Topic: Iwata: We are sorry about [the E3] media briefings

[Smash_Brother]

My biggest complaint about Nintendo's E3 this year was that it felt awkward and scripted. In fact, I think this video sums it up nicely:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XR7LaJLLf8&feature=related

Also, who the hell thought it was a good idea to have THIS on stage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRriCJARvU

[Ian Sane]

Never forget that Iwata promised us Smash Brothers at launch.

Yeah but who the hell believes release dates?  Those slide all the time.  I never thought Iwata lied about that, Nintendo just couldn't keep their optimistic estimated time frame.  I assume Reggie is full a sh!t when asked tough questions that he can't answer in a positive way or when praising specific products.  I didn't really expect him to draw our attention to E3 only to "trick" us.  When has Nintendo ever done that before?  I didn't trust Reggie to REALLY deliver something great.  I distrust his PR position enough to not fall for that.  But it was like we got nothing.  Who expected THAT?

Though I won't expect anything next year at all.  Or pretty much anything any Nintendo exec says about anything.  Until an independent source confirms it (ie: the media tries a demo and confirms some promised feature is really there) it's bullsh!t.

[King of Twitch]

Smash_Brother: Awkward yes, but of course it's scripted? You want them to ad-lib all those pie charts? 

[Ceric]

What gets me most was the lack of anything truly new.  The big announcements were WiiSports2, WiiMusic, and Animal Crossing.  Nintendo has been pretty clear that all of those were coming.

[Kairon]

Well, I think E3 08 DID feel more scripted than previous scripted E3's. I chalk this up to the combination of Reggie and Cammie. Reggie was always very scripted before (whereas for some reason I rarely feel that Miyamoto and Iwata seem scripted even though they obviously are), but Reggie combined with Cammie... hmm... I hope next year's E3 presentation has smoother exchanges between the two of them.

[ShyGuy]

Well, apparently we've been complaining loudly enough that the casuals are shaking their heads at our behavior.

Augie DeBleck has an entry about it at VariousandSundry
http://www.variousandsundry.com/2008/07/23/nintendo-watchers-are-an-odd-lot/

[blackfootsteps]

I know it's hard to believe but E3 just isn't that important anymore.  I know it has a long history as a business meeting and then a gamer's mecca and then back to a business meeting, but the times, they are a-changin'. 

Good point, evidenced by the seeming displeasure in Sony and MS camps as well.  Oh well at least I wont have to stay up til 4am next year to watch it live.

I think that if the Motion Plus information hadn't come out the day before the show I personally would have been more blown away. As it was I was pre-blown away the day before when I read it on here, definitely not as cool as finding out live.

[Adrock]

the hardcore never agree with each other over what they want and sometimes request very odd and complex things, like, say... 2D Castlevania on consoles.

Just out of curiosity, why is that odd and/or complex? It wouldn't sell as much as say, Zelda, but it sure as hell will sell more than IGA's "3D action versus game that's not a fighting game, but sounds awfully like a fighting game."

When all the creative energy is dedicated to non-games it suggests that that's all Nintendo really wants to do and everything else is a token effort to keep the old market from leaving.  Iwata is apologizing but doesn't realize exactly what he's apologizing for.  It is more than just an E3 snub.

I agree, but not so much with your other points. Sequels are scraps now? Wow, that's harsh. I want sequels AND new IPs too, but I wouldn't call a new Zelda or Mario scraps...

[Ceric]

My biggest complaint about Nintendo's E3 this year was that it felt awkward and scripted. In fact, I think this video sums it up nicely:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XR7LaJLLf8&feature=related

Also, who the hell thought it was a good idea to have THIS on stage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgRriCJARvU

Lord almighty... I'm so glad I didn't watch that debacle... Also please hide the smile lady... Please...

[Smash_Brother]

Well, I think E3 08 DID feel more scripted than previous scripted E3's. I chalk this up to the combination of Reggie and Cammie. Reggie was always very scripted before (whereas for some reason I rarely feel that Miyamoto and Iwata seem scripted even though they obviously are), but Reggie combined with Cammie... hmm... I hope next year's E3 presentation has smoother exchanges between the two of them.

It really did feel awkward and scripted.

