Author Topic: PUNCH OUT!! (Read 120406 times)

Mop it up · « **Reply #150 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:22:54 PM »

Well in that case, maybe I shouldn't be so ashamed of how far I could (not) get.

Isn't every game one that anyone could potentially enjoy? The possibility is there if the taste matches.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #151 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:24:06 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 27, 2009, 10:22:54 PM

Well in that case, maybe I shouldn't be so ashamed of how far I could (not) get.

Isn't every game one that anyone could potentially enjoy? The possibility is there if the taste matches.

Not really because some games have extreme learning curves and only appeal to a very small group of people.

Mop it up · « **Reply #152 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:33:39 PM »

Hm I think I see what you mean. Punch-Out!! appeals to everyone because it has simple controls and is easy to understand. Something like Street Fighter II has complex controls and button combos... I never played it more than once because it was ridiculous. I at least tried to get into Punch-Out!!.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #153 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:37:23 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 27, 2009, 10:33:39 PM

Hm I think I see what you mean. Punch-Out!! appeals to everyone because it has simple controls and is easy to understand. Something like Street Fighter II has complex controls and button combos... I never played it more than once because it was ridiculous. I at least tried to get into Punch-Out!!.

That is a better way to put it. The game was easy to get into and you can at least get past the "first level". The Mario games are pretty similar as well with that pick up and play while having fun even if there is more depth then maybe your skill allows you to accomplish.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #154 on:** March 27, 2009, 11:00:53 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 27, 2009, 10:06:35 PM

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on March 27, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
The first punch-out was a very casual game that ANYONE could enjoy.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Then again, I suppose I'm talking semantics as labeling any game as "for everyone" is a bit of a misnomer as I don't believe there to be any game in existence which absolutely every person on the face of the planet would enjoy. Case in point: me. I don't like Punch-Out!!, the game is just too difficult. I'm not even going to tell you how many times I attempted to beat the first round of boxers, as even with being as open as I am about my dearth of gaming skill, it's still too embarrassing to mention.

Back in the day the game WAS for everyone, regardless of skills. I remember my mother, my older sister and my cousin getting into the game and being overjoyed by having beaten the toughest opponent.

The game comes from a very different time. Back then games were simple in execution and concepts, and thus were very easy to get into. But they weren't easy. The game got harder as you progressed and conquered each stage. The challenge came from the fact that as you got better the game kept testing your skill, but it was still a breeze to understand.

Nowadays, games are too complicated from the get go. They have to insert tutorials just to make sense of the controls and the game becomes more about trying to master the concept than it is about playing it.

This is why the Wii is such a hit with everybody. Its deceptively simple but the challenge ramps up as soon as you decide to master it. Wii Sports, in particular, is easy enough that you can skip the tutorial and still play it. But if you decide to go towards Pro status in all events it quickly becomes difficult, especially in baseball and boxing.

Punch-Out Wii will likely follow this philosophy. Start the game insanely easy, but then the difficulty ramps up as you conquer each fighter.

vudu · « **Reply #155 on:** March 29, 2009, 07:55:47 PM »

13 stinking characters?!

This annoys me greatly.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #156 on:** March 29, 2009, 08:17:03 PM »

Quote from: vudu on March 29, 2009, 07:55:47 PM

13 stinking characters?!

This annoys me greatly.

Yeah because that is all the game will have content wise right? Seriously it isn't a big deal especially since they indicated there will be a lot of unlockables in the game. Not to mention the 2 player mode.

NWR_Neal · « **Reply #157 on:** March 29, 2009, 08:24:34 PM »

I won't complain about anything until I play it. I'd rather be blindly optimistic for the next two months instead of almost blindly pessimistic. Especially when Nintendo's been really cagey with the content in this game.

Mop it up · « **Reply #158 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:04:40 AM »

The first two games had only about a dozen characters or so, so that doesn't really surprise me.

I just saw a commercial for the NES Power Glove on YouTube, and apparently it was compatible with the original Punch-Out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYBzKFm-rd0

How much do you want to bet that somebody is going to make a claim that the Wii version has no real new content since the original game technically had motion controls?

TJ Spyke · « **Reply #159 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:57:44 AM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 30, 2009, 01:04:40 AM

The first two games had only about a dozen characters or so, so that doesn't really surprise me.

I just saw a commercial for the NES Power Glove on YouTube, and apparently it was compatible with the original Punch-Out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYBzKFm-rd0

How much do you want to bet that somebody is going to make a claim that the Wii version has no real new content since the original game technically had motion controls?

Some morons on GameFAQs are already doing that. While I was debating a troll on the "New Play Control! Pikmin" board, he was trolling Nintendo in general by claiming they are abandoning hardcore games. He claimed Excitebots is only for children and their parents, and that Punch-Out is just a better looking version of the original. After I pointed out that technically you could apply that to Street Fighter IV, I haven't heard back from him.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #160 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:32:14 AM »

I think Pap's comparison to Street Fighter IV is reaffirmed more by this news. Most of the fighters in SFIV are from previous games, though they are made "new" again by adjusting their movesets along with a brand new graphical style to further impact the player.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #161 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:53:36 AM »

Going even further with the Street Fighter comparison...

