Topic: PlayStation4 - News/Rumor/Speculation - Over 1 Million Sold on Day 1

[Louieturkey]

It sounds like the PS4 will be about on-par with the current generation of PCs.  Considering what they are capable of, I don't really see that being a problem.  Besides, it was unlikely that the next generation Playstation was going to be that far ahead of modern PCs anyway, especially after how much money Sony lost on the Cell.

If the PS4 will be as good as current pcs, then in 2013 when it launches, it'll be 2-3 CPU/GPU generations behind.

[tendoboy1984]

It sounds like the PS4 will be about on-par with the current generation of PCs.  Considering what they are capable of, I don't really see that being a problem.  Besides, it was unlikely that the next generation Playstation was going to be that far ahead of modern PCs anyway, especially after how much money Sony lost on the Cell.

If the PS4 will be as good as current pcs, then in 2013 when it launches, it'll be 2-3 CPU/GPU generations behind.

And how is that surprising or bad? Game consoles have always been less powerful than PC's. Console manufacturers use a base set of specs and keep it that way throughout the console's lifecycle. This makes it easier for developers to make games, since they won't have to constantly update their games for the newest hardware.


Also, tablets, handhelds, and other mobile devices are less powerful than PC's too, yet no one complains about that.

[Louieturkey]

It sounds like the PS4 will be about on-par with the current generation of PCs.  Considering what they are capable of, I don't really see that being a problem.  Besides, it was unlikely that the next generation Playstation was going to be that far ahead of modern PCs anyway, especially after how much money Sony lost on the Cell.

If the PS4 will be as good as current pcs, then in 2013 when it launches, it'll be 2-3 CPU/GPU generations behind.

And how is that surprising or bad? Game consoles have always been less powerful than PC's. Console manufacturers use a base set of specs and keep it that way throughout the console's lifecycle. This makes it easier for developers to make games, since they won't have to constantly update their games for the newest hardware.


Also, tablets, handhelds, and other mobile devices are less powerful than PC's too, yet no one complains about that.

I didn't say it was bad. It's the way things go.  I was just stating a fact, although I think it's more likely to be on par with last year's PC specs.   Even if they use the 7000 radeons as the base, they won't use the 7970, which is the most powerful and costs $550 at the moment.  Even in two years, the same or equivalent card in the 8000 or 9000 series will be no less than $300 most likely.  So while it will be on par with midrange graphics cards today, those midrange cards, in two years, will be the budget cards($90-150).
Bringing up tablets and other mobile devices, those are updated 1-2 times a year with better specs, so it is not a good comparison.  And most people who buy tablets don't care about the power.  They care about if it will update their twitter feeds and facebook accounts and play Angry Birds and how long the battery will last.

[nickmitch]

Like he said, nobody asks a tablet to do anything too taxing. And most developers know how to optimize whatever app they make to the specs of a tablet. Yeah, it's cool to have a tablet with all the bells and whistles, but you gotta ask yourself at the end of the day what it's doing with all those specs.

[Louieturkey]

Like he said, nobody asks a tablet to do anything too taxing. And most developers know how to optimize whatever app they make to the specs of a tablet. Yeah, it's cool to have a tablet with all the bells and whistles, but you gotta ask yourself at the end of the day what it's doing with all those specs.

Infinity Blade II looks better than any game on the Wii and holds up well against many PS360 games on the ipad.

[nickmitch]

Good point, but that's the pinnacle of optimizing software to fit hardware restrictions.

[Oblivion]

Like he said, nobody asks a tablet to do anything too taxing. And most developers know how to optimize whatever app they make to the specs of a tablet. Yeah, it's cool to have a tablet with all the bells and whistles, but you gotta ask yourself at the end of the day what it's doing with all those specs.

Infinity Blade II looks better than any game on the Wii and holds up well against many PS360 games on the ipad.

Better resolution does not equal better textures, polygon, and other graphics.

[tendoboy1984]

Like he said, nobody asks a tablet to do anything too taxing. And most developers know how to optimize whatever app they make to the specs of a tablet. Yeah, it's cool to have a tablet with all the bells and whistles, but you gotta ask yourself at the end of the day what it's doing with all those specs.

Infinity Blade II looks better than any game on the Wii and holds up well against many PS360 games on the ipad.

Better resolution does not equal better textures, polygon, and other graphics.

