Topic: PlayStation4 - News/Rumor/Speculation - Over 1 Million Sold on Day 1

[TJ Spyke]

PS+ has never given you "free" games, they let you borrow games. Xbox Live Gold has started actually GIVING you games you OWN.

And I did answer, but the Sony fanboy in you ignored me.

[broodwars]

PS+ has never given you "free" games, they let you borrow games. Xbox Live Gold has started actually GIVING you games you OWN.

From where I stand, PS+ lets me "borrow" games for as long as I actually care about them, and so long as I have the service (which is a given considering you need it for PS4 multiplayer), I'll have access to those games for another 5-6 years. After that, I'm not likely to care about them, but if I do there's always the "cheap physical purchase off Amazon" route. But hey, who am I to argue with the staying power of free copies of Halo 3...*snicker*...and...*snort*...Assassin's Creed 2? *laughs loudly*

And I did answer, but the Sony fanboy in you ignored me.

If you think I can't criticize Sony when they deserve it (and just as much as Microsoft and Nintendo), you obviously haven't listened to as many episodes of NFR as you claim to have done.     I just think you at best vaguely answered the question, and were more replying to my original opinion that the PS4 has better overall value than the Xbone.

I'm genuinely curious just what excites you about the thing, its services, and its overall software lineup. Right now, it does nothing for me outside of Remedy's game (and that's mainly because I really liked Alan Wake), and I'll probably be able to eventually play Quantum Break on PC anyway. I stopped playing Halo 4 halfway through, and what I've played of the Gears trilogy wasn't exactly promising. From where I stand, Microsoft never figured out how to develop a good 1st party game on the 360, and it doesn't look like that will change on the Xbone, at least so far.  Both the PS4 and Xbone will likely have more or less the same 3rd party support, if not favoring the PS4. Given that, the lineup of 1st party titles will more more important than every, and Microsoft was thoroughly outclassed by Sony in that regard on the PS3 (and that seems to be the case once again so far PS4 vs. Xbone).

[TJ Spyke]

I didn't say I am excited about Xbox One (I don't plan to get one anytime soon), I just see even less value in the PS4. And Crackdown (a first party MS game) was a GREAT sandbox game, Forza Motorsport is a better series than Gran Turismo. I dont care much for the Halo games (though they aren't bad). Fable II was really good. And if I want a multi-platform game, the Xbox 360 version is the better choice to me because the DualShock controller is trash and the PS4 looks to be the same.

[BlackNMild2k1]

So the PS4 is rumored to be $399 & XBone is $499 right?

and the PS4 has more ram and more power at a lower price, right?

So assuming the above is correct, and all the 3rd parties support each of the 2 equally, outside of trying to keep my hypothetical Live account & love for very specific exclusive IP's (Halo, KI3, ect.), why would I choose an Xbone over a PS4?

I know why you would chose one of those over a Wii U, but why choose one over the other?

[tendoboy1984]

Better games? LOL, that is a joke. PS+ is only better in that you get discounts on games (the actual service is not better), and it is no longer gonna be free. As for indie games, 90% of the indie games on consoles are pure crap anyways. I would say both 360 and PS3 have an equal amount of GOOD indie games. As for value, if the Xbox One can have the same amount of value as Xbox 360 (which it looks like it will), then the One will have better value unless you specifically want Sony first party games.

Sony has cloud-based backwards compatability through Gakai; Microsoft has zero backwards compatibility at all.
 
Sony has a large advantage over Microsoft with this feature and the $100 cheaper price. And no mandatory camera either.

[tendoboy1984]

I didn't say I am excited about Xbox One (I don't plan to get one anytime soon), I just see even less value in the PS4. And Crackdown (a first party MS game) was a GREAT sandbox game, Forza Motorsport is a better series than Gran Turismo. I dont care much for the Halo games (though they aren't bad). Fable II was really good. And if I want a multi-platform game, the Xbox 360 version is the better choice to me because the DualShock controller is trash and the PS4 looks to be the same.

What makes Forza a better sim racer than Gran Turismo? They both serve the same purpose.
 

PS4 is rumored to be $399

Not rumored anymore. Sony announced that price at their E3 conference.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I completely missed E3 this year and didn't spend the hours reading the internets to play catch up.
So excuse me if I'm a little behind the times.... it's not usually like this, I swear.

