Topic: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!

[Plugabugz]

Now people are expecting the end of may? MAY?

[BranDonk Kong]

I wonder if all of this nonsense will cause SONY to have to unban everyone from PSN that's been banned. I could care less, but it would be a nice gesture. Some innocent people have been wrongfully banned (not just the 77 million who were banned last month).

[Plugabugz]

I wonder if all of this nonsense will cause SONY to have to unban everyone from PSN that's been banned. I could care less, but it would be a nice gesture. Some innocent people have been wrongfully banned (not just the 77 million who were banned last month).

LOL imagine the uproar:

UNBAN ME BITCH!

[oohhboy]

I was surprised they announced that they were "Done testing" last week given not only do they have to rebuild the security and literally rebuild the whole server by shifting locations they would have anything inside the first half of this month even with a Manhattan style crash build.

Given how long they took to cobble the original network together, I don't expect it to be finished inside this month unless they want something as shoddy as the old. Not that the CC companies would let them run something like that.

[Chozo Ghost]

There may be 77 million PSN accounts, but there's no way there are 77 million users. Many people have multiple accounts. I only have one, but my neighbor has like a dozen accounts. You also have to consider many accounts were created and just abandoned for whatever reason (such as people selling their PS3 in frustration and buying an xbox360). So the total number of users may be like 50 million or less.

[BranDonk Kong]

Which is not much less of a completely ridiculous number of accounts to get stolen.

[broodwars]

Now people are expecting the end of may? MAY?

That would be pretty unacceptable.  We have L.A. Noire coming next week, and I was really looking forward to playing through the storyline and any DLC quests.  I wish Sony would stop being so vague and just give us a solid date, one way or another.

[Stogi]

I don't think they can give us a solid date simply because they don't know it themselves. It's like building a house. There's going to be delays no matter how well you plan. And in this case, planning isn't the priority.

[bustin98]

They say FULL functionality by the end of May. Some online features could be active before then. I do hope online play is one of them.

[broodwars]

They say FULL functionality by the end of May. Some online features could be active before then. I do hope online play is one of them.

Yeah, I know.  Supposedly, online play/trophies/etc. will be restored before then.  The problem is, we have a major DLC game coming out next week (not to mention the now-massive backlog of PSN games and DLC that haven't been released now), and the 360's going to have defacto exclusivity for it till the PSN Store goes online, so that's a major component of L.A. Noire you just can't access for weeks after the game releases.  I actually wonder how much this mess will hurt the sales of the PS3 version of Noire, considering Sony seemingly paid the devs to release an exclusive case on PS3 that you won't be able to download till the Shop is back online.  Come to think of it, Brink releases tomorrow, and as a major online game I can't see that selling well on PS3 either (no big loss for me since it doesn't appeal to me, but that definitely hurts Sony).

The thing is, I don't mind the waiting all that much.  I do have plenty of stuff to play in the meantime like Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Vanquish, Ar Tonelico 3, etc.  My PSP's been pretty neglected for a good month now as well.  I'm just getting tired of Sony jerking us all around by constantly releasing these vague and indeterminate restoration estimates, and then never following through on them.  If it's going to take till the end of May for PSN to go back online, fine.  Sony just needs to tell us that instead of this whole "we're looking to have it up within a week" or "well, we're looking to have FULL restoration done by the end of May, but some services may or may not be up by then" business.  It just lends credence to all the complaints that Sony has nothing but contempt for their player base.

[BranDonk Kong]

Hmm, I think they said full functionality a couple days after they shut it down. Then they said a week, then another week, then it would be this week, now it's the end of the month. More like end of the road. The best part in all of this - SOE is STILL CHARGING people's accounts while it's down.

[Chozo Ghost]

Now people are expecting the end of may? MAY?

That would be pretty unacceptable.  We have L.A. Noire coming next week, and I was really looking forward to playing through the storyline and any DLC quests.  I wish Sony would stop being so vague and just give us a solid date, one way or another.

They are doing this deliberately. If they said how long it is REALLY going to take people would be more pissed and more people would leave. By stringing people along and saying "just a little longer" and being very vague about it that gives people some hope that it could be back up soon. Of course, that's false hope, but its still hope nonetheless, and Sony is hoping that will keep them hanging on that whole time.

[broodwars]

Hmm, I think they said full functionality a couple days after they shut it down. Then they said a week, then another week, then it would be this week, now it's the end of the month. More like end of the road. The best part in all of this - SOE is STILL CHARGING people's accounts while it's down.

Exactly.  Plus, I don't believe Sony has said anything about reimbursing Playstation Plus subscribers for the time the system has been down.  Sure, they're giving everyone 30 free days of the service (and it is now readily apparently why it was a full month), but I haven't read anything about Sony adding on additional days to my account for the days my paid service has been down in addition to the 30 free days everyone gets.

[Chozo Ghost]

They say FULL functionality by the end of May. Some online features could be active before then. I do hope online play is one of them.

