Topic: Superman Reboot

[Halbred]

Wonde Woman's been re-invented a hundred times before. She has more reboots than almost any other DC hero(ine). At one point she didn't have ANY super powers, wasn't from Atlantis, and was just really good at martial arts.

But we definately need a good superheroine movie. Wonder Woman would fit the bill great--conceptually, she's my favorite female superhero (Catwoman is a close second: you can do a lot with that character).*

*Halle Berry movie doesn't count. Let's pretend it doesn't exist.

Anyway, Wonder Woman could be something as simple as a female Iron Man: a female scientist discovers a strength serum and/or electromagnetic devicecs that repell bullets (like the Dark Knight anime). They could even go with a Bionic Woman angle. The invisible jet idea is just plain stupid--always has been--and if they want her to fly, I'd prefer a practical method. Really, I'd just get rid of the flying.

I'm not familiar enough with Wonder Woman's rogue's gallery to suggest particularly relevant villains. She could battle military experiment soldiers with codenames: Medusa or Cheetah, each with different "powers" borne from serum experiments.

I'd like Donna Troy in there too, somehow, but in a "hint hint" role, like having James Rhodes in Iron Man. In the comics, she's Diana's sister, but in this imaginary movie, she could be a lab technician or a fellow "successful" experiment or something.

[ThePerm]

its really hard to make wonderwoman or superman without making them lame. That being said i think it can be done. In some ways i just hate origin stories...i don't know why they are so important. I can imagine wonderwoman showing up and just kicking ass and doing asskicking things. I don't think the suit is too important.

[ShyGuy]

Yeah, usually the first movie of a super hero franchise has to be wasted on an origin story. Often times this isn't very well done.

[UncleBob]

Anyway, Wonder Woman could be something as simple as a female Iron Man: a female scientist discovers a strength serum and/or electromagnetic devicecs that repell bullets (like the Dark Knight anime). They could even go with a Bionic Woman angle.

Dear lord, please no.
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the Greek Mythos angle?  I mean, Hercules and Xena were mega-popular...

[that Baby guy]

Well, for what it's worth, origin stories can be overrated.  Why not just have the hero suddenly be there?  The people don't know where he or she came from, and directors and writers can all just tell the studio that they're "saving the origin for a sequel."  WB and Sony would just eat that type of talk right up.

What's more important is personality and character, which, oddly enough doesn't get developed when those movies go into a massive origin story mode.

So why not just let Wonder Woman be Wonder Woman, and not worry about where she came from, maybe a few hints here or there, but nothing major.  If the movie does well enough, talk a little about it in the second one.  If that does well enough, talk a little more about it in the third, but don't spend chunks of any of the movies devoted to it.

[Khushrenada]

Anyway, Wonder Woman could be something as simple as a female Iron Man: a female scientist discovers a strength serum and/or electromagnetic devicecs that repell bullets (like the Dark Knight anime). They could even go with a Bionic Woman angle.

Dear lord, please no.
Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the Greek Mythos angle?  I mean, Hercules and Xena were mega-popular...

Yes, but as I said in my post, those were sent in ancient Greek times and not modern times.

[UncleBob]

What's wrong with the idea of an island of Greek myths that has hidden itself away from mankind for years?

[ThePerm]

that origin worked pretty well in Hancock. A passing mention i believe can beat out a whole crappy origin. Im sorry but comic book origins are too goofy for me. As much as I like comic books...i liked Batman Begins because batman doesn't have super powers. Joker's Origin..**** it...its better to wonder where this crazy motherfucker came from. He mentions it, but he's lying. i was reading Ebert's Movie review book and it was funny because he took it as face value. His ratings on all the Batman movies are all pretty accurate actually. I read a 1996 or so Ebert review book that had batman and batman returns...he was pretty straight forward....alot of flash and style but not much characterization.

[Khushrenada]

What's wrong with the idea of an island of Greek myths that has hidden itself away from mankind for years?

As I said before, it is the fact that the Greek Gods are still around as well. But despite the power they have to make Wonder Woman and help the Amazons, they are localized to this single isle. Why just the Greek gods? What about the other mythological gods? Why can they not exhert influence elsewhere? Then we get back to the other things like her invisible jet. What gift of the gods is that? It is Greek in what way?

I don't have a problem with a beautiful Greek island being hidden away all this time. There's something you can keep as part of her personality and origin. But there are more things than just that which bug me. Like the fact that it is all women so how do they reproduce? They don't. But they are immortal. And what do they do with that immortality? Live on an island forever! Alrighty. But finally, they decided to create a baby and then later send their new offspring out to represent their society. Which makes perfect sense since they have been around for a 1,000 years but Wonder Woman has only been around, what, 50 years? She's definitely going to make the best representative for them and offer so much knowledge on their ways and customs.

It's like reaching into a barrel of sticky notes. There are so many problems and illogical things with Wonder Woman. I could keep reaching in and pulling out a new reason everytime. When you realize the amount of problems, the mind grows uninterested in delving into them all.


However, getting back to Superman, it was a good week for Superman stories. Superman annual was an awesome look into the planet Daxam's history which is great since it has been growing in importance lately. Blackest Night Superman was also very good. I love the cover on that issue. And there's nothing like a good Superman VS evil Superman battle, right? And Supergirl helped ramp things up for the climax of the Codename: Patriot arc for next week. I can't wait to see how that ends. Even knowing the solicits and previews for the upcoming months, I'm still not sure how things are going to shake down. Great stuff.

[UncleBob]

The Gods may have chosen to withdraw from society.  I can accept that.
As for the invisible jet, I'm fine with getting rid if it, but I think I'm remembering a different origin story than you.

The one I remember, pilot Steve Trevor crash-lands his jet on WW's hidden island (Pure, dumb chance?  Did they make it visible for him?)  The inhabitants of the island fix his jet - and they fix it good, mixing man's engineering with the magic of the Gods - thus, invisible jet.  But, again, get rid if it.

Anywhoo, WW gets smitten with Steve and, basically, throws a tantrum so that she can escort him back to Man's world.  (He's sick and needs help).  It's decided that, since WW has never actually been to Man's world, she can go, partially as a learning experience for herself, partially to see if man is ready to become more peaceful and interact with the greek Gods once more.

[BlackNMild2k1]

The Gods may have chosen to withdraw from society.  I can accept that.
As for the invisible jet, I'm fine with getting rid if it, but I think I'm remembering a different origin story than you.

The one I remember, pilot Steve Trevor crash-lands his jet on WW's hidden island (Pure, dumb chance?  Did they make it visible for him?)  The inhabitants of the island fix his jet - and they fix it good, mixing man's engineering with the magic of the Gods - thus, invisible jet.  But, again, get rid if it.

Anywhoo, WW gets smitten with Steve and, basically, throws a tantrum so that she can escort him back to Man's world.  (He's sick and needs help).  It's decided that, since WW has never actually been to Man's world, she can go, partially as a learning experience for herself, partially to see if man is ready to become more peaceful and interact with the greek Gods once more.

Isn't that more or less the story line for that new WW movie that DC Comics just released not so long ago? minus the invisible jet made from Steve's wrecked Jet.

[UncleBob]

Dunno - didn't see it.  But I would believe it's possible, since it's what I remember her origin story being.

[ThePerm]

Have her have powers, and not know why and then later find out she comes from a long line of greek super powered beings that fooled everyone into thinking they were gods in the BCs

[ThePerm]

superman could always fight Zod again

[Halbred]

KNEEL BEFORE ZOD