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Re: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!
« Reply #675 on: May 04, 2011, 03:59:49 PM »
Honestly claiming they did it would make them a Terrorist organization.

Who can claim that Anonymous did it though?  Can't pretty much anyone go in and edit their front page?  You, I, SUPER or Kevin Butler could go in and change their front page to say "Yeah, we hacked SONY.  Suck it, Coppers!"  It doesn't mean anyone (or everyone) associated with Anonymous actually did any hacking.
Yes, that is true.  It be up to Anonymous to refute it and any news organization worth a snot would get on Anonymous representative and directly ask for confirmation.  That's why they where quick to say, "Hey it wasn't us."  You don't want to be possibly viewed in that light in this time.  This whole thing is making the regular news.
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« Reply #676 on: May 04, 2011, 05:35:01 PM »
Annymous my ass. Quick and easy scapegoat is more like it.
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« Reply #677 on: May 04, 2011, 05:47:24 PM »
Annymous my ass. Quick and easy scapegoat is more like it.

If it is so, Anonymous has no one but themselves to blame for that.  You can't issue theatrical threats against Sony, shut down their servers, and stage sit-ins in their stores without expecting to be an easy target for blame and frame.
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« Reply #678 on: May 04, 2011, 08:26:34 PM »
Yes, that is true.  It be up to Anonymous to refute it and any news organization worth a snot would get on Anonymous representative and directly ask for confirmation.  That's why they where quick to say, "Hey it wasn't us."  You don't want to be possibly viewed in that light in this time.  This whole thing is making the regular news.
That's the problem, though - there is no "Anonymous Representative" to talk to.

Think of it this way - you have two teams, the Bears and the Cubs.  They're both sports teams (i.e.: Anonymous).  One team might be doing one thing (playing football) and the other team is off doing another thing (playing baseball).  Sometimes, they might work together (i.e.: a charity dinner for a children's charity).  Sometimes, they might be on opposite sides (who can sell the most tickets...).  Often, they're not even in the same room and have absolutely nothing to do with one another.  Now, you have coaches who can speak to the media and represent the team.

Except, with Anonymous, you don't know who the coaches are.  And there's no way to verify who is and isn't an Anonymous coach.  I could be one.  My boss could be one.  Your own mother could be one.  You don't know and there's (virtually) no way to find out.

And if someone does come forth, claiming to speak for Anonymous, they probably don't.

And even if you did speak to the coach of the Cubs, it doesn't mean he speaks for - or even has the slightest idea - what the Bears are up to.  Hell, he likely doesn't even speak for all the players on his own team.
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« Reply #679 on: May 04, 2011, 09:00:50 PM »
Nothing that Organizes has no Structure.
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« Reply #680 on: May 05, 2011, 12:34:08 AM »
Nothing that Organizes has no Structure.
There is a structure.  It's just informal, not everyone knows what it is and among those that do, not everyone abides by it.

Anonymous isn't organized.  It's chaos mixed with random chance and a dash of Anarchy thrown in for good measure.
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« Reply #681 on: May 05, 2011, 01:07:06 AM »
It appears to me that putting in a twenty digit Wii points code is far better than having your credit card taken over by some hacker.  ;)
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« Reply #682 on: May 05, 2011, 01:12:51 AM »
It appears to me that putting in a twenty digit Wii points code is far better than having your credit card taken over by some hacker.  ;)

I'll take exercising a little personal responsibility and careful observation over having to input my name, address, county, and credit card number every time I want to make a purchase, thanks.  Besides, PSN has those cards as well.  I just never bought them because of having to deal with sales tax.
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« Reply #684 on: May 05, 2011, 01:32:50 AM »
Dr. Spafford? For real? My father knows that guy. Purdue represent.

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According to Spafford, security experts monitoring open Internet forums learned months ago that Sony was using outdated versions of the Apache Web server software, which "was unpatched and had no firewall installed." The issue was "reported in an open forum monitored by Sony employees" two to three months prior to the recent security breaches, said Spafford.

So much for plausible deniability.
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« Reply #685 on: May 05, 2011, 01:52:26 AM »
Notice the date that this thread was created, and notice the date that PSN was shut down. This info has been public knowledge, and clearly SONY knew about it too, but simply didn't give a ****, and rather than fix the situation, they fired 205 employees. I smell the end of the PlayStation nearing.
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« Reply #686 on: May 05, 2011, 06:41:39 AM »
It appears to me that putting in a twenty digit Wii points code is far better than having your credit card taken over by some hacker.  ;)

I'll take exercising a little personal responsibility and careful observation over having to input my name, address, county, and credit card number every time I want to make a purchase, thanks.  Besides, PSN has those cards as well.  I just never bought them because of having to deal with sales tax.

I think I have a solution to your problem:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Playstation-Network-Card-Online/dp/B004RMK4P8/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1304591955&sr=1-2

No tax because its online and no shipping or having to wait for it to arrive because you get the code instantly. You have to use a credit card, but you do that through Amazon and not through Sony and their bullshit security.
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Re: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!
« Reply #687 on: May 05, 2011, 06:46:40 AM »
It appears to me that putting in a twenty digit Wii points code is far better than having your credit card taken over by some hacker.  ;)

I'll take exercising a little personal responsibility and careful observation over having to input my name, address, county, and credit card number every time I want to make a purchase, thanks.  Besides, PSN has those cards as well.  I just never bought them because of having to deal with sales tax.

