Topic: Mafia XXXVI: Donkey Kong. Day 3. Underwater Aquatica.

[NWR_pap64]

I'm going to Vote Stogi for now since right now it seems he's the most suspicious at the moment (unless he proves otherwise or someone else proves more guilty).

[Stogi]

Well I've done all that I could. Nullifier, help me out.

But either way, I'm a townie and if you guys end up voting me out. I hope I'm the last one or else we lose.

[stevey]

(I'll take the side of the one with the best avstar for now; and) thatguy is Khush's second hand man, thus is guilty by association.

vote thatguy

also will someone pm me, I'm so lonely here in space

[vudu]

Stevey, do you not pay attention?  thatguy claimed to be the nullifer.  No one has refuted that claim.  He's a fricking townie.  Change your damn vote.

[that Baby guy]

Well, technically, we could wind up where things are in a tie, and then I could just cancel a vote against me to break it, if you all want.  The only issue would be if someone is unreliable and changes his or her vote at the last minute, since I can't create a tie.

[vudu]

The only issue would be if someone is unreliable and changes his or her vote at the last minute, since I can't create a tie.

That's what I would be afraid of.  Not only are the mafia sneaky, but the townies are dumb.

Since no one has come forward to refute your claim I'm going to take you at your word.  (That, or you're at least in contact with the nullifer, which is almost as good.)

[that Baby guy]

Well, there we go.  Stevey asks for PMs, I send him one, and he signs off.  That's why I didn't send him one in the beginning!

[nickmitch]

If thatguy is really the nullifier, then the mafia should kill him tonight, right?  It only make sense to target a rolled townie (unless the doctor steps in).

[that Baby guy]

Well, that's their issue:  If the mafia targets me, there's a good chance I'll be protected.  That's why I did what I did, I figured I'm a high-priority target, and so the best way to fight against that is to just put myself out there, at the mercy of the doctor.

[nickmitch]

What if the doctor doesn't trust you?

[that Baby guy]

Well, the mafia will kill me, then.  What if he does, and they try to hit me, and they waste a hit?  There's a lot of possibilities, but I think the path I chose was the one most likely to get me through this alive, since had I not chosen it, I probably would have died yesterday.

Edit:  I just got clarification from Khush:  I can not create a tie, but people after me can create one.  Essentially, if the vote is 5-1, I can block a vote here, and later, even if the votes appear to be 5-6 (5-5 with the blocked vote,) the blocked vote still stands, because when I caused the block, the vote wasn't a tie.  A simpler way to say this is that I can't change a vote with the intention of making a tie upon the vote being blocked. It's a matter of timing, as it stands now.

If necessary to prove myself, we could probably create a vote scenario where I can verify myself even tonight, but it would take the full cooperation of all the players, as well as a unified decision of who the second person to go up against me and "lose" the tie, as well.  If the town figured out that, then I'd be happy to vote for myself and cancel my vote as the start of this, and let everyone else play their part to prove my identity.

[stevey]

Stevey, do you not pay attention?  thatguy claimed to be the nullifer.  No one has refuted that claim.  He's a fricking townie.  Change your damn vote.

Reading walls of text on the wii sucks; and his pm was whether I was the nullifer... Placeholder vote stay until I finish reading everything.

Outing yourself as a role if you are a townie is suicide and is a part of Khush's "Mafia: 100 sure fire ways for the mafia to rape the townies" playbook.

[Stratos]

It worked rather well for Perm in the Mario Paintball Mafia game. All but one of his team rallied behind him. 

[GoldenPhoenix]

Fine I'll jump on the bandwago:

vote thatguy

[Stratos]

OK, a little more about my accusation of Mop it up being Mafia:

When I tried to find out why she voted for me she said that if I didn't know why then she couldn't tell me. The way she worded it was odd because of the phrase can't. I could understand someone with a vendetta saying "if you don't know why I'm upset with you then I'm not telling you" but she specifically said can't.

I also asked her about her vote for Insano as she was the one that broke the tie before Vudu followed to secure it from Nullifier interference and all she said was that she had her reasons.

She also has stopped talking to me today. I think she is trying to lay low and hope that she slips off the radar in the midst of this Stogi vs Thatguy fight.

So here is an offer to those voting Stogi, please join me in voting out Mop it up. I promise to join you tomorrow in voting off Stogi. We combine out votes on both days and we should have a clear majority both times. Thatguy is pretty much confirmed Townie so I'm going to view a vote against him as a Mafia move.

Interestingly enough, three of the four people currently voting against Thatguy were already on my Mafia Suspects list.

[Khushrenada]

Stevey, do you not pay attention?  thatguy claimed to be the nullifer.  No one has refuted that claim.  He's a fricking townie.  Change your damn vote.

