Topic: PlayStation4 - News/Rumor/Speculation - Over 1 Million Sold on Day 1

[lolmonade]

So GAF is at DEFCON two over PS4 RAM rumors.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634711

Will the new gaming darling have its first fail? Will GAF prove itself to be a wretched hive of scum and villiany? Will Shingi cancel his preorder and double down on the ONE?

Wouldn't be surprised if true.  After they announced the system would be $400, there's no way they could have released it with the original specs unless Sony was willing to take a huge loss on each system, something they're not really in a position to do with their ongoing financial problems.  Cutting the specs is the only way selling at $400 was going to be remotely possible without taking a huge loss.

Reading through the final pages of that thread, it seems like it was smoke but no fire.  I think people can put down the pitchforks for the time being.

[broodwars]

So GAF is at DEFCON two over PS4 RAM rumors.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634711

Will the new gaming darling have its first fail? Will GAF prove itself to be a wretched hive of scum and villiany? Will Shingi cancel his preorder and double down on the ONE?

Wouldn't be surprised if true.  After they announced the system would be $400, there's no way they could have released it with the original specs unless Sony was willing to take a huge loss on each system, something they're not really in a position to do with their ongoing financial problems.  Cutting the specs is the only way selling at $400 was going to be remotely possible without taking a huge loss.

Reading through the final pages of that thread, it seems like it was smoke but no fire.  I think people can put down the pitchforks for the time being.

Indeed. In order for Sony to actually fulfill the number of pre-orders they've been allowing retailers to take in, they had to have been manufacturing the PS4 for at least a month now, if not since late Spring.  If there was a change in the RAM, we would have heard about it by now.

[lolmonade]

So GAF is at DEFCON two over PS4 RAM rumors.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634711

Will the new gaming darling have its first fail? Will GAF prove itself to be a wretched hive of scum and villiany? Will Shingi cancel his preorder and double down on the ONE?

Wouldn't be surprised if true.  After they announced the system would be $400, there's no way they could have released it with the original specs unless Sony was willing to take a huge loss on each system, something they're not really in a position to do with their ongoing financial problems.  Cutting the specs is the only way selling at $400 was going to be remotely possible without taking a huge loss.

Reading through the final pages of that thread, it seems like it was smoke but no fire.  I think people can put down the pitchforks for the time being.

Indeed. In order for Sony to actually fulfill the number of pre-orders they've been allowing retailers to take in, they had to have been manufacturing the PS4 for at least a month now, if not since late Spring.  If there was a change in the RAM, we would have heard about it by now.

Hey, someone who understands the physical limitations of production/scheduling/supply chains! 


Absolutely.  Unless they had found a way to keep it well under wraps, a spec change would have had to occur a while ago when you consider the time it takes to work with a vendor to create schedules for components.

[shingi_70]

Sony announced their Gamescom conference for August 20th, 7PM CET. More info on launch games mixed with new announcement. I know they won't do it but I wouldn't even mention the PS3 at this confrence and focus solely on PS4/Vita.


With indies being the big point of the day Polygon did some digging and found out how much it costs to develop for PS4.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/24/4553842/so-how-much-does-it-cost-to-develop-for-playstation-4


Dev Kits costs $2500 but currently Sony has been giving Dev Kits away for free on a one year loan basis. Its pretty smart. You have a ot of developers making games for the system now and they'll use the money they make off the store to purchase in full a dev kit.

[ShyGuy]

So apparently the PS4 news was devs can only use 4.5 of the  8gb GDDR5 RAM. XBone gives games 5gb I believe.

[broodwars]

So apparently the PS4 news was devs can only use 4.5 of the  8gb GDDR5 RAM. XBone gives games 5gb I believe.

I really wonder if that's going to make any difference in the long-term.  Multiplatform games were always going to be essentially the same, and Sony's developers have turned-out some amazing-looking games on the PS3 despite its RAM limitations compared to the 360.  Plus, while the PS4 allocates more memory to the OS, the PS4's DDR5 RAM is supposedly faster than the Xbone's DDR3 RAM, so that probably makes up the difference by itself.

I will say this, though: if the OS is going to reserve nearly half the system's RAM, it had better be ****ing awe-inspiring and lightning fast.  For instance, I'd hope for no more 3 minute load times to get into the PS Store.  And hopefully a large chunk of that RAM is dedicated to managing background downloads and patches so I don't have to care about them anymore, as Sony made that a big point of their PS4 reveal back in February.

[Ceric]

As I said on twitter.  3.5 GB is more then what Windows needs to be snappy and that is with much slower ram and not fixed hardware.  That number can't be right.  Unless their using the Memory as a Buffer pool for the Video stuff...

[Soren]

Nov. 15 NA
Nov. 29 EU

[Ceric]

Awesome Birthday for me. 

Nov. 10th Titan's game 30-40 yard lane row k bottom section.
Nov. 15th PS4
Nov. 25th Cake/Pie

Awesome

[pokepal148]

As I said on twitter.  3.5 GB is more then what Windows needs to be snappy and that is with much slower ram and not fixed hardware.  That number can't be right.  Unless their using the Memory as a Buffer pool for the Video stuff...

its most likely thats the case in my opinion.

[broodwars]

Well, Sony had a good GamesCom: they showed a lot of Vita stuff (though no big Sony games on the level of Tearaway or Killzone Mercenary), they showed some interesting Indie stuff, they made fun of the Xbox One-Eighty, and they announced a Nov. 15 release date for the PS4. Not a great showing, but a good one. I'm definitely interested in Rime, at least.

