Topic: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!

[Chozo Ghost]

They probably figure whatever Sony fans that were going to jump ship have probably already done so and at this point whoever is left is probably not going to leave so appeasing them doesn't matter.

That said, that Blog entry was very brusque.

[broodwars]

They probably figure whatever Sony fans that were going to jump ship have probably already done so and at this point whoever is left is probably not going to leave so appeasing them doesn't matter.

That said, that Blog entry was very terse.

True, though it can certainly affect my purchasing decisions.  I just recently picked up Killzone 3, and I rather loved the game so I'm more inclined to check out other Sony shooters.  I'm kind of interested in SOCOM 4, a game in a series I've never played but looks kind of interesting.  Despite my not caring much for Sony as a company, I do really enjoy gaming on my PS3 so I'm not going anywhere, but it does mean that I might choose to not pick up borderline games like SOCOM 4 if Sony decides to be like this, or maybe I'll purchase it used so Sony gets no cash out of it (sadly, neither would the developers).  Maybe I'll completely ignore Resistance 3, especially because I didn't enjoy Resistance 2 all that much.  I could cut back my PSN purchases, or shift them to XBL entirely since I own all 3 consoles.

There are any number of things that PS3 fans can do to punish Sony that doesn't involve doing anything illegal or jumping ship to Microsoft.  They would be wise to not throw away what little goodwill their fanbase has left for them.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Looks like Sony won't be catching a break anytime soon. Don't expect to see a live stream come E3 from any Sony source.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/05/30/pbs-hacked-after-critical-wikileaks-show/

LulzSec, which has previously taken responsibility for hacking Sony BMG’s Japanese website, has promised more attacks against Sony soon. “Phase 1 will begin within the next day,” the LulzSec twitter feed read just before announcing the PBS hack, following up on its warning from Friday: “We’re working on another Sony operation…it’s the beginning of the end for Sony.”

They don't say what they are gonna do, but the most public way to hurt them right now is to mess with their press coverage during E3, make headlines during E3 and prevent Sony from capitalizing off of E3, so I just assume any Conference coverage won't be coming from any official Sony source.

[Chozo Ghost]

I said before (probably in this thread) that I think it would be funny if someone were to run up to Kaz Hirai during E3 while he's making a speech and pull his pants down in front of everyone, or throw a pie at him or something... that would be funnier and take more balls than hacking from the safety of your parent's basement. If you want to embarrass Sony, that's a way to do it without screwing with innocent consumers and developers.

[UncleBob]

Ten cents says that the haxxors somehow actually mess with the footage being displayed on stage.

Forget giant enemy crabs... giant penis!

[broodwars]

Looks like Sony won't be catching a break anytime soon. Don't expect to see a live stream come E3 from any Sony source.

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/05/30/pbs-hacked-after-critical-wikileaks-show/

LulzSec, which has previously taken responsibility for hacking Sony BMG’s Japanese website, has promised more attacks against Sony soon. “Phase 1 will begin within the next day,” the LulzSec twitter feed read just before announcing the PBS hack, following up on its warning from Friday: “We’re working on another Sony operation…it’s the beginning of the end for Sony.”

They don't say what they are gonna do, but the most public way to hurt them right now is to mess with their press coverage during E3, make headlines during E3 and prevent Sony from capitalizing off of E3, so I just assume any Conference coverage won't be coming from any official Sony source.

So, anyone still saying these hackers aren't terrorists?  This bunch hacked into PBS' servers and messed with stuff because they didn't like a broadcast on Wikileaks, and then they warned PBS not to run contrary to their views again.  I hope PBS runs another anti-hacker broadcast just to show these scum that they can't be intimidated.

As for the supposed attack on Sony, as Chozo said these hackers aren't just scum, they're pitiful cowards.  It's easy to put on such bravado when you don't think you'll get caught and punished.  I hope for all our sakes that whatever security Sony's been putting into their infrastructure now holds.

[NWR_insanolord]

Ten cents says that the haxxors somehow actually mess with the footage being displayed on stage.

Forget giant enemy crabs... giant penis!

That would be awesome. Especially since it doesn't hurt anyone except Sony, and it just publicly humiliates them.

[UncleBob]

So, anyone still saying these hackers aren't terrorists?  This bunch hacked into PBS' servers and messed with stuff [...]

Source that these are the same people?

As for the supposed attack on Sony, as Chozo said these hackers aren't just scum, they're pitiful cowards.  It's easy to put on such bravado when you don't think you'll get caught and punished.

