Author Topic: Wii HD? (Read 13451 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:50:51 AM »

It also depends on how close you sit to the screen, of course I can tell resolutions apart on my 19" CRT PC monitor, I can also tell them apart on the 23" HDTV/PC monitor the consoles are conncted to. I just don't care enough to go "OMG I can't play my Wii anymore because it isn't HD and my eyes hurt!" because I've seen consoles remain at 320x240 when I've already run PC games at HD resolutions.

BwrJim! · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:25:04 PM »

Actually in the specs of the revolution it has the capability to do 720p, it was just locked down to help keep developers in a simple mind set. So a wii HD is already possible, they just have to basically flip a switch in a way. I have been waiting for this actually, because when the time comes, Nintendo can do what they need and then all of the sudden the wii is magical again for the masses.

and if I must, I can also point out that the wii is more powerful than the original xbox which did 720p no problem and through the use of hacks could actually do 1080i and p.. although the p output was a bit sluggish, the 1080i ran just fine. so I am taking it that the group responsible for the 720p is just usuing the revolution sdk that was leaked awhile back and did their thing.

This strategy falls right in line with two things for nintendo, no need to release new hardware and they can pull it out after they determine they need it to appease the masses.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:30:24 PM »

A Wii HD wouldn't be "all magical again for the masses" because the masses don't really care about HD. To the masses HD is nice to have but not necessary. While the grpahics hardware may be capable of 720p can the output connector handle that? If even one component in the chain cannot they'd have to release a Wii Plus.

Nintendo's high definition for the Wii is high definition motion controls AKA Motion Plus.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:16:21 PM »

Quote from: kraken613 on July 09, 2009, 09:12:48 PM

You need a 52'' or bigger to really notice any difference in 720p and 1080p. Even though the 360 and PS3 can do 1080p almost all games just do 720p though, just look at the cases.

That's not even remotely true. If you're sitting about 6 feet away you probably won't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p on maybe a 32" TV, anything larger than that will be very obvious. On my 17" laptop the difference between even 1440x900 and 1920x1200 is absolutely huge. 1080p is not for large TVs, it's the new standard. Every *new* TV I've seen 27" and larger has been 1080p, for a long time. Also, even though most 360 games are 720p, or even lower, they are upscaled via hardware to whatever resolution you set your console to (unlike the PS3, which lacks a hardware scaler). Hell, it's even obvious in the YouTube videos how big of a difference there can be. Watch a clip in "HQ" from any game listed in the YouTube post, then watch a clip in "HD", both times in fullscreen, and sit 3 feet away from your monitor. You'll see a huge difference, unless you're just fooling yourself. Note: this isn't all for kraken, I'm just using your post for a generalization.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:33:03 PM »

Wow, those all look damn nice...

Quote from: BwrJim! on July 10, 2009, 01:25:04 PM

Actually in the specs of the revolution it has the capability to do 720p, it was just locked down to help keep developers in a simple mind set. So a wii HD is already possible, they just have to basically flip a switch in a way. I have been waiting for this actually, because when the time comes, Nintendo can do what they need and then all of the sudden the wii is magical again for the masses.

I'd be quite the happy camper if Nintendo were to release a firmware upgrade that did this, but I doubt they would.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:04:27 PM »

I've read that the framebuffer is too small, and the Wii will never output over 480p. I would LOVE to be wrong though.

BwrJim! · « **Reply #31 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:57:17 AM »

Hey KDR, lets not forget though that nintendo is training a new generation of players. and if the mass market has taught us one thing, they like shineys when the time is right. Over the years, the HD revolution is taking place all across america as we have the switch to digital signals. With the digital signals and sharper cleaner images (have you seen the tv picture threough the air waves.. Its neat) becoming more and more available, its only a matter of time for the masses to want to take advantage of this and not use a converter box and whatnot. I imagine that if anything was to happen, it would be about 2 years from now. That should be just about the beginning of the ramp up and we all fall for a shine gets every now and then. But the mass market is expected to start making large strides in upgrading and if we know one thing about Nintendo, they sure know how to market.

i will research the buffer concept, but the way the memory is organized in the system and how it works, i dont forsee that as an issue.

eheh, wouldnt it be funny if all the hacks out there on the wii, and they ported that dolphin emu to the wii and ran it through that..

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #32 on:** July 11, 2009, 01:12:30 AM »

Quote from: Brandogg on July 10, 2009, 02:16:21 PM

Every *new* TV I've seen 27" and larger has been 1080p, for a long time.

When was the last time you actually checked? 1080p is NOT the standard, at least not for TV's under $1,500. 720p seems the standard, with 1080i also very common. 1080p tends to not be on a lot of TV's under $1,000. I wish it was, my 26" (yes I know you said 27") goes up to 1080i and I got it last August.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #33 on:** July 11, 2009, 03:35:54 AM »

HD is nice to have but I don't think a bit of shiny is enough to sell people on new expensive hardware. A TV is something you'll probably have to buy anyway but something like a BluRay player is only a tiny improvement over DVD and definitely not worth the massive investment, especially with all the version number chaos where your several hundred dollar player can suddently end up obsolete.