I think I have a solution to your problem:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Playstation-Network-Card-Online/dp/B004RMK4P8/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1304591955&sr=1-2

No tax because its online and no shipping or having to wait for it to arrive because you get the code instantly. You have to use a credit card, but you do that through Amazon and not through Sony and their bullshit security.
You still get Tax for that in Tennessee.
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Re: PSN = Privacy? Security? Never!
« Reply #689 on: May 05, 2011, 06:57:12 AM »
Notice the date that this thread was created, and notice the date that PSN was shut down. This info has been public knowledge, and clearly SONY knew about it too, but simply didn't give a ****, and rather than fix the situation, they fired 205 employees.

Excellent point. There was a considerable amount of time between when the vulnerability was reported and when it was actually exploited, and the firing of those employees came at the worst possible time because they were needed to fix it up. Its not at all unlike what happened to Enron a decade ago, where the people in charge of the company only care about the short term and don't give a **** about the long term, and they gamble that nothing bad will happen. Much of this is Ken Kutaragi's fault because he was in charge when all of this was designed and set in motion, but he took his golden parachute and bailed.

I smell the end of the PlayStation nearing.

Or at least the PS3 anyway. It should still have years more of life in it because of how powerful it is, but its so severely compromised at this point that its a joke and there's little Sony can do about it. I'm betting this may cause Sony to rush out a more "secure" PS4 and prevent the PS3 from having the 10 year life that they claimed it would.
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« Reply #690 on: May 05, 2011, 09:34:39 AM »
The 10 year life span was a pipe dream anyway. The PS3 already looks dated in many regards. You can't throw in a specialty processor and call it all good for a decade. That's not how hardware works.
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« Reply #691 on: May 05, 2011, 11:18:02 AM »
I smell the end of the PlayStation nearing.

Or at least the PS3 anyway. It should still have years more of life in it because of how powerful it is, but its so severely compromised at this point that its a joke and there's little Sony can do about it. I'm betting this may cause Sony to rush out a more "secure" PS4 and prevent the PS3 from having the 10 year life that they claimed it would.

There were rumors of a PS3.5, this might help make it a reality, but I guess we should see what Nintendo has planned @ E3 before Sony sets anything in motion.

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« Reply #692 on: May 05, 2011, 02:43:23 PM »
If the RAM was upgradeable, I bet it could last 10 years.

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« Reply #693 on: May 05, 2011, 02:50:17 PM »
Wouldn't a PS3.5 break compatibility with the millions of PS3s already sold? I think that would piss off fans even more. That was what happened to Sega when they launched the 32x and then the Saturn soon after and then pulled the plug on the 32x. Fans who had bought the 32x were reasonably pissed that they bought something that was so prematurely abandoned in favor of another 32bit offering from the same company.

Would the millions of PS3 users be happy to find out their PS3 was junk and that they must now buy a PS3.5? I doubt it.
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« Reply #694 on: May 05, 2011, 02:50:24 PM »
It's almost 5 years old, it's completely hacked, it's network is down for the foreseeable future, it's reputation as a brand has been smeared and heavy competition is a year away. I wouldn't be surprised if they launched the PS4 as soon as possible, to simply reset.
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« Reply #695 on: May 05, 2011, 03:00:49 PM »
A PS3.5 and a PS4 are essentially the exact same thing.  Might as well do it right and release a successor instead of a half-assed upgrade.

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« Reply #696 on: May 05, 2011, 03:19:19 PM »
Sony might do well to ditch the Playstation brand name seeing as how its severely tainted at this point. They are naming their next portable NGP as opposed to PSP2, so they might as well call their next console something other than PS4.
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« Reply #697 on: May 05, 2011, 03:23:56 PM »
I actually think it is more the 'Sony' brand name that has been tarnished. Yes it's the games division that has sullied their name, but in all the articles I've read it's "Sony this" and "Sony that".

No, I think they would have a better chance turning the 'Playstation' name around than abandoning it for something else.
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« Reply #698 on: May 05, 2011, 03:26:14 PM »
I actually think it is more the 'Sony' brand name that has been tarnished. Yes it's the games division that has sullied their name, but in all the articles I've read it's "Sony this" and "Sony that".

No, I think they would have a better chance turning the 'Playstation' name around than abandoning it for something else.

I agree.  Most gamers probably aren't even aware of the PS3 hacks.  The one everyone knows and is getting an increasingly bad name is "Sony Playstation Network".  I think even the name "Sony" could probably be turned around due to their products in home video and electronics.  The term "Playstation Network", though, has to go in the next generation.  That branding is possibly un-salvageable after this.
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« Reply #699 on: May 05, 2011, 03:38:12 PM »
Lucky for them, Playstation Network wasn't a great name anyway.
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