History is full of people who use the dark of the night to shield their identity for both good and bad reasons.

I mean, I don't see you including you name and phone number in your posts calling these hackers names.
 

I hope for all our sakes that whatever security Sony's been putting into their infrastructure now holds.

"All our sakes"?  Doesn't matter one way or another to me.

[BlackNMild2k1]

So, anyone still saying these hackers aren't terrorists?  This bunch hacked into PBS' servers and messed with stuff [...]

Source that these are the same people?

I can confirm that it's the same people. Give a few and I'll provide a link.

edit:

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/05/30/pbs-hacked-after-critical-wikileaks-show/

I already provided the link.....
the excerpt I posted was just the Sony part of it, the actual story was about the PBS hack.

[broodwars]

I mean, I don't see you including you name and phone number in your posts calling these hackers names.

If these hackers are anywhere near as smart as they think they are, they don't need me to post such information.  They'd already have it.  And if this batch is the same that hacked PSN, they already do.

[UncleBob]

I mean, I don't see you including you name and phone number in your posts calling these hackers names.

If these hackers are anywhere near as smart as they think they are, they don't need me to post such information.  They'd already have it.

So, the hackers are cowards for hiding behind the anonymity of the internet when launching their attacks... what does that make you?

[UncleBob]

So, anyone still saying these hackers aren't terrorists?  This bunch hacked into PBS' servers and messed with stuff [...]

Source that these are the same people?

I can confirm that it's the same people. Give a few and I'll provide a link.


edit: I already provided the link.....
the excerpt I posted was just the Sony part of it, the actual story was about the PBS hack.

Nothing out there proves it's the same people though.  If I put up a thread in the Funhouse saying "We here at NWR are responsible for the hacks into Sony", does that mean that you, bloodwars and Mop it up were involved?

[broodwars]

I mean, I don't see you including you name and phone number in your posts calling these hackers names.

If these hackers are anywhere near as smart as they think they are, they don't need me to post such information.  They'd already have it.

So, the hackers are cowards for hiding behind the anonymity of the internet when launching their attacks... what does that make you?

My being on the internet and being anti-hacker isn't illegal, and withholding information that could be used by the vermin of the internet against me isn't cowardice but basic common sense.  Hackers like these routinely violate the law, commit harm large and small, and publicly dare their targets to stop their illegal activity.  So yeah, they're cowardly scum who should be left to rot in prison for a decade or two if they're ever caught.  If you have a problem with a company or organization, there are lawful and peaceful ways to show your displeasure that don't hurt millions of innocent customers.

[Stogi]

The lesson that needed to be taught has been taught. Attacking Sony again would undermine any good intentions.

[broodwars]

The lesson that needed to be taught has been taught. Attacking Sony again would undermine any good intentions.

If they are really benevolent hackers that hack to show their targets where they are vulnerable(though this would be an extreme way of doing that) and encourage them to beef up security, that is true.

[UncleBob]

I mean, I don't see you including you name and phone number in your posts calling these hackers names.

If these hackers are anywhere near as smart as they think they are, they don't need me to post such information.  They'd already have it.

So, the hackers are cowards for hiding behind the anonymity of the internet when launching their attacks... what does that make you?

My being on the internet and being anti-hacker isn't illegal, and withholding information that could be used by the vermin of the internet against me isn't cowardice but basic common sense.  Hackers like these routinely violate the law, commit harm large and small, and publicly dare their targets to stop their illegal activity.  So yeah, they're cowardly scum who should be left to rot in prison for a decade or two if they're ever caught.

Not to get too political here (more history than politics), but are you familiar with the Tea Party (Not the new-age one, but the Boston one)?  Guys dressed up as natives, attacked cargo ships and dumped tea in the harbor to protest Britain's laws.

What they did was destructive, illegal and anonymous.

Yet, these people are typically considered heroes.

It simply matters what side of the fence you're on.

And you're completely correct - you're not doing anything illegal.  Which means you don't have law enforcement agencies from all over the world looking for you, like these guys do.

You get to sit behind the safety of your computer and hurl insults and pop shots at large groups of people you don't like because you disagree with the methods of a few of them.  And, chances are, they'll never even know because they likely don't even come to NWR.

[broodwars]

You get to sit behind the safety of your computer and hurl insults and pop shots at large groups of people you don't like because you disagree with the methods of a few of them.

I think the internet has consistently shown us all that there is no such thing as "safety of your computer" with all the hackers, thieves, viruses, and malware that roam it unless you are the one perpetrating the threat.