Infinity Blade 1 and 2 have all of those things, and they use the Unreal 3 Engine, the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

[TJ Spyke]

the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

Slight exaggeration, but it probably is the most used engine (about 60 retail and XBLA arcade games use it).

[nickmitch]

Going from 60 retails and XBLA games to the majority of 360 games is a little more than a "slight" exaggeration, lol.

[tendoboy1984]

the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

Slight exaggeration, but it probably is the most used engine (about 60 retail and XBLA arcade games use it).

You mean 60% right? Because there are a lot more than 60 games that use the Unreal Engine 3.

[TJ Spyke]

the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

Slight exaggeration, but it probably is the most used engine (about 60 retail and XBLA arcade games use it).

You mean 60% right? Because there are a lot more than 60 games that use the Unreal Engine 3.

No there isn't. It's a little higher than 60, but less than 80. That is still quite a large number though, higher than any other engine this gen

[Chozo Ghost]

It may not be the majority of modern retail games that use Unreal engine (or some variant), but it could very well be a majority of the most popular games. Take the COD series, for example. Each year the latest COD game breaks sales records set by the COD before it, but if you look at the engine it uses it is based off a fork of Unreal engine.

A console's total software library will consist of hundreds of games, but in the end there's only maybe 100 or so of that which sell in significant amounts and anyone cares about. Maybe only 60-80 games use Unreal, but how many of those are within the top 100 games? There's a **** load of games like Elf Bowling and stuff like that which I'm sure don't use Unreal, but do these games matter? Nobody cares about shovelware games. They may make up the majority of games period, but they do not make up the majority of games which anyone gives a crap about.

[tendoboy1984]

the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

Slight exaggeration, but it probably is the most used engine (about 60 retail and XBLA arcade games use it).

You mean 60% right? Because there are a lot more than 60 games that use the Unreal Engine 3.

No there isn't. It's a little higher than 60, but less than 80. That is still quite a large number though, higher than any other engine this gen

I'd love to see your source to back up those numbers.


EDIT: What's with the + / - numbers under my avatar?

[nickmitch]

That's our karma system. Good posts get you pluses, bad ones get you minuses.

[TJ Spyke]

the same engine that powers a majority of PS3/Xbox 360 games.

Slight exaggeration, but it probably is the most used engine (about 60 retail and XBLA arcade games use it).

You mean 60% right? Because there are a lot more than 60 games that use the Unreal Engine 3.

No there isn't. It's a little higher than 60, but less than 80. That is still quite a large number though, higher than any other engine this gen

I'd love to see your source to back up those numbers.


EDIT: What's with the + / - numbers under my avatar?

Here is a good source of them (I tried Epic Game's website, but they only list some of the Unreal Engine games): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3

[broodwars]

That's our karma system. Good posts get you pluses, bad ones get you minuses.

To be more accurate, when fellow posters decide that your opinion doesn't jive with their own, they give you minuses.  When you tow the company line and tell people what they want to hear, you get pluses.  Seriously, it's not worth the effort trying to care about the system, so just ignore it when possible.

[TJ Spyke]

I've learned from experience that if you say something that goes against the general opinion, you will get lots of smites (like when I said I supported the PS3 hackers getting in trouble for it). Not always true, but sometimes. You will be able to applaud/smite others once you have 1,000 posts.

[Chozo Ghost]

Honestly, I think some people just throw smites out of spite towards a person and they'll use any post they find by that person to do it. It has nothing to do with the post itself, and the smiter may even agree with it. They just hate the target and want to do this petty pathetic thing to them for whatever reason.

[Oblivion]

What's even more pathetic is complaining about it.

[Louieturkey]

I throw them out to watch the numbers grow.  I find it funny when I hit applaud for Chozo as it actually at one point ended up adding to his minus.  I think it's different now, but I thought it was funny.  Plus,  since two negatives equal a positive, Chozo is actually at a +29 at this point.

[NWR_insanolord]

What's even more pathetic is complaining about it.

+1

[Chozo Ghost]

What's even more pathetic is complaining about it.

+1

-1

[tendoboy1984]

This thread got off-topic quickly.


*dowses all the fanboys with water*


Now listen here, you. We need to get this here thread back on track. Now hop to it lads!

[oohhboy]

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?"
--Kaz Hirai, CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment

Has Sony learned from this or are we expecting PS4 to be business as usual? It's anti-used game stance isn't going to win them any customers. Going AMD means Bulldozer and it's attendent shortcomings. Vita shows Sony has no clue or game.

Smit Tendoboy1984 for bad postings.