[broodwars]

Sony has cloud-based backwards compatability through Gakai; Microsoft has zero backwards compatibility at all.

To be fair to the Xbone, I'm not buying Sony's Gaikai promises any more than I buy Microsoft's "Infinite Power of THE CLOUD" promises. Neither company has proven the application of their respective services yet, and given the cynical nature of the internet we probably aren't likely to see a demonstration anyone would believe until launch.

[tendoboy1984]

So does anyone else think Microsoft will bring back their restrictive DRM policies?

[BlackNMild2k1]

seriously, what does the Xbone have that the PS4 doesn't that justifies the $100 price difference.
what would make me(or anyone), on a technical level, buy a XBone over a PS4?

[Adrock]

seriously, what does the Xbone have that the PS4 doesn't that justifies the $100 price difference.
what would make me(or anyone), on a technical level, buy a XBone over a PS4?

One includes Kinect; PS4's camera is optional.

Not sure why you would pick One over PS4 other than your preference of first party software. I think PS4 has better hardware, but you probably won't notice much difference in third party games.

[BlackNMild2k1]

and Kinect is still required to be connected and powered on to use the XBone, correct?

I remember hearing something about Kinect sensing the # of people in the room and blocking you from using media or something like that. was that real or imagined? just a joke maybe? because that can't be serious. (maybe I should be asking this question in the XBone thread....)

[BranDonk Kong]

PS3 has shipped more, not sold. The only places PS3 outsold 360 is in Japan and a few countries in Europe. Unless Sony does something major, I don't see any compelling reason to pick a PS4 over a One.

Shipped and sold more. In the US it's either a dead heat or Sony is slightly ahead at this point.

[BranDonk Kong]

I didn't say I am excited about Xbox One (I don't plan to get one anytime soon), I just see even less value in the PS4. And Crackdown (a first party MS game) was a GREAT sandbox game, Forza Motorsport is a better series than Gran Turismo. I dont care much for the Halo games (though they aren't bad). Fable II was really good. And if I want a multi-platform game, the Xbox 360 version is the better choice to me because the DualShock controller is trash and the PS4 looks to be the same.

From what I've read, the PS4 controller is the best controller ever (though I've never used it, obviously), and developers are saying that for multiplayer games, they will all perform better on PS4 - but hey, you've already made up your mind after playing both consoles for a total time of zero seconds, 5 months before they launch, so no need to argue rationale here.

[TJ Spyke]

PS3 has shipped more, not sold. The only places PS3 outsold 360 is in Japan and a few countries in Europe. Unless Sony does something major, I don't see any compelling reason to pick a PS4 over a One.

Shipped and sold more. In the US it's either a dead heat or Sony is slightly ahead at this point.

How is it a "dead heat" in the US when the Xbox 360 has been the best selling console for the last 29 MONTHS and even before that (when Wii was #1) it consistently outsold PS3? Last time I checked, you can't be "slightly ahead" when the other console has been outselling you every month for years. And the most recent confirmed numbers I can find have the Xbox 360 still ahead worldwide in SOLD systems.

brandogg, the biggest problems with the DualShock design (like the placement of the analog sticks) continues in the PS4. And best controller ever? LOL, that is the funniest thing ive ever heard.

[Adrock]

and Kinect is still required to be connected and powered on to use the XBone, correct?

I remember hearing something about Kinect sensing the # of people in the room and blocking you from using media or something like that. was that real or imagined? just a joke maybe? because that can't be serious. (maybe I should be asking this question in the XBone thread....)

I believe so.

I think Microsoft filed that patent. It's not a thing yet, but it could be one day which is kind of bogus.

[NWR_insanolord]

PS3 has shipped more, not sold. The only places PS3 outsold 360 is in Japan and a few countries in Europe. Unless Sony does something major, I don't see any compelling reason to pick a PS4 over a One.

Shipped and sold more. In the US it's either a dead heat or Sony is slightly ahead at this point.

How is it a "dead heat" in the US when the Xbox 360 has been the best selling console for the last 29 MONTHS and even before that (when Wii was #1) it consistently outsold PS3? Last time I checked, you can't be "slightly ahead" when the other console has been outselling you every month for years. And the most recent confirmed numbers I can find have the Xbox 360 still ahead worldwide in SOLD systems.

brandogg, the biggest problems with the DualShock design (like the placement of the analog sticks) continues in the PS4. And best controller ever? LOL, that is the funniest thing ive ever heard.