[BlackNMild2k1]

So, anyone still saying these hackers aren't terrorists?  This bunch hacked into PBS' servers and messed with stuff [...]

Source that these are the same people?

I can confirm that it's the same people. Give a few and I'll provide a link.


edit: I already provided the link.....
the excerpt I posted was just the Sony part of it, the actual story was about the PBS hack.

Nothing out there proves it's the same people though.  If I put up a thread in the Funhouse saying "We here at NWR are responsible for the hacks into Sony", does that mean that you, bloodwars and Mop it up were involved?

But they are a specific group that claimed responsibility. Did you even click the link?

LulzSec, a hacker group, has claimed credit for cracking PBS’s website and leaking its login credentials after an episode of its Frontline show–titled “WikiSecrets”–that put a critical spotlight on WikiLeaks and the suspected source of its troves of classified documents, Bradley Manning.

Later in the same article it mentions that they have been responsible for other attacks on Sony and they in their own words claim to be going after Sony more. so how does that not prove that it was them? Unless you want me to check the code and IP addresses of where the attacks were coming from, then I don't see exactly how you are gonna argue it, unless you have proof that it wasn't them.

[UncleBob]

Whomever is launching these attacks face the about the same hackers, thieves, viruses, and malware that you do.

I guess if it means you're not a coward because of these threats, neither are these guys, right, broodwars?

BlackNMild, I'm not saying it is or isn't the same people - merely pointing out that someone making an anonymous claim on the internet isn't the most reliable source.

[BranDonk Kong]

I hope it's something that happens at the E3 video presentation, though this might not have anything to do with the PlayStation, it could be a coincidence that people are taking action against SONY for their bullshit that they dish out in every department of their existence.

[broodwars]

Sony has finally issued an update on the PSN Store on their Blog, confirming that they have yet again failed to fulfill a restoration date promise by failing to have the service up by the end of May.  Now the official line is "by the end of the week".  Oh joy, even if the PSN store does get restored at the end of the week, I'll be out of town on family business by then till late Monday night.  Good job, Sony!

[GoldenPhoenix]

Sony has finally issued an update on the PSN Store on their Blog, confirming that they have yet again failed to fulfill a restoration date promise by failing to have the service up by the end of May.  Now the official line is "by the end of the week".  Oh joy, even if the PSN store does get restored at the end of the week, I'll be out of town on family business by then till late Monday night.  Good job, Sony!

It boggles the mind how a company can bumble everything they have done so far. If you don't know when your service will be back up, don't give any kind of deadline. It is better to just have it up when it comes up, instead of looking like you can't even keep a simple deadline. When people have products with promised features or content they can't use along with companies getting screwed making games for PSN, there is no excuse for the mishandling of everything. Heck all they would have needed to do is keep people updated on things, and if they were to give time tables just state they are tentative at best, along with squashing any statements about a certain feature being up at a certain time, not on the day of either.

[Dasmos]

"Indefinitely" sounds a whole lot worse than "the end of the week", or whatever. Even if it doesn't end up being the case.

[Halbred]

Sony has finally issued an update on the PSN Store on their Blog, confirming that they have yet again failed to fulfill a restoration date promise by failing to have the service up by the end of May.  Now the official line is "by the end of the week".  Oh joy, even if the PSN store does get restored at the end of the week, I'll be out of town on family business by then till late Monday night.  Good job, Sony!

It boggles the mind how a company can bumble everything they have done so far.

The Phoenix speaks the truth. This whole thing has been a series of unbelievable ****-ups from a giant company who should've known better long ago. Their general attitude has been appalling, too: "**** breaks, you whiners. It's gonna take us some time to build the infrastructure we should've had six years ago." But yeah, this "end of the week" crap is worthless. What was wrong with "end of the month?"

[Chozo Ghost]

Later in the same article it mentions that they have been responsible for other attacks on Sony and they in their own words claim to be going after Sony more. so how does that not prove that it was them? Unless you want me to check the code and IP addresses of where the attacks were coming from, then I don't see exactly how you are gonna argue it, unless you have proof that it wasn't them.

I read the article, and they took responsibility for hacking Sony's BMG site or something or other in Japan. They claimed responsibility for that but not for attacking PSN.... it is very much possible they are the ones who attacked PSN, but all I'm saying is they didn't claim responsibility for that one, so who knows?

Obviously, they are not the only hacker group out there and Anonymous also still remains a potential suspect in that.