Author Topic: PUNCH OUT!! (Read 120522 times)

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #125 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:16:23 PM »

Quote from: Smash_Brother on March 24, 2009, 04:55:55 PM

I like this part of the article:

"Punch-Out!! on Wii offers great new control opportunities, utilising both the Wii Remote and Nunchuk to let you mimic the movements of the left and right hands as you let the leather fly. Meanwhile, the “classic” control system, invites you to use the Wii Remote in a sideways position to simulate the original NES controller and gives the real retro fight feel that Punch-Out!! fans love."

So bottom line, there's no grounds for any kind of bitching since the game can use both motion controls or classic controls.

Actually, fans HAVE complained about this as they feel that if they added classic controls then the motion controls suck, and vice versa. So yes, even when options are given to the player its a problem.

Mop it up · « **Reply #126 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:06:42 PM »

Well, not that I'm defending the "fans" or anything, but if motion controls can be replaced by buttons then this does likely mean they aren't as ambitious or intricate as they could be. I don't know how you could deny this.
However, this isn't indicative of whether or not the current controls actually work, nor does it mean something more ambitious would have worked. Given the nature of Punch-Out!!, it is a fast-paced game where precision is important, and if they had tried more complex controls -- such as attempting to build upon those in Wii Sports -- they would likely not function very well. In this game's case, if the motion controls work (and I haven't seen anything which suggests they don't), they will be more engrossing than the button-only controls even though all they are doing is replacing buttons.

While I can understand how one might be disappointed with the lack of intricate motion control, if the current controls not only function well but also allows the option for buttons then I don't see a problem. Anything more complex would make the game more realistic, which sort of goes against the spirit of Punch-Out!!; for anyone looking for something realistic, there are other boxing games available on Wii.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #127 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:08:18 PM »

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for anyone looking for something realistic, there are other boxing games available on Wii.

Good boxing games is another story though.

Mop it up · « **Reply #128 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:25:13 PM »

I've never played any of them so I wouldn't know. Wii Sports Boxing seems pretty solid though, and everyone has that. If nothing good is currently out there then there will probably be something eventually, possibly using WM+ to expand on Wii Boxing's 1:1 control. There is only one Punch-Out!! though, and it should not become like everything else.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #129 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:51:53 PM »

Punch-Out was never meant to be a deep, realistic boxing simulator. Its an arcade game (it DID start as an arcade game) with only the basics.

For that to happen, EA would have to bring their Fight Night series to Wii and create a whole new control scheme based on that.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #130 on:** March 24, 2009, 08:17:27 PM »

With M+ getting as much hype as it has been and EA's surprising good efforts to support it, I wouldn't be surprised if Fight Night was the next big EA Sports game to get the M+ upgrade. Hopefully with dual Wiimote M+ support.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #131 on:** March 24, 2009, 08:22:05 PM »

Quote from: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2009, 08:17:27 PM

With M+ getting as much hype as it has been and EA's surprising good efforts to support it, I wouldn't be surprised if Fight Night was the next big EA Sports game to get the M+ upgrade. Hopefully with dual Wiimote M+ support.

That would be very cool. EA's current Wii Motion+ games are getting a ton of praise, so I'd think it is pretty much a lock we'll see Fight Night using it.

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #132 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:28:52 PM »

http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/24128
Disco Kid fights Little Mac, Read all about it!
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47168.html
Glass Joe vs Little Mac
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47167.html
Von Kaiser takes on Little Mac

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #133 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:16:51 PM »

Awesome videos!

I am starting to suspect that the balance board confirmation was bogus. They checked the other press releases from Nintendo and the only one that confirms this is the Italian one. If the game did indeed use the BB shouldn't we have heard something about it by now?

Mop it up · « **Reply #134 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:20:45 PM »

Wouldn't balance board support make this game too complex anyway? It would mean that there would be some sort of complex dodging system with all of the leaning and such. It would seem to go against the spirit of a Punch-Out!! game and doesn't really make sense.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #135 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:55:12 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 25, 2009, 08:20:45 PM

Wouldn't balance board support make this game too complex anyway? It would mean that there would be some sort of complex dodging system with all of the leaning and such. It would seem to go against the spirit of a Punch-Out!! game and doesn't really make sense.

I agree as well. The gameplay would allow for moving left and right, but according to GDC impressions the game works great with both motion controls and classic controls.