People who have actually used the new Sony controller (i.e. not you) have said very favorable things about it compared to the Xbox One controller, which seems to be for all intents and purposes the 360 controller again. The DS4 is similar to the DS3, but the tweaks they've made sound like they address most of my complaints with the old ones.

[Oblivion]

I hope it natively supports PC's.

[BranDonk Kong]

How is it a "dead heat" in the US when the Xbox 360 has been the best selling console for the last 29 MONTHS and even before that (when Wii was #1) it consistently outsold PS3? Last time I checked, you can't be "slightly ahead" when the other console has been outselling you every month for years. And the most recent confirmed numbers I can find have the Xbox 360 still ahead worldwide in SOLD systems.

brandogg, the biggest problems with the DualShock design (like the placement of the analog sticks) continues in the PS4. And best controller ever? LOL, that is the funniest thing ive ever heard.

Simple: magic.

The IDC report from this year puts Sony ahead in consoles sold, not just shipped, and that was from January.

[TJ Spyke]

Even if u use January numbers, 360 was ahead 77 million to 75 million.

And u did not say how you think ps3 could be close or even ahead in the US when Xbox 360 has outsold it for several consecutive years?

[Oblivion]

Because it's now selling more? And is it that hard to use the word "you", especially when you use it in a sentence with words like "consecutive"?

[BranDonk Kong]

I told you, magic. I believe the January IDC report had Microsoft at 70.0 million sold (not shipped) and Sony at 70.2 million sold (not shipped). In the end Microsoft still had a 1 year, 10 million console advantage. They still have the 1 year advantage, but the 10 million console difference is completely go e.

[TJ Spyke]

Because it's now selling more? And is it that hard to use the word "you", especially when you use it in a sentence with words like "consecutive"?

Did you even read what I said? How can the PlayStation 3 be close to or ahead of the Xbox 360 in the UNITED STATES (which is what Brandogg said) when the Xbox 360 has been the best selling console in the United States for the last 29 months? In the 79 months that both Xbox 360 and PlayStation have been available, PS3 has outsold it 8 times (January 2008 by 39K, February 2008 by 26K, May 2008 by 20K, June 2008 by 186K due to a MGS4 bundle selling about 220K, July 2008 by 20K, September 2009 by 139K after a price cut, October 2009 by 71K, December 2009 by 50K). The other 69 months the 360 outsold the PS3 in the US.


The IDC report (I looked it up) was about shipped systems, not sold.

[BranDonk Kong]

At this point it doesn't matter much if you're talking shipped or sold. A system shipped is essentially a system sold this far into the console life cycle. The 70 million and 70.2 million sold figures come from Microsoft and Sony, respectively (as of September 2012). Some sites mention shipped systems, some mention sold when citing the IDC report, apparently no one wants to actually purchase the report as it costs $4,500.

Back to the point - The PS4 is $100 cheaper than the Xbox One instead of $200 more, it's launching at the same time instead of a fully year later, and it is more powerful with developers saying every game will look better (this matters to a lot of people) on PS4 from day one. If history is any kind of indication, this adds up to Sony dominating the next generation. Sure, you don't have any intention of buying one (I wonder if you can use almost any USB controller on PS4 like you can with PS3, since the DS4 will be so horrible), so it shouldn't matter to you anyway.

I'm just glad that I haven't already completely made up my mind five months before playing either console.

[TJ Spyke]

Sony says they have "sold" 75 million as of December 31, 2012. Xbox 360 about 77.2 million as of March 31.

Developers also said the PS3 versions of games would look best. Instead, almost every game looked the same on both (some looked even better on 360) and some games just flat out ran worse on PS3. So I wouldn't expect PS4 games to look any better than One games. And Sony's history of the last 7 years shows they will not dominate, as nothing they have done as helped them be #1 with any system.

Sony has never wowed me with their systems. The PSP was OK, but other than that, no. And it's never been good enough for me to game on it much other than the occasional rare exclusive I like. The PS4 may get good enough for me to eventually buy one, but no time soon.