Topic: Iwata Talks 3DS Piracy, Health Fears of 3D Gaming

[Halbred]

Nintendo's worried about piracy and they're cleaning up? Don't make me laugh, Iwata. And your show pony wants to charge people for your non-existant online...thing? What's going through your heads?!

The fact that you can just toggle the 3D setting on the 3DS really makes me wonder if it contributes to games or gameplay at all, or is just a useless special feature.

Something tells me that, as irritating as Nintendo is being this generation, they're gonna get hardcore frustrating next generation.

[Spak-Spang]

I dunno.  Nintendo is very slow to move.  They have their own philosophy and do things there way...and sometimes that means they are very slow to move with the times, and make the appropriate decisions to advance in the current market environment.

However, Nintendo has been making smart choices this generation, and are learning hard lessons in the areas they slip up.  The Wii and the DSi have had great success, but also very painful failures and Nintendo seems to be learning from those lessons...

the above statement says nothing to the fact that Nintendo hasn't been studying the market and looking at the future.  Nintendo Japan has already stated that Apple is a serious competitor they are looking at in the future.  Nintendo is looking at the future and I believe they will continue to grow.

Am I foolish to believe Nintendo will magically learn all their lessons at once and make a perfect system with all their previous mistakes corrected?  NO.  I don't...I believe the Wii2 and the 3DS will still have issues, but it will be better.  Actually, I honestly have to say the best system built and the most complete console ever built was the Xbox 360...but even that had problems.   But, the overall product was solid. 

I hope Nintendo looked very hard at Microsoft and what they did right this generation.

[KDR_11k]

Pirating DS games is apparently as easy as buying a flash cart and downloading a torrent with hundreds of DS games. No hacks or soldering. It takes a lot more effort (and bandwidth) to pirate home console games. Additionally there are a lot of people selling counterfeit carts, the buyers of those definitely would have been paying customers if they hadn't been tricked into buying a fake.

Halbred, 3D is a minor feature, most likely the major feature isn't revealed yet (the DS isn't special because it has two screens either).

[SixthAngel]

Nintendo's worried about piracy and they're cleaning up? Don't make me laugh, Iwata. And your show pony wants to charge people for your non-existant online...thing? What's going through your heads?!

They were talking about their future consoles and online plans.  As much as I will never pay for online again they obviously weren't talking about people paying for the current system.  What are you thinking?

The fact that you can just toggle the 3D setting on the 3DS really makes me wonder if it contributes to games or gameplay at all, or is just a useless special feature.

Did anyone really think you wouldn't be able to?

The ability to turn 3d off or on doesn't change anything about 3d.  This is a FEATURE and should cause absolutely no one to worry.  This won't change the 3d in any way.  When something is 3d it doesn't magically eliminate the ability to watch it in 2d.


I hate drm and things that inconvenience me but I feel that Nintendo has done a good job with their antipiracy efforts because it never inconveniences me, the consumer.  They are also talking about the trend of piracy becoming more acceptable to people.  Companies should be worried about this.  All the music companies million dollar lawsuits and drm pc games only seems to make it worse because it makes it seem like they deserve it.  drm can give a legitimate excuse for pirates (locked down, need internet, etc) and the big lawsuits and heavy handedness just makes them seem like assholes who don't deserve the money.

[Kytim89]

The only reason I would ever pirate Nintendo's software is if they were not willing to give me games that I want. What I mean is that Rareware title will never come to virtual console, but if an opprotunity came about where I could put those pirated games onto my wii VC I would probably do it it in a heartbeat.

You're blaming Nintendo for something they legally can't do. Stop being lazy and buy an original Nintendo 64.

The same goes for emulation. I read on craigslist where a guy was advertising that he had modded his wii's hombrew channel to play GC, Dreamcast, Saturn, SEGA CD, PS 1 and 2 games off of an external hard drive. I realize that Sony consoles will never come to Nintendo's VC service, but if this guy has found a way to emulate this hard ware, Nintendo needs to get on the bad wagon and offer it legititmatly so that people will be less inclined to pirate.