Street Fighter III was good, but the reason its not as beloved is because the new characters weren't memorable (So much so that none of them returned in SF IV).

While Super Punch Out was great the characters are not as memorable (No Little Mac, Doc Louis and only a few returning characters from the original).

Punch-Out Wii looks to be like the SF IV of the series; it goes back to the most popular game in the franchise, re-invents it in a striking graphical look, keeps the classic gameplay intact while creating new elements around that (motion controls, multiplayer and possibly balance board support).

People need to realize that Nintendo plans to re-launch the franchise, and the best way to do so is to get people nostalgic and trigger their NES memories.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #162 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:12:24 AM »

Punch Out 1 had:
Glass Joe
Von Kaiser
Piston Honda
Don Flamenco
King Hippo
Great Tiger
Bald Bull
Piston Honda AGAIN
Soda Popinski
Bald Bull AGAIN
Don Flamenco AGAIN
Mr. Sandman
Super Macho Man
Mike Tyson/Mr. Dream

That's 11 unique fighters. and Disco Kid would make 12.
So they must be bringing in some characters from Super Punch Out. I'm guessing Bear Hugger, he seems to be the most popular from the sequel.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #163 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:38:42 AM »

My friend beat this game in his time at the demo unit at GDC. Less than one hour. I'd say it must be quite a lot easier.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #164 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:40:20 AM »

Quote from: DAaaMan64 on March 30, 2009, 05:38:42 AM

My friend beat this game in his time at the demo unit at GDC. Less than one hour. I'd say it must be quite a lot easier.

Um, wasn't it a demo with 4 or 5 fights? Basically the minor circuit.

Spinnzilla · « **Reply #165 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:51:38 AM »

But the first circuit was super easy anyways in the original.

D_Average · « **Reply #166 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:45:44 AM »

Was anyone else confused as a kid as to why this guy was introduced as F* Charlie?

BranDonk Kong · « **Reply #167 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:54:51 AM »

It's just the minor circuit in the GDC game. Considering it takes about 4 minutes to beat the minor circuit in the original, I'd say "under an hour" is quite an improvement.

Stogi · « **Reply #168 on:** March 30, 2009, 12:55:17 PM »

So is balance board support real?

It's the only way I had imagined playing this game.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #169 on:** March 30, 2009, 01:07:58 PM »

Quote from: Kashogi Y. Stogi on March 30, 2009, 12:55:17 PM

So is balance board support real?

It's the only way I had imagined playing this game.

It isn't 100% confirmed. The reason people claim it might be real is because the confirmation came from a press release by Nintendo of Italy. The thing is that the other press releases have the exact, same info as the Italian one, but no mention of balance board, so the information for now is partly true, partly false.

vudu · « **Reply #170 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:14:56 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 30, 2009, 01:04:40 AM

The first two games had only about a dozen characters or so, so that doesn't really surprise me.

Super Punch-Out had 16 characters. I'm disappointed that the sequel can't at least match that.

D_Average · « **Reply #171 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:22:27 PM »

Anyone up for creating a Super Punch Out Time Attack sticky thread now that its out on the VC? We could post the 3 best times or so on each fighter. Forum members could send in a pic to validate their time.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #172 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:27:17 PM »

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That's 11 unique fighters. and Disco Kid would make 12.
So they must be bringing in some characters from Super Punch Out. I'm guessing Bear Hugger, he seems to be the most popular from the sequel.

Has Nintendo stated that all the characters from the first Punch-Out are in the game? I would assume we'll get a mix of characters from both games plus some new ones. One new character would be pretty damn lazy. I'm quite certain we'll get more than that.

There should be at least as many characters as Super Punch-Out has. I am quite disappointed that there aren't. I think my biggest fear with this game is that Nintendo just isn't doing enough with it. We've waiting almost 15 YEARS for a new Punch-Out game and it just seems worrying that it might be a little too similar to the NES game. Super Punch-Out should absolutely not be more advanced than this game. When Nintendo resurrected Metroid it isn't like the new games were less advanced than Super Metroid. Sequels should move forward and if a series remains inactive for so long the expectations are higher.

Nobody waited this long for the NES game with some new characters and new graphics. Even if the game turns out to be really good if that's what we get I would say they've failed.

vudu · « **Reply #173 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:31:10 PM »

Quote from: Ian Sane on March 30, 2009, 02:27:17 PM

Has Nintendo stated that all the characters from the first Punch-Out are in the game? I would assume we'll get a mix of characters from both games plus some new ones. One new character would be pretty damn lazy. I'm quite certain we'll get more than that.

Nope, only one new character has been confirmed. The rest are returning characters.

We don't know the mix of original characters and Super Punch-Out!! characters, but all I think ShyGuy was showing is that there will be at least one SPO character returning.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #174 on:** March 30, 2009, 02:32:46 PM »

It's not a sequel, it's called "Punch-Out!!"

meaning, it's a spinoff game so give the project to a spinoff developer that isn't Retro.

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