:40 PM »
I know a few people who are impossible to satisfy...

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« Reply #107 on: July 13, 2012, 08:58:05 PM »
If Nintendo is scared to tackle a Pokemon RPG then they're not ballsy. They could put Game Freak level graphics on the Wii U, just make it bigger and have a much more structured online portion, and people would eat it up.

I understand Nintendo's drive to have experiences that bring people together and not as much co-op gameplay, but if that's the case, they need SOMEONE to step in and make some online games for their consoles. That's not to say it hasn't been done already, but they need exclusive content that really helps their online shine. I mean, the reason people have been nailing them for so long is because they just don't have their online game down- and applications like Miiverse may be their answer to bringing gamers together socially and in a "Demon's Souls" type of manner, but they need to kind of grow as a company and realize that when you have such a wide group of people playing your consoles across the globe, you can connect them a bit more than from house to house.

That being said, yes. Gamers are impossible to satisfy. Just like people. However, if we're impossible to satisfy, we should make games ourselves, that cater to our likes. But that's never going to happen.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #108 on: July 14, 2012, 07:48:47 AM »
I know a few people who are impossible to satisfy...

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #109 on: July 14, 2012, 07:07:19 PM »
The heart of the problem is that Reggie has been shown to be not very good at his job. He is the President of NOA and for some inexplicable reason he is still doing the job his marketing department should be doing for him. His background is marketing, so every problem and solution is marketing. In turn he has transformed NOA into a large marketing department.

The problem with his statement is not that he called out gamers as insatiable. It's How he when about it. He did his Alpha male routine once again, but the illusion was lost years ago and he comes off like a bitch. This would have never happened back in the Perrin Kaplan days. She is an absolute master in telling you nothing. She would get her hands dirty mid E3 on the show floor and take a full battery of relatively hard questions in an uncontrolled situation, coming out smelling of roses.

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The customer is not always right, but how you handle it is key. Reggie picked the second worse way to handle it short of outright insulting them by backhanding it. Disarming it with a sexual inuendo would have been a far better choice, though not too family friendly. He fails to recognise it wasn't just Pikmen, it has been his ongoing performance at NOA. If NOA is to be nothing more than a oversized, glorified marketing department, they need to find someone more agile, more knowledgable, more in touch, figuratively and literally(Hair touching may not be appropriate in a male on male context unless you are a primate picking lice). Someone with balls on the inside or the outside.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #110 on: July 14, 2012, 08:47:47 PM »
Awesome to know there are more Perrin Kaplan fans out there. I miss the days when Nintendo PR had honest to god jedi mind trick powers.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2012, 12:33:05 AM »
Good grief, I miss Perrin. After rewatching this interview.... man, Reggie sucks.

Seriously, have Nate Bildhorf host Nintendo's press conferences from now on. Reggie is so devoid of any emotion or care for the product that Nintendo presents. Get him off the stage... now.

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« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2012, 01:33:13 AM »
Reggie is awesome. I pity da fools.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2012, 01:48:36 AM »
Am I alone in not really knowing the folks who run Microsoft and Sony?  I mean, obviously, I know Bill Gates - but he doesn't seem to do much with the gaming division.  Then, I follow Kaz Hirai's fake Twitter account... but, aside from that, I don't really know any MS/Sony people...

Just some random guy on the internet who has a different opinion of games than you.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2012, 02:13:32 AM »
There is... uh.... That douchey guy at MS in charge of Xbox. what was his name?

Also, Sony has Jack Tretton, also a douche.

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« Reply #115 on: July 15, 2012, 02:13:45 AM »
Besides Kaz Hirai and Ken Kutaragi (who "retired" but it seemed more like he got Stone Cold Stunned from his high ranking position at SCEI because PS3 crawled out of the gate with broken legs), I know who Jack Tretton is. He's pretty much SCEA's Reggie. If people hate Reggie, they should detest this guy. He is usually the guy who runs their press conferences and gives major interviews for the game's division.

I'm not sure who the face of Microsoft's game division since Peter Moore left for EA. On top of that, Seamus Blackley, J. Allard, Robbie Bach, and Ed Fries all left Microsoft. The only person who's still involved with Microsoft's day-to-day operations that I recognize is Steve Ballmer and that's mostly because he's crazy. Bill Gates is Chairman of Microsoft but my understanding is that he hasn't really been too involved with the company in over 4 years. He's been focusing mostly on philanthropy.

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« Reply #116 on: July 15, 2012, 02:15:14 AM »
What is J Allard up to these days? I miss that Moby looking SOB.

According to his Wiki, he is semi-retired. I can't blame him.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #117 on: July 15, 2012, 02:19:29 AM »
Don Mattrick! That's the MS douche. Also, does Major Nelson still work for them?

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #118 on: July 15, 2012, 03:05:52 AM »
I know who Jack Tretton is. He's pretty much SCEA's Reggie. If people hate Reggie, they should detest this guy. He is usually the guy who runs their press conferences and gives major interviews for the game's division.

I wouldn't go that far. I find Jack Tretton at least a somewhat tolerable public speaker, whereas Reggie's "slow the delivery down to a Shatner-esque crawl as if reading bullet points for idiots" approach really grates on me.  I've also heard at least traces of humility and pride in his company's products from Jack Tretton over the years.  I'm really not sure the two are that comparable.

Also, last time I checked people weren't calling for Jack Tretton's head on a pike for refusing to bring games to the PS3 in NA...
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« Reply #119 on: July 15, 2012, 03:17:09 AM »
Go type in "Jack Tretton is a" into Google and follow the suggestions.

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« Reply #120 on: July 15, 2012, 03:18:22 AM »
Also, does Major Nelson still work for them?

Yeah. He seems cool.
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #121 on: July 15, 2012, 12:11:28 PM »
i thought Ed Fries was great public speaker, and he recently programmed Halo 2600
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Re: Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime Says Gamers are Impossible to Satisfy
« Reply #122 on: July 16, 2012, 10:23:07 AM »
How is don Matrrick a douche? I got a used car salesman vibe from him but never a docuhy one. And mi rosoft has a few notable people.

Steve Ballmer
Joe Belforie
 Steven Sinofsky
major nelson

And J allard bailed after Microsoft rejected the currior. I know he was mad but in hindsight it would have flopped hard.
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