Nintendo doesn't care about pirated games that are no longer for sale, or not released on Nintendo systems.

Perhaps I do not want to buy a N64 and hae my room cluttered. Perhaps I just want all of my older games stored on my SD card in digital form. I apologize for bringing up the olde and dated topic of Rare titles on wii, but I just wanted to make a point.
 
I believe Gametap is able to emulate the Saturn. If it can, why is the wii unable to do so?

[KDR_11k]

there's so many games you can still buy legally for dirt cheap there's no real reason to pirate old games just because they aren't available on modern systems.

[broodwars]

The only reason I would ever pirate Nintendo's software is if they were not willing to give me games that I want. What I mean is that Rareware title will never come to virtual console, but if an opprotunity came about where I could put those pirated games onto my wii VC I would probably do it it in a heartbeat.

You're blaming Nintendo for something they legally can't do. Stop being lazy and buy an original Nintendo 64.

The same goes for emulation. I read on craigslist where a guy was advertising that he had modded his wii's hombrew channel to play GC, Dreamcast, Saturn, SEGA CD, PS 1 and 2 games off of an external hard drive. I realize that Sony consoles will never come to Nintendo's VC service, but if this guy has found a way to emulate this hard ware, Nintendo needs to get on the bad wagon and offer it legititmatly so that people will be less inclined to pirate.

Nintendo doesn't care about pirated games that are no longer for sale, or not released on Nintendo systems.

Perhaps I do not want to buy a N64 and hae my room cluttered. Perhaps I just want all of my older games stored on my SD card in digital form. I apologize for bringing up the olde and dated topic of Rare titles on wii, but I just wanted to make a point.
 
I believe Gametap is able to emulate the Saturn. If it can, why is the wii unable to do so?

If you want old Rare titles you can always get a 360 and just buy the updated versions from Microsoft's store, as most of Rare's best titles are already up there.  Nintendo doesn't have the legal rights to Rare titles that didn't use Nintendo characters, and unless Microsoft sells the company back to Nintendo that's not going to change.

[NWR_insanolord]

It's worth owning a 360 just for the updated Perfect Dark on XBLA.

[Kytim89]

The only reason I would ever pirate Nintendo's software is if they were not willing to give me games that I want. What I mean is that Rareware title will never come to virtual console, but if an opprotunity came about where I could put those pirated games onto my wii VC I would probably do it it in a heartbeat.

You're blaming Nintendo for something they legally can't do. Stop being lazy and buy an original Nintendo 64.

The same goes for emulation. I read on craigslist where a guy was advertising that he had modded his wii's hombrew channel to play GC, Dreamcast, Saturn, SEGA CD, PS 1 and 2 games off of an external hard drive. I realize that Sony consoles will never come to Nintendo's VC service, but if this guy has found a way to emulate this hard ware, Nintendo needs to get on the bad wagon and offer it legititmatly so that people will be less inclined to pirate.

Nintendo doesn't care about pirated games that are no longer for sale, or not released on Nintendo systems.

Perhaps I do not want to buy a N64 and hae my room cluttered. Perhaps I just want all of my older games stored on my SD card in digital form. I apologize for bringing up the olde and dated topic of Rare titles on wii, but I just wanted to make a point.
 
I believe Gametap is able to emulate the Saturn. If it can, why is the wii unable to do so?

If you want old Rare titles you can always get a 360 and just buy the updated versions from Microsoft's store, as most of Rare's best titles are already up there.  Nintendo doesn't have the legal rights to Rare titles that didn't use Nintendo characters, and unless Microsoft sells the company back to Nintendo that's not going to change.

I hate to get back onto this subject, but I will never buy a microsoft system and I understand that Rare titles will never come to VC. But still, I would hombrew those games just to have them on my wii.
 
I want to be honest, Nintendo is good about coming out with clever ideas no matter how gimmicky they may seem at the time. However, if Nintendo does not find a way to adapt their ways to the changing trends in the gaming world they will suffer the same fate as SEGA.
 