I would love a confirmation of this. It isn't of Nintendo to leak something in a foreign press release.

vudu · « **Reply #136 on:** March 26, 2009, 02:55:35 PM »

I thought I read that you can play with classic controls, motion controls or the balance board. Meaning if you used the balance board you wouldn't be playing with your hands at all--everything would be done using the board.

Stogi · « **Reply #137 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:00:40 PM »

No offense, but that's retarded.

vudu · « **Reply #138 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:01:45 PM »

I thought so, too. (Hey, it wasn't MY idea.)

I found the article I mentioned. Looks like I didn't bother to fully read it.

The headline is Wii Punch-Out!! Has Another Control Scheme: Your Feet and the first sentence of the article is "Nintendo's European arm leaks one more previously unannounced Punch-Out!! features, noting that the Wii remake of the NES classic will offer Wii Balance Board support for a third control scheme".

However, if I had gone on to read the article I would have seen the following.

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Seems Little Mac has a fitness ultimatum of his own to issue, as Nintendo of Italy's press release brings first word of Balance Board support, indicating that Punch-Out!! players will be able to dodge punches by shifting their weight on the Wii Fit peripheral. It sounds like the Balance Board will be used in tandem with the Wii Remote and Nunchuk motion control scheme.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Mop it up · « **Reply #139 on:** March 26, 2009, 09:28:12 PM »

Well, I guess it could work, so long as it is just as simple as leaning to the left makes your character dodge to the left and leaning to the right makes your character dodge right. Anything more is too complex for a Punch-Out!! game if you ask me.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #140 on:** March 27, 2009, 01:44:51 PM »

You know what I sometimes like about the Nintendo fanbase? When their fears are confirmed to be wrong, they stay quiet and look away. But the minute someone mentions something negative they look back and waggling their fingers saying "I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW".

After a strong set of positive impressions from the media Destructoid has posted a slightly negative set of impressions, mainly ragging on the motion controls (which can be switched to classic controls on the fly):
http://www.destructoid.com/gdc-09-hands-on-with-punch-out-wii-126414.phtml

What I find amusing is that because of THIS set of impressions fans are saying the game is doomed, never mind the fact that it was a short demo consisting of four matches from the EASY first circuit and NLG has promised more content and features in the final version of the game, including the possibility of multiple difficulty settings and more robust content.

You know what? I am truly convinced that even if the game delivers on ALL aspects, from gameplay to content and there's nothing wrong to complain fans will not be happy because the game is NOT exactly as they envisioned and will not enjoy it for what it is; a return of the classic game in a new package.

Mop it up · « **Reply #141 on:** March 27, 2009, 07:45:15 PM »

Pap64, I think you should give up on this "fanbase" you keep referring to ("fanbase" is in quotes because, well, if they're fans why are they so negative?). They seem like the type who just like to complain about everything and aren't ever going to change or be satisfied with anything. Perhaps you should just ignore them if they annoy you? Or do they not annoy you and you are just making observations?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #142 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:01:15 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 27, 2009, 07:45:15 PM

Pap64, I think you should give up on this "fanbase" you keep referring to ("fanbase" is in quotes because, well, if they're fans why are they so negative?). They seem like the type who just like to complain about everything and aren't ever going to change or be satisfied with anything. Perhaps you should just ignore them if they annoy you? Or do they not annoy you and you are just making observations?

I'm annoyed by fanbase people who criticize someone else for being disgusted by the fanbase!

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #143 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:40:56 PM »

Quote from: Mop_it_up on March 27, 2009, 07:45:15 PM

Pap64, I think you should give up on this "fanbase" you keep referring to ("fanbase" is in quotes because, well, if they're fans why are they so negative?). They seem like the type who just like to complain about everything and aren't ever going to change or be satisfied with anything. Perhaps you should just ignore them if they annoy you? Or do they not annoy you and you are just making observations?

A little bit of both. I admit they do annoy me, but they don't annoy me enough that my whole gaming experience is ruined. I mainly like to make observations and point out how a fanbase reacts to something.

I mean think about it...

During the GC years if this Punch-Out was released people would have jumped all over it, claim that Nintendo was the best and give it a high score.

But since this Punch-Out is coming out on the very evil Wii now the fanbase is cynical, since it employs some new things exclusive to this generation of gaming (like motion controls).

What I find funny is that some people complain that this game is basically the classic NES game with better graphics. Yet many games are essentially updated takes on classic gameplay conventions.