Oh yeah, and the Vita got a much-needed price cut to $199, along with "significant discounts" on memory cards. That'll help.

[Phil]

That was incredibly boring. I guess those types of games just do nothing for me anymore.


Plus, them continually talking about indies and spotlighting them like Nintendo made me laugh when someone on my Twitter feed say it's like the both of them saying "hey, look at my black friend!"


EDIT: Games are games. I don't care the budget or the developer.

[shingi_70]

That was incredibly boring. I guess those types of games just do nothing for me anymore.


Plus, them continually talking about indies and spotlighting them like Nintendo made me laugh when someone on my Twitter feed say it's like the both of them saying "hey, look at my black friend!"


EDIT: Games are games. I don't care the budget or the developer.

Sony has been spotlighting indes way before nintendo and having more indies proves that. While it does seem like that if you don't follow them that much. Alot of indie guys are friends with adam and Shaid and usually get talks started on twitter or when they were hanging out.


I will say the big problem is sony is coasting. Good but not great showings and winning off of gamers liking them more. Microsoft has had great showings with really great news but becuase they burned gamers they always come up short.


I was hoping on some more tradtional games for both consoles. Vita I was oping for some PS2 style rpgs and Platformers.

[Ceric]

I think Sony is coasting because it can.  Next year will be another story.

[magicpixie]

I think Sony is coasting because it can.  Next year will be another story.

I hope so, for both consoles.  I bought a 360 about 6 months after launch, and even then the library was fairly thin.  The same was true for the PS3(to me, at least) and I bought that well after the death of the original BC model.  I get occasional twitches of excitement for the launches of both consoles, and then I remember what launches are usually like.  I'm good with what I've got for now, and my PC will still handle multiplats.

[Pixelated Pixies]

After much deliberation (or is that consternation at the financial cost?) I've decided to keep my PS4 pre-order. Other than Knack, there's still not a whole lot at launch that interests me, but I am excited for Second Son and feel enthused about the approach Sony is taking to indies. As with all launches it's a gamble, but I guess that's part of the fun.
 
I should say that typically once I invest in a system it's to the detriment of all other consoles. That's partly to do with cost (there are too many games that interest me that to own multiple consoles would render me destitute) but also to do with attention span. There's usually only room for one console in my life.
 
...
 
I guess this is my way of saying that I'm probably not going to pick up a Wii U this generation.

[NWR_insanolord]

I keep going back and forth over whether I'm going to keep my preorder. Most of the games coming at launch I can also get on PS3. I'd double dip on FIFA 14 if I wouldn't lose all my progress from two months on the PS3. Also, that $400 could be put to better use around that time. Even still, it's hard to talk myself out of all the launch excitement.

[shingi_70]

I keep going back and forth over whether I'm going to keep my preorder. Most of the games coming at launch I can also get on PS3. I'd double dip on FIFA 14 if I wouldn't lose all my progress from two months on the PS3. Also, that $400 could be put to better use around that time. Even still, it's hard to talk myself out of all the launch excitement.

EA announced that all your Fifa progress can be shared between the two.



I think Sony is setting up the Playstation ecosystem to kill Steam (or at least the steambox).

[NWR_insanolord]

You can share FIFA Ultimate Team stuff, which I don't care about, but you can't move your career mode files over, so I'd have to start over with all that.

[shingi_70]

Isn't seasons the career mode?

[Phil]

That was incredibly boring. I guess those types of games just do nothing for me anymore.


Plus, them continually talking about indies and spotlighting them like Nintendo made me laugh when someone on my Twitter feed say it's like the both of them saying "hey, look at my black friend!"


EDIT: Games are games. I don't care the budget or the developer.

Sony has been spotlighting indes way before nintendo and having more indies proves that. While it does seem like that if you don't follow them that much. Alot of indie guys are friends with adam and Shaid and usually get talks started on twitter or when they were hanging out.


I will say the big problem is sony is coasting. Good but not great showings and winning off of gamers liking them more. Microsoft has had great showings with really great news but becuase they burned gamers they always come up short.


I was hoping on some more tradtional games for both consoles. Vita I was oping for some PS2 style rpgs and Platformers.

No, I know that Sony has been proactively going after indies long before Nintendo. I'm just saying they're both spotlighting them in a way that seems unappealing to me.


EDIT: I hope that is more clear! 

[NWR_insanolord]

It's the seasons of Ultimate Team. The graphic you posted specifically says it's for Ultimate Team, which, again, I've never really cared about.

[Ceric]

*shrug*
I'm getting a PS4 because my PS3 has served my family faithfully and with few problems.

[Pixelated Pixies]

Can anyone render an opinion about Sony's launch hardware? That's my only real concern. Having never owned a Sony console, I'm not sure if their hardware is reliable at launch. I'm perfectly happy to buy at launch provided I can be assured that the thing will still work 3 years down the line.

[Ceric]

Can anyone render an opinion about Sony's launch hardware? That's my only real concern. Having never owned a Sony console, I'm not sure if their hardware is reliable at launch. I'm perfectly happy to buy at launch provided I can be assured that the thing will still work 3 years down the line.

My PS3 is near Pre-Revision from launch.  It was a known problem that it needed extra cooling so mine with everyday use and the 3rd party fan has been going strong over 6 years.