Topic: Original vs. Remake - Polling and Discussion - Poll 9: Playing Games?

[Mop it up]

Probably, though I'd also like it to have the smooth graphics of the original.

[Stratos]

And if Super Mario 64 DS were released on a system with an analog stick it would be the best version of the game, but it wasn't.

I'd buy a DSiWare version on a 3DS if that system has some kind of analogue control or even a WiiWare version if I could use the classic controller. I've avoided the title for quite a while because of the reportedly terrible controls.

[Peachylala]

The controls weren't THAT terrible. Took some time getting used to, but still, the game was playable.

[Stratos]

I'll keep that in mind. I've been tempted to try and pick it up anyway once I find a cheap copy for sale.

[NWR_insanolord]

I never said the controls in SM64DS were terrible; I got along with them just fine, but there's no denying that an analog stick would have made it a lot better. The extra content wasn't all great (having to catch more of those rabbits was annoying, especially having to do it with the D-Pad), but a lot of it was pretty good, and it fixed the camera, which is the only part of the original game that I think hasn't held up. With an analog stick it would certainly be the definitive version of an all-time classic game; as it is, it's a game that's quality depends on how well you can get used to the controls.

[Mop it up]

How well did the touch screen controls work with the thumb nub? I had a DS Lite so I didn't have one.

[NWR_insanolord]

I didn't like them. The lack of self-centering works well for some things, especially any kind of aiming, but I don't like to use a touch screen stick for movement. The best setup I found was to use the d-pad with the option turned on so that you run by default and walk at a normal pace by holding down Y.

[King of Twitch]

Are you going to talk about your SMB3 play, UncleBob?

I started the VC version just before NSMBW came out and progressed along the two games about the same speed. I got to the 7th world castle with the screen full of coins and cranked out 99 extra lives. When I got to the final airship though, I was down to about 8.. How could this happen?? Careless pride my friends...Careless pride.

I was too depressed to go on, thinking the inevitable game over meant I would have to trudge through world 8 again with only 5 lives, so I set it down until last week. By the time I got to Bowser, I was down to 3, and on the very... last... one...my timer...ran... out.

It's still the greatest.

[BeautifulShy]

Heh looks like a 3 way tie between the NES,All-Stars, and the GBC version of Super Mario Bros.

[UncleBob]

Day 2 Poll Results: Super Mario Bros.

Super Mario Bros. - NES    - 4 (30.8%)
Super Mario Bros. (Super Mario All Stars) - SNES    - 4 (30.8%)
Super Mario Bros. (Animal Crossing) - GCN    - 0 (0%)
Super Mario Bros. - Wii Virtual Console    - 1 (7.7%)
Super Mario Bros. DX - GBC    - 4 (30.8%)
Super Mario Bros.: NES Classics Series - GBA    - 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 13

[UncleBob]

This should be interesting - will the purists still vote for the original, or the obviously superior Donkey Kong '94 from the Game Boy?

[KDR_11k]

I think they're fairly different games.

[TJ Spyke]

KDR is right, the Game Boy game is a completely different game. It does begin with the original 4 levels from the Arcade/NES game, but adds 97 new levels and is more of a puzzle game.

So this really boils down to the Arcade version vs. NES version. If you want ports, there is also the GBA version (Classic NES series), Animal Crossing version, e-Reader version, Virtual Console version, ColecoVision version, etc.

[Stratos]

Anyone voting for the NES version has obviously never played it. It sucks, is missing levels and the controls are terrible.

It's a little misleading to just put Donkey Kong if you meant DK 94. If I knew it was DK 94 I probably would have gone with that one since it adds a lot more content.

[Ian Sane]

To me Donkey Kong 94 is a different game.  So I voted for the arcade version since for the original Donkey Kong there is no other version that compares.

Though there were many ports of Donkey Kong to non-Nintendo consoles like the Colecovision and Atari 2600.  The Atari 8-bit computer version is the only one that has all four levels so it's a contender for the best home version.

[Stratos]

Plus didn't the Atari actually have a joystick?

[TJ Spyke]

Anyone voting for the NES version has obviously never played it. It sucks, is missing levels and the controls are terrible.

LEVEL, as in one. It's only missing the cement factory level, which is not in any of the console versions (although it is in the computer versions). Other than that, they are the same (and the controls were just fine, and i've never seen anyone else complain about the controls). The arcade version may be the best, but the NES version is an excellent port.

