Topic: PlayStation4 - News/Rumor/Speculation - Over 1 Million Sold on Day 1

[BranDonk Kong]

I'd have to disagree with the D-Pad hating...Sony's D-Pad's are great for 2D fighting games. Pulling off a Fatality in any Mortal Kombat is nearly impossible with a 360 controller. Nintendo's D-Pads are definitely the best though, except for the inexcusably small GameCube D-Pad.

[NWR_insanolord]

I kind of like the Wii U layout. Certainly more comfortable for me to have both on top than both on the bottom. Either that or the 360 layout is fine by me, I don't really care either way.

[Ian Sane]

I never liked the PS1 & 2 controllers but the Dualshock 3 won me over big time.  The PS controllers always felt very cheap but the Dualshock 3 felt sturdy and well constructed.  It's d-pad was still split but felt responsive and accurate and they made the prongs shorter and the whole thing actually felt ergonomic for a change.  If the PS4 one is as good as the PS3 then it will be a great controller.  The only beef I have with the design now is that they use shapes for the button names which I have always found confusing and unintuitive.  I suck a QTEs for example because if the game yells out "triangle" I have NO CLUE what button that is.  I've never gotten used to it.  I have to look down to figure out which button is which.  Typically in a videogame I stop thinking of a button as "A" but rather as "jump" or "shoot" but when instructions are on the screen I'm thrown off.

The Wii controller was one of the WORST controllers I've ever used so the days of Nintendo fans making fun of Playstation controllers is long over.  There is no greater sin for a controller than being unresponsive to the player's input and the Wii remote is a huge offender.  However Kinect is probably the worst videogame controller ever.

[pokepal148]

The Wii controller was one of the WORST controllers I've ever used so the days of Nintendo fans making fun of Playstation controllers is long over.  There is no greater sin for a controller than being unresponsive to the player's input and the Wii remote is a huge offender.  However Kinect is probably the worst videogame controller ever.

the n64 controller is pretty bad.
honestly the wii motion controls are kinda flinicky but they work. if your having problems the game is either poorly programed for them or the sensor bar/sensitivity settings probably aren't set up correctly.

but i think were forgetting something...

[Shorty McNostril]

I have NO CLUE what button that is.

It's easier to think of them as numbers.  Count the lines.

O = 1 line
X = 2 lines
â–² = 3 lines
â–¡ = 4 lines

I am assuming that is the logic that went into it.  Still making it more complicated then it needed to though.

[nickmitch]

Actually, the buttons have meanings.

Side note: We've had this EXACT conversation before.

[EasyCure]

Actually, the buttons have meanings.

Side note: We've had this EXACT conversation before.

True. I found myself about to chime in until I realized I had this conversation before and wasn't worth the effort to type all that on my mobile.

Never knew about the meanings though.

[Oblivion]

It's muscle memory, and the same with every controller. Who cares what the symbols are? It's just as arbitrary as ABXY. I'm sure if you were a Sony and Microsoft guy and hardly touched a Nintendo controller you'd be just as confused.

[broodwars]

It's muscle memory, and the same with every controller. Who cares what the symbols are? It's just as arbitrary as ABXY. I'm sure if you were a Sony and Microsoft guy and hardly touched a Nintendo controller you'd be just as confused.

Yeah, I have to admit that I play games on Nintendo platforms so infrequently these days that I sometimes have trouble remembering which button is A and which is B, and which is X and which is Y (the button pairs are in the reverse order on the 360 controller). You eventually just get used to it again.

[pokepal148]

so the entire conversation has devolved into this

[broodwars]

so the entire conversation has devolved into this

OK, that was actually pretty funny.  :D

[stevey]

You're insane. The original XBox controller is the worst controller of the past 15 years, second worst is the Dreamcast controller. I'd say next is the original Wii Classic Controller (mainly because it has to be tethered to a WiiMote).

Really? The Dreamcast controller and the original Xbox huge controller are my top 2 favorite controllers of all time.

[pokepal148]

sony is doing a great job hyping their system if were talking about controllers.

i like the og classic controller... it has its share of flaws(i don't view being tethered to a remote as bad if the tether comes out the other way) but they did controller that feels like the ones of days past(and remains my choice for VC even though i own a pro)

[ThePerm]

yeah the wii u controller is the same as the super nintendo layout, which bothers me because I never had a super nintendo. I went nes, genesis, n64, gamecube

[Spak-Spang]

The Perm...your picture makes me realize...how much I miss the buttons around the A button design of the Gamecube.