I look at Nintendo as being the specieal needs person of the gaming community. They refuse to serve the fans because of their inability to adapt their marketing scemes to what the consumer wants. How can they provide a lack luster online support in the times we are living? Simple, they are chincy bastards that screw their base over and then wonder why they are slowly losing money thanks to pirates.
 
I would feel ashamed to sell some body a $200 console that does not have the computing power of an iphone. I think that Nintendo is inviting disaster(day of crisis?) onto themselves. These pirates are just one thing that I see putting a nail into their coffin.
 
 

[NWR_insanolord]

The idea that Nintendo doesn't know how to adapt to changing trends and get their marketing aligned with what consumers want is ludicrous. Nintendo clearly knows how to do those things; even their harshest critics have to give them that.

[Adrock]

I hate to get back onto this subject, but I will never buy a microsoft system and I understand that Rare titles will never come to VC. But still, I would hombrew those games just to have them on my wii.

Well, you're missing out on a ton of great games. And just because you're unwilling to buy a MS console, doesn't make pirating games or supporting the pirating of games okay. There's no way to justify that.

The idea that Nintendo doesn't know how to adapt to changing trends and get their marketing aligned with what consumers want is ludicrous. Nintendo clearly knows how to do those things; even their harshest critics have to give them that.

Explain. I don't think adapting is the problem; they do. However, it's how long it takes Nintendo to adapt that worries people.

[NWR_insanolord]

I was talking about the Wii and DS, but maybe it doesn't count if you're so far ahead of the curve that you're changing the trends yourself instead of adapting to the changes. It could be taken in terms of something like online play as well, though, and in that area Nintendo is lagging behind.

[Kytim89]

What I meant was that Nintendo takes too much to adapt to the changing trends. As for for missing out on the xbox games, I miss having the ability to play Gears of War and Mass Effect, but I just do not like the xbox as a consumer. I mean there are brands of cars that people never buy, nor drive. As for pirating Rare games noto the wii, I mainly used that as point for the topic. Sooner or later, the old cartridges will run out or become unable to work due to age.

[Adrock]

I was talking about the Wii and DS, but maybe it doesn't count if you're so far ahead of the curve that you're changing the trends yourself instead of adapting to the changes. It could be taken in terms of something like online play as well, though, and in that area Nintendo is lagging behind.

Yes and no. Like you said, there's the whole Friend Code thing. People didn't like it on DS and Nintendo decided to give it another go around on the Wii which again, failed to win any supporters. No one outside of Nintendo thinks it's a good idea. Only recently did Miyamoto somewhat relent on it by saying that Nintendo is trying to realize "its core [online] business structure" which may include charging for the service. If that's what it takes to get a competent online experience, so be it. We're all kind of just left scratching our heads, wondering what the hell took so long.

As for pirating Rare games noto the wii, I mainly used that as point for the topic. Sooner or later, the old cartridges will run out or become unable to work due to age.

And that's where buying an Xbox comes in. If your old carts no longer function and you're adamant about not buying an Xbox for whatever reason, well, I'm sorry, sir, but you are sh*t out of luck. We're all expected to spend money to posses the things that we enjoy.

[Kytim89]

I was talking about the Wii and DS, but maybe it doesn't count if you're so far ahead of the curve that you're changing the trends yourself instead of adapting to the changes. It could be taken in terms of something like online play as well, though, and in that area Nintendo is lagging behind.

Yes and no. Like you said, there's the whole Friend Code thing. People didn't like it on DS and Nintendo decided to give it another go around on the Wii which again, failed to win any supporters. No one outside of Nintendo thinks it's a good idea. Only recently did Miyamoto somewhat relent on it by saying that Nintendo is trying to realize "its core [online] business structure" which may include charging for the service. If that's what it takes to get a competent online experience, so be it. We're all kind of just left scratching our heads, wondering what the hell took so long.

As for pirating Rare games noto the wii, I mainly used that as point for the topic. Sooner or later, the old cartridges will run out or become unable to work due to age.

And that's where buying an Xbox comes in. If your old carts no longer function and you're adamant about not buying an Xbox for whatever reason, well, I'm sorry, sir, but you are sh*t out of luck. We're all expected to spend money to posses the things that we enjoy.