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:05:30 AM »

You probably got that RCA that people have been trying to get rid of for years. Seriously, 1080i only applies to rear projection and CRT TVs, both of which are basically non-existent at this point. Anyway this is Best Buy's selection of 720p TVs, there are 87 of them, they are all under 32", or are 2 year old Samsung (series 4)/Panasonic TVs, or generic "starter" TVs. The 1080p section has 123 sets, and they start at 22" at a quick glance.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 11, 2009, 01:48:30 PM »

Quote from: Brandogg on July 11, 2009, 10:05:30 AM

You probably got that RCA that people have been trying to get rid of for years. Seriously, 1080i only applies to rear projection and CRT TVs, both of which are basically non-existent at this point. Anyway this is Best Buy's selection of 720p TVs, there are 87 of them, they are all under 32", or are 2 year old Samsung (series 4)/Panasonic TVs, or generic "starter" TVs. The 1080p section has 123 sets, and they start at 22" at a quick glance.

But what price do they start at?
My mom almost bought a 50" plasma the other day because it was on sale for ~$1000.
I found it it was only a 720p set and told her to wait a little bit longer.
Most of the TV's being bought are in the $350-$1200 range, and only the informed know to go with 1080p over 720p.
From what I've seen (anecdotal evidence and all) most people are buying 720p because they don't know any better.

If you think about it, why would the average consumer spend more for the same size HD TV
they walk into the store and see two 50" HDTVs, one for $999 and the other for $1450.
They are naturally gonna get the 50" HDTV that there were looking for @ $999 not even caring that its 720p because they don't know the difference. Its just another confusing # like 10,000:1 ratio, black levels & contrast ratios, XXXhz

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:31:37 PM »

It's only confusing if you don't do any research before sinking huge amounts of money into an appliance.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 11, 2009, 04:38:50 PM »

Quote from: Dirk Temporo on July 11, 2009, 04:31:37 PM

It's only confusing if you don't do any research before sinking huge amounts of money into an appliance.

That would be your average consumer.

learn the key phrases "HDTV" "widescreen" and run with it from there.
Then they rely on the idiot sales man, who is most likely gonna push what makes him/her the most commission, and you end up with someone buying the 3yr old product that was probably 720p with only one HDMI slot.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #38 on:** July 12, 2009, 03:54:06 PM »

Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2009, 04:38:50 PM

Quote from: Dirk Temporo on July 11, 2009, 04:31:37 PM
It's only confusing if you don't do any research before sinking huge amounts of money into an appliance.

That would be your average consumer.

Yeah, but it shouldn't be. That's my point. It's not difficult to check out a couple different websites before heading to the store/ordering one online. Five minutes will basically tell you everything you need to know.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just weird because my mom ALWAYS did her research before buying ANYTHING important. She has a 100% track record for buying games for my birthday and Christmas, even if I never even mentioned I wanted the game. Hell, she bought me Zack and Wiki and I never even uttered that phrase around her. She always looks at specs and reviews for any major purchase, mostly electronics such as TVs, computer parts, GPS...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #39 on:** July 12, 2009, 05:56:28 PM »

Research is much slower when you don't even know what to research. People who have no idea that HD comes in different resolutions will first have to figure out that they have to look for that.

BwrJim! · « **Reply #40 on:** July 12, 2009, 08:24:12 PM »

Tanookisuit · « **Reply #41 on:** July 12, 2009, 08:43:51 PM »

I bought 720p... because I only have a Wii.

Stogi · « **Reply #42 on:** July 12, 2009, 08:55:39 PM »

Isn't 720p and 1080i the same thing?

Caliban · « **Reply #43 on:** July 12, 2009, 09:04:03 PM »

Quote from: Kashogi Y. Stogi on July 12, 2009, 08:55:39 PM

Isn't 720p and 1080i the same thing?

No.

BwrJim! · « **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2009, 02:58:32 AM »

differnce between i and p is

i = interlace
p - progressive
i = drawn 2 times on screen to get one image
p = drawn once on screen to get image.

thats the most basic explanation.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #45 on:** July 13, 2009, 03:08:58 AM »

Of course interlacing makes no damn sense considering how few HD CRTs there are. Also PC monitors have been doing resolutions like that without interlacing for a long time so it's not like it's hard to implement either. Modern digital encodings work better for progressive images than interlaced ones too.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 13, 2009, 12:20:11 PM »

Quote from: BwrJim! on July 13, 2009, 02:58:32 AM

differnce between i and p is

i = interlace
p - progressive
i = drawn 2 times on screen to get one image
p = drawn once on screen to get image.

thats the most basic explanation.

for a little more detailed explantion

A 640x480 image @ 30fps
i = 1 image divided into 2 parts, 240 lines each. 1st half is shown @ 15fps on the odd frames (1, 3, 5, 7, etc, etc), 2nd half is shown on @15fps on even frames (2, 4, 6, 8, etc etc.). The two images get shuffled together like a deck of cards onto your television screen.
Its why you would get a weird flickering image if you tried to record or take a pic of your television screen.

p = 1 solid image every frame every second. No flickering image when photographed or filmed.

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Author Topic: Wii HD? (Read 13451 times)