[Stratos]

I tried playing it on a friend's VC and found it to control horribly. Maybe I just need a joystick to play it. I don't remember having the control issues on the DK64 version and that had the analogue stick.

[vudu]

New Poll is up.

Hey Bob, how about you leave the poll open for more than two fucking days next time?  I missed it completely because I don't visit this board too often on weekends.

[Peachylala]

Donkey Kong 94 wears the original Donkey Kong as slippers. Hands down.

Heh, both the Arcade and the GB version are tied.

[Mop it up]

I'm too young to have played Donkey Kong in the arcades. I went a long time without playing it, despite how much of a Nintendo fan that I am. I finally played it in Donkey Kong 64 a couple of years ago, which I believe is a faithful recreation of the arcade game. So I voted for the arcade one.

[UncleBob]

I think they're fairly different games.

A lot of Remakes end up as fairly different games.  In this case, I'm pretty sure I remember reading something (Nintendo Power) where it was said the idea behind the Game Boy version of Donkey Kong was to remake the game as if it was something being made today (obviously 'today' referring to the time in which the game was produced.)  This makes it more than just a port or re-release - it's a true remake, by any definition of the word.

New Poll is up.

Hey Bob, how about you leave the poll open for more than two fucking days next time?  I missed it completely because I don't visit this board too often on weekends.

Hey vudu, how about you read the initial post...

And discuss it here.  The voting will be active for 48 hours

I picked two days because I felt there wasn't much of a need to let discussion go on for too long - discussion on SMB3 kinda died off toward the end.  With that said, I'm not *against* the idea of allowing polling to last longer, if the people ask for it.  Just not you, because you were rude.

So this really boils down to the Arcade version vs. NES version. If you want ports, there is also the GBA version (Classic NES series), Animal Crossing version, e-Reader version, Virtual Console version, ColecoVision version, etc.

Yeah, this is a poll I went lazy on.  I seriously could have maxed out the options here.
Atari 2600, ColecoVision, Intellivision, NES (twice, in the Arcade Series and with DK Jr. in Donkey Kong Classics), Atari 400/800, early PC versions, Apple LLe, C64, on the N64 with DK64, GCN with Animal Crossing, e-Reader, GBA's NES Classics series... Game and Watch (which has been ported over a couple of times....).

Still think Nintendo should put the Arcade version on the VC.  Yeah, it'd tank the NES version's sales, but who's really buying that at this point anyway?  I can't imagine there'd be any real additional cost towards doing it and they can always charge that 600 point price to actually make more money off it...

[Stratos]

I'm purposefully refusing to buy the VC NES versions of games that were in the arcades as well in hopes that the arcade versions eventually come too. I'm wondering if my issues with the VC DK (and original Mario Brothers) is due to me using the Wiimote to play.

[Ian Sane]

Still think Nintendo should put the Arcade version on the VC.  Yeah, it'd tank the NES version's sales, but who's really buying that at this point anyway?  I can't imagine there'd be any real additional cost towards doing it and they can always charge that 600 point price to actually make more money off it...

Nintendo's continued re-releasing of the inferior NES version is borderline dishonest.  The whole reason there was only three levels included was because they didn't think the NES could handle all four levels.  Well they turned out to vastly underestimate their own hardware since DK Jr. had all four levels and later games like Super Mario Bros. and Legend of Zelda just dwarf Donkey Kong.  The thing is they KNEW they were wrong before the NES was even released in North America but they never bothered to add that extra level to the American release.  And they never have even though there is no excuse for it.  They're screwing us by trying to sell us this incomplete version.  DK should have been standardized with all four levels a good 25 years ago.
 
To me it shows a real lack of appreciation for one's own work.  You would figure that Miyamoto would be upset that his original vision had to be compromised for the home port and that once the hardware issues were no longer an issue that his original unaltered work would become the standard.  The fact that he appears to not care suggests a real corporate attitude that is very unappealing.

[Stratos]

He may have intended for DK '94 to be the re-standardization of the 4th level plus the extra stuff.

It could be he's not aware of the fact newer versions are different. He's so high up now and busy working on and/or overseeing multiple projects that bringing a 'trite little thing' to Miyamoto like a missing level on a VC rerelease is like climbing Mount Olympus just to ask Zeus if you can borrow a cup of sugar.