I would be satisfied with the Chat and Sync trophies functionality for the moment. I understand the most complicated and sensitive feature is the PSN store and the ability to do transactions and all that. That's the real concern, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the one thing that's holding everything else up.

But like I said I do think they are giving false and vague forecasts deliberately in order to reassure customers by feeding them bullshit. They probably knew since day one this was going to take a month or more to fix, but they lied and said "just a few more days" then that turned into "sometime next week" and now we're hearing "the end of May". It may even take longer than that. Rebuilding a new online infrastructure from scratch takes time, especially when you fired all your employees and have to hire new ones.

You can't tell the public its going to be down for 2 months (let's assume that's how long it will take). Even though that's the truth, the customers can't handle that truth. So what do you do? You string them along. Tell them it will be up soon and give vague estimates, and then when that time comes and its still not up you say "just a little longer" and so on. This way you keep them hanging on (or so they hope).

[BranDonk Kong]

SONY will only get this **** up and running when they can immediately start making money off of it. They're not going to turn any of the free aspects back on until the money starts coming back in. Make the switch to Xbox Live. Longest it's ever been down is what, a couple of hours?

[Chozo Ghost]

I wish I knew who smited me and why. I'm just telling it like it is... guess some people can't handle that.

[broodwars]

SONY will only get this **** up and running when they can immediately start making money off of it. They're not going to turn any of the free aspects back on until the money starts coming back in. Make the switch to Xbox Live. Longest it's ever been down is what, a couple of hours?

No thanks.  I'd rather not spend $50 $60 a year for online gaming, a feature I never use and should come with your purchase of a given game (you are, after all, paying for more than half a game).  Xbox Live is highly regarded as the best service for online gaming, but I don't game online so I really don't care.  When it worked, PSN served me well for the few times I ever used it for online gaming.  I more miss the shop and being able to sync my trophies.

I wish I knew who smited me and why. I'm just telling it like it is... guess some people can't handle that.

Beats me.  I haven't smited or applauded anyone in ages, and you didn't say anything I find particularly offensive so I don't know why someone would smite you.

[broodwars]

I saw this posted on Joystiq: Apparently, at least one of Sony's PSN servers were using up-to-date Apache software.  Huh.  Note, however, that in reading the comments apparently this investigation was only run on one of the 8 PSN servers.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Xbox Live is highly regarded as the best service for online console gaming

fixed that for you

[BranDonk Kong]

I've never paid more than $35 for 13 months of Xbox Live, and to me, $3 a month to use an online system that never goes down, and never gives away every single user's personal information...is pretty reasonable. Just get a 13 month card when they go on sale, or get one from eBay or sites like buy.com that constantly have huge price cuts on them.

[Oblivion]

I've never paid more than $35 for 13 months of Xbox Live, and to me, $3 a month to use an online system that never goes down, and never gives away every single user's personal information...is pretty reasonable. Just get a 13 month card when they go on sale, or get one from eBay or sites like buy.com that constantly have huge price cuts on them.

Too bad the 360 doesn't have games I want. That's a deal breaker to me. Since the PSN outage hasn't affected me or my wallet, I couldn't care less. I'm happy with Goldeneye Wii til it comes back up. Or hell, maybe I could actually get my homework done for once.

[NWR_insanolord]

I want my baseball rosters, goddammit! The Indians are ranked 28th out of 30 (as opposed to 1st, as they currently are in real life) and missing key players in the disc rosters.

[broodwars]

I've never paid more than $35 for 13 months of Xbox Live, and to me, $3 a month to use an online system that never goes down, and never gives away every single user's personal information...is pretty reasonable. Just get a 13 month card when they go on sale, or get one from eBay or sites like buy.com that constantly have huge price cuts on them.

The thing is, we're back to the problem that there's nothing on the 360 I want to play online, even if I did want to play online.  I got my 360 to play a handful of games like Alan Wake, Tales of Vesperia, the Mass Effect series, and various XBLA games.  I'm satisfied with that, so I'm not paying even $35 a year for a feature I'm not going to use.

On a side note, we're starting to see rumors of an Alan Wake 2, despite how poorly the first game sold.  Yay!   

[Enner]

Xbox Live is highly regarded as the best service for online console gaming

fixed that for you

As much as I will extol the personal computer as a gaming platform, the decentralized and autistic of its online multiplayer can be problematic. There are ways to solve it (Steam, Raptr, Xfire, Comrade, Ventrillo, Skype, etc), but it's difficult to interact with other players with the same ease and comprehensiveness Xbox Live offers. I concede that there's a high chance a person wouldn't want to interact with so many other players, but the ability to would be welcome. It's unfortunate that all the social options in PC gaming don't share some basic universal protocols for chat, notifications, and other things.

[Morari]

It's unfortunate that all the social options in PC gaming don't share some basic universal protocols for chat, notifications, and other things.

TCP/IP?