Sure, it wasn't useful for fighting games, but I wonder if there is a way to change that.  Make a controller that has shapes for the buttons, but can still be used for a fighting game. 

[Ceric]

The Perm...your picture makes me realize...how much I miss the buttons around the A button design of the Gamecube.

Sure, it wasn't useful for fighting games, but I wonder if there is a way to change that.  Make a controller that has shapes for the buttons, but can still be used for a fighting game. 

You don't make a controller for "Fighting Game"  that crowd has their own Custom sticks.  Just make a way for them to make Fight Sticks and call it a day.

[shingi_70]

PS4 is going to wipe the floor with Xbone this Holiday season. Even if I end up with an Xbone i'll probably recoomend the PS4 in store and too friends.

[Spak-Spang]

Ceric True.  But it got me thinking.

You could easily keep the 4 button layout and size of a traditional controller, but then take one button to be the main action button.  And keep that button round maybe slightly, slightly bigger than the other buttons.  And then have the other 3 buttons circles with a slight curved bean-ish shape indicating where it is to the main button.  This could easily be felt while playing and could allow buttons to be slightly closer together to make it easier to push multiple buttons together. 

You could even do this with six buttons and make the primary button the Middle bottom button. 

I think controller designs could still be perfected and improved with some imaginative thinking.

[TJ Spyke]

Shingi, I don't think the PS4 will do much better than Xbox One (if at all). The only real issues with the system have already been removed by Microsoft (having to check in every 24 hours, and no used games). Without those issues, it becomes even harder to recommend a PS4 to anyone.

[Adrock]

PS4 is still $100 cheaper. That's a major advantage.

[BranDonk Kong]

Shingi, I don't think the PS4 will do much better than Xbox One (if at all). The only real issues with the system have already been removed by Microsoft (having to check in every 24 hours, and no used games). Without those issues, it becomes even harder to recommend a PS4 to anyone.

PS4 will dominate the next generation. DOMINATE. Xbox 360 had a 1 year (and around 10 million consoles sold) advantage over PS3, and PS3 has overtaken Xbox 360's total sales (by about 5 million systems now). Now they come out at the same time, and the PS4 is $100 cheaper than the Xbox One (instead of $500 or $600 for PS3 vs $300 or $400 for Xbox 360).


Like Bill Clinton said, it's "arithmetic."

[TJ Spyke]

PS3 has shipped more, not sold. The only places PS3 outsold 360 is in Japan and a few countries in Europe. Unless Sony does something major, I don't see any compelling reason to pick a PS4 over a One.

[broodwars]

PS3 has shipped more, not sold. The only places PS3 outsold 360 is in Japan and a few countries in Europe. Unless Sony does something major, I don't see any compelling reason to pick a PS4 over a One.

Besides, you know...better games; better services (PS+); better support from Indie developers; and overall better value, right?  I'm actually fascinated to know just what makes you think there's a compelling reason to pick up an Xbone over a PS4.

[TJ Spyke]

Better games? LOL, that is a joke. PS+ is only better in that you get discounts on games (the actual service is not better), and it is no longer gonna be free. As for indie games, 90% of the indie games on consoles are pure crap anyways. I would say both 360 and PS3 have an equal amount of GOOD indie games. As for value, if the Xbox One can have the same amount of value as Xbox 360 (which it looks like it will), then the One will have better value unless you specifically want Sony first party games.

[broodwars]

Better games? LOL, that is a joke. PS+ is only better in that you get discounts on games (the actual service is not better), and it is no longer gonna be free. As for indie games, 90% of the indie games on consoles are pure crap anyways. I would say both 360 and PS3 have an equal amount of GOOD indie games. As for value, if the Xbox One can have the same amount of value as Xbox 360 (which it looks like it will), then the One will have better value unless you specifically want Sony first party games.

PS+ has never been free, but it has offered more for $50 a year than XBox LIVE Gold has provided for $60 a year. Free games, substantial discounts, early access to new release games, Beta access, etc. And yes, both services will be required for multiplayer next generation on their respective platforms as well.

But hey, if you don't want to or can't answer my question of why you would pick an Xbone over a PS4 (outside fanboy loyalty of course, which you would have to have to imply that Microsoft can go toe-to-toe with Sony on 1st party games quality), that's cool too.