Cammie kept mentioning what she was playing as if she was trying to gain acceptance with the audience. Mistake number one. You have to make them come to you, not the other way around.

Mistake number two was the awful tension between the people on stage. It just made me feel bad for them.

Mistake three was that crazy idiot on drums. You couldn't tell if he was supposed to be drumming or having a seizure.

Mistake number four was, and I hate to say it, Wii Music. It looked really unnatural while people were playing it, not to mention that I think they've managed to reach a level that even the causals will say "this is really too simple..."

And mistake number 5 was not showing so much as a screenshot for any upcoming "hardcore" game. I can't imagine that there wasn't at least SOME piece of media they could've shown of an upcoming gamer game to make fans say "Hey cool, look at that!", especially something to show off why the Wii motion plus is such a big deal.

If Red Steel 2 will use it, a demo of swordfighting with it would've been excellent.

But yeah, the other shows weren't much better.

[Stogi]

Jesus christ!

I haven't heard so much blatant bitching since the wiimote was released. My god, can you all just shut the **** up for a moment?

Or how about this........FUCKING DEAL WITH IT.

Whenever Nintendo takes a "mis-step" you guys pounce on it like ravenous dogs, even more so now than usual. It's like them being market leader isn't enough for you; you want them to lick every millimeter of your balls. What's sad is you guys will never change either (case in point, IANSANE). You still buy Nintendo products willfully. You still support the company you "hate", but love to bitch about. How about this....How about you guys grow some balls and sell your Wii?

Better yet.....stop playing games all together.

How about that?

Jeezzzzzzzz, you're like that guy with the shitty girlfriend who doesn't do **** about it except bitch to his friends.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Can someone tell me when Nintendo was huge on creating new IPs? What did we get on GC? Um, Pikmin? Battalion Wars? Seriously quit yapping about new IPs, it is something Nintendo hasn't really done much of since the NES days where everything was new! Wii is no different from GC when it comes to new IPs. Heck Wii has potential to have MORE new IPs than GC even though it is those horrible casual games (I know terrifying). N64 was even worse than GC when it came to new IPs and many NIntendo fans consider the N64 generation great so obviously it isn't that important.

[NWR_insanolord]

Can someone tell me when Nintendo was huge on creating new IPs? What did we get on GC? Um, Pikmin? Battalion Wars? Seriously quit yapping about new IPs, it is something Nintendo hasn't really done much of since the NES days where everything was new! Wii is no different from GC when it comes to new IPs. Heck Wii has potential to have MORE new IPs than GC even though it is those horrible casual games (I know terrifying). N64 was even worse than GC when it came to new IPs and many NIntendo fans consider the N64 generation great so obviously it isn't that important.

This is a very good point. I can't think of a single new IP on the N64 that came out in the west (Animal Crossing and Custom Robo, and maybe one other came out in Japan). The Cube got Pikmin, Battalion Wars, and Geist, and the SNES, way back in the good old days when Nintendo was number one without having to cater to those filthy, filthy casuals, had F-Zero, Pilotwings and Star Fox. The Wii is already getting one new IP, Disaster, which is a new IP even if it's not any good, and while not technically a new IP the rumored Kid Icarus would have the same basic effect as one. The Wii's not even halfway through it's life, there's plenty of time for new stuff.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I forgot about Geist, I really hope they do a sequel for it, the game had tons of promise. Look at the DS Nintendo has a few new IPs like that Captain Rainbow, Professor Layton, and well about any of their point n click puzzle games.

[Stogi]

Captain Rainbow is a Wii game!

Uh oh......don't let johnny boy read your post! It's more fuel to the flame!

[GoldenPhoenix]

Captain Rainbow is a Wii game!

Uh oh......don't let johnny boy read your post! It's more fuel to the flame!

Dangit, ok that is even better it is a new IP for Wii (I really don't know much about it besides it being, um, different)

[Chozo Ghost]

Geez, you guys are still going on about E3?? Umm, I hate to break it to you, but that conference ended like a week ago. Get over it and move on. Yeah, it sucked compared to the E3s of the past, but Nintendo has alot more going on than they announced. Trust me on that one. we should all know by now how secretive Nintendo is and how they don't usually announce things until the last minute.