Treasure of Rudras is a game I would enjoy playing on the VC service, but Nintendo's moronic buisness practices keep me from enjoying the game.
 
That is why people will always go to clandestine ends to obtain such things. I apologize for bringing up the tired rare thing, but if the market is not able to give me what I want the way I want it, I will have to homebrew these games.

[ThePerm]

Piracy is never good. Developers make these games so that they can make a profit. They make a profit so that they can continue to make games. I'm all for open source and free intellectual property, but lets be honest and face it..you get what you pay for. If I pay $50 for a Wii game than it usually is worth it. It works in reverse too. If a game is really good you should pay money for it. By not purchasing real products people hurt the game biz. I say if your under 23 than fine, after that than you should get a job if you want to enjoy things.

[Adrock]

Exactly how is it Nintendo's fault that Square Enix won't bring over an old, never localized SNES game to Virtual Console?

[Ymeegod]

Morari your missing a key point as always, you really can't defend a point about games costing so much because there's plenty of LEGAL ways around this, me I rent most games (gamefly) or I'll buy them on sale.  Just because you think something overpriced doesn't mean you should take it for free (unless you're dying and need it then that's ok in my book).  Games are ENTERTAINMENT, meaning you can live without it.

There's also free games online anyhow, sure they might be dated but if you don't got the scratch then why complain.  A good example of free games, Mech Warrior 4 or Quake Live.  Free & Legal.

[broodwars]

Exactly how is it Nintendo's fault that Square Enix won't bring over an old, never localized SNES game to Virtual Console?

Especially after Nintendo moved heaven and earth negotiating between several companies to bring one of the most obscure Square Enix games (on probably Nintendo's least-beloved console, the N64) to the VC with Ogre Battle 64.

[Mop it up]

Exactly how is it Nintendo's fault that Square Enix won't bring over an old, never localized SNES game to Virtual Console?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nintendo doesn't allow anyone to translate import titles. If it is a text-heavy game, it'd pretty much be unplayable.

[Kytim89]

All I am saying is that Nintendo should make their technology harder to pirate and offer what ever games they can on the VC service. This would not stop piracy all togehter, but it would slow them down considerably.

[TJ Spyke]

That doesn't excuse piracy. Even if a game could be released on the Wii with no problems (meaning no licenses, already released in North America before, etc.) and Nintendo just chooses not to have it released, that doesn't change anything. It's still piracy and still illegal/immoral/en-ethical.

[Adrock]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nintendo doesn't allow anyone to translate import titles. If it is a text-heavy game, it'd pretty much be unplayable.

I'm not sure. Nintendo has allowed previously unreleased titles on VC, but my limited googling only confirmed that those titles were already in English to begin with (i.e. Sin and Punishment, though Nintendo owns the rights so I'm not sure it counts). There is apparently an old Wired article from 2007 referenced on Wikipedia where George Harrison, former Senior VP of Marketing, said it was possible for publishers to localize previously unreleased games on the Virtual Console. However, since the link is broken, I can't confirm this and it was from Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt. Hey, it's the best I could in a couple minutes and the Google search bar.

Still, I find it hard to believe that Nintendo would actively stop a publisher from putting in the work to localize an old SNES game to put on VC. Said publisher would pay for the localization and pay Nintendo a licensing fee. What does Nintendo have to lose?

[broodwars]

Still, I find it hard to believe that Nintendo would actively stop a publisher from putting in the work to localize an old SNES game to put on VC. Said publisher would pay for the localization and pay Nintendo a licensing fee. What does Nintendo have to lose?

Didn't Square-Enix say that the version of FF IV that's on the VC (the original localized "Final Fantasy II") is only that way because Nintendo won't allow them to retranslate it?
 
Honestly, I don't understand why Nintendo should have a problem with companies creating new translations for old titles coming to the VC, but apparently they do.

[Adrock]

But, it's already been retranslated like 15 times for every version of that game that's been released....

I mean, if that's the case, then that's is extremely ra-tarded and I would agree that Nintendo's policy is stupid.