Street Fighter IV is an example of this. Yes, it has brand new graphics and engine tweaks, but it plays like a classic Street Fighter game. All of the characters save for a few are from previous games and it plays very closely to the old arcade games (though I am sure some of the more hardcore fans will tell major differences between the two).

So, isn't Street Fighter IV the same game but with shinier packaging? Technically yes, but it shines because the gameplay still works and the presentation is great.

I suspect the same thing will happen to Punch-Out. Even if it plays exactly like the NES titles the gameplay will still prove worthy and the new take on the series will make it something outstanding.

Not every game needs to innovate or break new ground just to be good.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #144 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:49:19 PM »

Punch-Out has potential to be a monster hit and one of Nintendo's talked about bridge games. The first punch-out was a very casual game that ANYONE could enjoy. The motion controls are icing on the cake for those on the fence who bought the Wii more for "physical" games like Wii Sports. Not to mention it has eye catching box art. It is odd how now the series is some hardcore game when it has always been a game for everyone. I hope Nintendo gives it proper marketing because they may have something special on their hands.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #145 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:56:49 PM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on March 27, 2009, 08:49:19 PM

Punch-Out has potential to be a monster hit and one of Nintendo's talked about bridge games. The first punch-out was a very casual game that ANYONE could enjoy. The motion controls are icing on the cake for those on the fence who bought the Wii more for "physical" games like Wii Sports. Not to mention it has eye catching box art. It is odd how now the series is some hardcore game when it has always been a game for everyone. I hope Nintendo gives it proper marketing because they may have something special on their hands.

I think the reason fans say Punch-Out is a hardcore game is because the game progressed and got harder as you learned the ropes.

I agree that Punch-Out was one of the many bridge games on the NES. Not only was the game accessible and easy to understand it featured Mike Tyson, who at the time was very famous and thus everyone knew this was his game.

I think gamers in general don't realize that ALL of life's activities can be hardcore. Baseball, for example, can be enjoyed casually. But once you learned the ropes and decide to pursue it as a profession it becomes harder. People enjoy bowling with friends. But professional bowlers know that it can be hard to try and understand how the ball rolls and how things like speed and movement can affect a throw.

If you go on you learn that nothing in life is easy nor impossible that you can't enjoy it. That's what Punch-Out is; a game so easy any gamer can learn, but those with the skills and patience can progress. And even then, the game doesn't change. The idea is still the same; dodge and hit. The thing is that the opponent has gotten smarter and now YOU must be the smart one.

Many arcade games showed this practice too. The original Donkey Kong featured a simple idea. But as the guys behind "The King of Kong" will tell you there's a lot more going on.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #146 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:01:48 PM »

Punch-Out was almost flawless when it came to ramping up the difficulty. No matter your skill you could progress past a couple of the fighters, which provide a sense of accomplishment since EVERY battle was like an epic boss battle.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #147 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:10:34 PM »

When I first played the game I was 7 to 8 years old. The game actually scared me because the characters looked really tough and my guy was very small. When I was in Middle School I re-discovered the game and decided to conquer it so to speak. Every day I would play it and advance. One day I got up to King Hippo. The next day I realized how to beat him and moved up to the next. I kept going till I got to Macho Man and it was really fun climbing the ladder of success.

Punch-Out Wii looks to accomplish that. I think the motion controls, despite the simplicity of them, could add a lot.

Mop it up · « **Reply #148 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:06:35 PM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on March 27, 2009, 08:49:19 PM

The first punch-out was a very casual game that ANYONE could enjoy.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Then again, I suppose I'm talking semantics as labeling any game as "for everyone" is a bit of a misnomer as I don't believe there to be any game in existence which absolutely every person on the face of the planet would enjoy. Case in point: me. I don't like Punch-Out!!, the game is just too difficult. I'm not even going to tell you how many times I attempted to beat the first round of boxers, as even with being as open as I am about my dearth of gaming skill, it's still too embarrassing to mention.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #149 on:** March 27, 2009, 10:10:43 PM »

Pretty much everyone in my family loved it and they are NOT gamers. They couldn't get past the first round of boxers but they still loved it, there is enough sense of accomplishment even if you can, let's say, get by two of them. Also I'll hit back at your supposed semantic indictment, I said it is a game that anyone COULD enjoy. Not necessarily WILL enjoy.

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