Reading walls of text on the wii sucks; and his pm was whether I was the nullifer... Placeholder vote stay until I finish reading everything.

Outing yourself as a role if you are a townie is suicide and is a part of Khush's "Mafia: 100 sure fire ways for the mafia to rape the townies" playbook.

I LOVE that book. Was a #1 bestseller for 17 weeks in a row.


Now on to business and to make sure everyone knows how I view the Nullifier's power and what it can and can't do. Let me explain it this way:


If the vote was 4-3 and he nullified a vote at 11:59 to make it 3-3, it would not be accepted since that would create a tie at the deadline vote.

Let's say that the nullifier got rid of a vote mid-day when the vote was something like 6-1, making it 5-1. If by the deadline, the vote ends up being 5-5, his nullification would still stand. Even though a tie has occured, his nullification isn't the main reason why it ended up tied.

This is different to the 11:59 action where the nullifier deliberatly knows that removing the 4th vote will tie things up. It is that type of action I am looking to prevent.

The nullifier's power is meant more for breaking ties but I'm willing to allow it to be used for some strategy.


Hopefully everyone gets how it works now.

[that Baby guy]

Let's see the tally:

thatguy--4
Mop_it_up--5
Stogi--4
Vudu--2

I believe this is current an up to date.  If we get three more votes on Mop_it_up or two more on Stogi, I'll change my vote to myself, and nullify my vote, as well, to show I'm the nullifier.

Edit:  If you're wondering why I'd be nullifying my vote, and not someone else's, it's in case someone tries something tricky in the last minute.  If suddenly votes turn against me, I'll just change my vote, and nullify someone else who voted for me, so I'll live.

2x Edit:  Including tally of votes below.  Two more votes for Mop_it_up, and I'll change mine away from her, and vote for me, instead, and then nullify my vote to remove the tie.

[nickmitch]

Sounds complicated, but ok!

Vote Mop_it_up

[Mop it up]

I vote Mop it up.

Her PMs have convinced me that she is Mafia and she is more evasive than usual.

Evasive? What did you expect me to say? Talking is what gets me killed.

Mop_it_up: Vote Insanolord (No reason cited)
If anyone would like me to make an alteration to their stated motives that does lie in with what was said during the previous day, just let me know and I'll make the change, as long as it's brief, less than one line, and honest.

I gave a reason when I voted: to break a tie. It wasn't much of a risk to vote out Insanolord because he wasn't going to be able to post much, so if he weren't Mafia then it wasn't much of a loss.

Voting Mop_it_up because anyone who like Wii Music is up to something. Its all part of a big conspiracy!

You aren't supposed to let personal opinion cloud your judgment. Bad form!
Oh well, at least you're actually participating unlike a certain other new player...

Anyways, I guess I have no choice but to un-Vote Thatguy to save myself. Though admittedly I'm not sure what he's talking about with this whole scheme of nullifying a vote to prove his role...

[nickmitch]

He can't change a vote to create a tie.  So, he generates a tie and uses his powers to break it.

[Mop it up]

Well, he's tied with me. So I'm in quite a dilemma here.

[that Baby guy]

I've fixed that now, my apologies for the mistake.

As far as voting for you, I believe the reasons I am are this:  Stratos, from browsing other games, has good instincts, you're his "forum BFF," you're partly hiding (Hence why we've called you out early in the day, so you'd have to come out at some point ), and lastly, I personally think Maxi and DrewMG targets are people you'd aim for, people that other players wouldn't be too concerned about until the middle of the game.

The last, of course, could just be someone hitting targets in a tricky manner, but it's difficult to say.  The reason why you're up to bat right now is that it's very possible, in our eyes, that you're the godfather.  I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying of the top suspects I have, you seem most likely to make the hits that were made.

Edit:  That said, I'm more convinced Stogi is in the mafia than you are, so I'm on the borderline about him, and stuff.  If you both (Mop_it_up and nickmitch) switched your votes to Stogi, I'd vote for myself, to even out things, and do that whole proof thing, since most people voting for me seriously want me to die.

[Dasmos]

So you're gonna make it so there's a tie at the end of the day to prove you're the nullifier? What happens if someone breaks the tie against you?

[that Baby guy]

I'll be nullifying my own vote, so the hope is that if it comes down to that, I can both change my vote and nullify someone else's, swinging the vote to keep me alive.

[Mop it up]

you're partly hiding (Hence why we've called you out early in the day, so you'd have to come out at some point )

Hiding? More like I've been busy most of the day and didn't have the time. It seems to me like you're looking into things too much.

Fortunately for you I believe you're who you say you are. I'm not sure if I'm convinced that Kashogi is Mafia, but I think it's more likely than you.

Vote Kashogi Y. Stogi