There WILL be more hardcore games for the Wii. Just hang on and enjoy the games that do exist in the meantime.

[BigJim]

Ah, yes. They're coming, no really. Just keep waiting.

[Ceric]

*shrug*
Personally I like the over analyzing.  It makes the boards lively and allows us to be creative.  If we get it right that's great if we get it wrong its embarrassing.

[Chozo Ghost]

if we get it wrong its embarrassing.

Not really, because I don't think anyone remembers or will call you on your wrong predictions. For instance, I had predicted that a Zelda FPS would be unveiled at E3, but that didn't happen and now I can just quietly pretend I never said that it would be.

[EasyCure]

It's like them being market leader isn't enough for you; you want them to lick every millimeter of your balls

you want them to lick every millimeter of your balls

lick every millimeter of your balls

it echoes thru my head and i must say this is definately POTY material.

good job.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Ah, yes. They're coming, no really. Just keep waiting.

Yeah like Wario Land and Fatal Frame IV.

[Ian Sane]

I can't think of a single new IP on the N64 that came out in the west

How about?

Banjo-Kazooie
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Goldeneye/Perfect Dark
Blast Corps
Jet Force Gemini

Oh right.  Because Rare left we forget they never existed.  Silly me.  Aside from Donkey Kong and Killer Instinct Rare was busting out new IPs with every game.  They were a second party and exclusive Nintendo developer so it counts.  Of course Nintendo themselves had the advantage that they just went 3D so even if most of their games were sequels they were so innovative and different that they might as well be something completely new.  On the Gamecube I would count Metroid Prime in the "new" category because it was such a big difference from Super Metroid that there was no "been there done that" feeling.

Maybe Nintendo just lucked out there with the 3D thing allowing them to continue with the same IPs but do so in a fresh new way.  If Nintendo could actually find a way to use the remote in a sequel that would change things in as huge of a way as 3D did then that too would be about the same as a new IP.  If those Kid Icarus rumours are true then odds are that would substancially different enough to be the same as a new IP.  And sequels aren't scraps but rather getting JUST sequels is.

It's like them being market leader isn't enough for you

Back in the Cube days when we would discuss what Nintendo could or should do to get back on top I got a lot of flack because my ideas were often accused of Nintendo selling out by being too much like Sony.  My attitude was that I didn't want Nintendo to compromise what was good about them but to change the bad things.  No one for example is a fan of Nintendo because they treat third parties like crap so fixing something like that was perfectly acceptable but compromising the quality of their games was not because that was a valid reason to be a Nintendo fan.  And the whole purpose was not bragging rights or anything like that.  It was for Nintendo to attract better third party support so that its fans could buy just a Nintendo console and be almost completely satisfied.  It was also to allow Nintendo to have more influence on the industry which seemed like a good thing.

Well Nintendo did the one thing I didn't want them to do: compromise the quality of their games.  The third party support still sucks.  The only advantage we get from the Wii being on top is bragging rights, which is useless.  Nintendo has more influence but because they've changed it's a bad influence.  So them being market leader isn't enough for me because they've rejected what I liked about them in the first place to get there.  Would you be happy if your political party won the election by compromising all the principles that attracted you to the party in the first place?

[Luigi Dude]

Well Nintendo did the one thing I didn't want them to do: compromise the quality of their games.  The third party support still sucks.  The only advantage we get from the Wii being on top is bragging rights, which is useless.  Nintendo has more influence but because they've changed it's a bad influence.  So them being market leader isn't enough for me because they've rejected what I liked about them in the first place to get there.  Would you be happy if your political party won the election by compromising all the principles that attracted you to the party in the first place?

Oh come on now.  In the last year alone Nintendo's released some of their best games ever.  Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Smash Bros Brawl, Fire Emblem and Mario Kart Wii are all considered some of the better games in each of their respectable series.  Not to mention you've had other great games like Mario Strikers Charged as well as Battalion Wars.

Hell Nintendo hasn't had a year where they released this many quality titles on one system within such a short period since the SNES era.  So how exactly are they compromising the quality of their games on the Wii, when they've done nothing but release some of their best games on the Wii?

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Ian doesn't play Nintendo games so he doesn't necessarily know about those.