Topic: Sonic & The Black Knight

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

"Patience is a virtue and as soon as fanboys figure that out and stop exploding the internet with ignorance, the better we'll all be."

Fanboys don't figure out such things.

[Ceric]

"Patience is a virtue and as soon as fanboys figure that out and stop exploding the internet with ignorance, the better we'll all be."

Fanboys don't figure out such things.

Yep.

*boom*

[BeautifulShy]

You could have your art in this game!

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Yeah Hideo Kojima can put MGS4 in the game.

\( '.')/

[BeautifulShy]

Pro did you follow the link?

[NWR_pap64]

Pro did you follow the link?

I think what he meant is that Kojima (and reviewers as well) see MSG4 as a piece of art, and since this contest has you submitting your own pieces of art...

In short, Pro suggested that Kojima should submit MSG4 in the art contest.

[BeautifulShy]

Thank you for clearing that up Pap64. So is anybody going to enter?

[Gylldas]

It would be nice to enter if only they saw how much care I put into every line in a stick figure.  I own and enjoyed Secret Rings but I agree that the jumping was a bit awkward.  Really, I am hoping that Sonic Team can nail either Unleashed or Black Night (hopefully both) because once upon a time I was a big Sega fan and their downward spiral really depresses me.

Anyways...I wonder if they'll be tacking a multiplayer mode onto this game or not.  As mediocre as it was I had some family who were obsessed with the multiplayer from Secret Rings and would probably be an insta-buy for them if this one did.

[BeautifulShy]

How was Secret Rings?My experience with Sonic is limited being a Nintendo fan.I only played Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic Adventure DX, and Sonic Heroes.

[Mario]

Sonic Mega Collection is all you need.

[NWR_insanolord]

Sonic Mega Collection is all you need.

Sonic Adventure 1 is pretty good, as are most of the Sonics on the GBA and DS, but that statement is pretty much true.

EDIT: Except maybe Gems Collection for Sonic CD, one of the best games that I've never played.

[BeautifulShy]

I will have to find Mega Collection again because it was stolen.I have to find Gems Collections.I plan on getting a DS Lite soon out of the two games which would you suggest?

[NWR_insanolord]

I actually liked the GBA Sonics better than the DS ones, they felt more like platformers than the Rush games which focused more on speed. If you want one of the DS ones I only played the first one, and it fared slightly better (2.5%) than the sequel on GameRankings.

[KDR_11k]

I thought speed was the whole point of Sonic...

Of the GBA Sonics I only played the third but it had a LOT of nasty traps, e.g. running through a parcourse (you know, with accelerators and all that) then suddently a wall stopping the run and spikes popping out of the ground a moment later.

[NWR_insanolord]

Speed is Sonic's gimmick, yes, but I think it's overemphasized in the DS games. It seems like you're just running full speed through the level without interacting much with it. Sonic 2 and 3, which I and most other people consider the high points of the series, didn't feel that way to me, there was much more platforming in them.

[Gylldas]

I was an odd case growing up with Sonic (and videogames in general) because as a kid I only had handhelds like the Game Gear and Game Boy Brick.  One Sonic game that I think is often overlooked is Sonic Triple Trouble for the Game Gear.  That was my absolute favorite Sonic game on the system.

Out of the GBA games I only have the first game and Sonic Rush on the DS.  While some of the levels are more platform oriented in Sonic Advance, the bosses are hands down better in Rush. (Triple Trouble beats both though ;P)

[NWR_insanolord]

Yeah, Rush had very good bosses.

[NWR_pap64]

How was Secret Rings?My experience with Sonic is limited being a Nintendo fan.I only played Sonic Mega Collection, Sonic Adventure DX, and Sonic Heroes.

If you were to ask how was Secret Rings you would get a never ending sea of mixed reviews...

I personally liked it. The story is quite inventive in my honest opinion, and its much better than the anime cliche they call a Sonic storyline. The new locales are also a breath of fresh air from the cities, casinos and airships that storm the series. You get everything from an Arabian city to the Pirate sea!

But the one thing that may make or break the game for you is the gameplay. In my eyes its better than any of the recent games and I think its a much better game than what people give it credit for. However, there are still some instances of typical Sega development ignorance, such as instances of bugs, some unfair challenges and moments in which the controls don't work as well as they should.

I say give the game a rent, or buy it for really cheap. Its worth checking out since its a solid Wii title, but I can't say for sure if you will like it.

[vudu]

To add to what Pap said, there were generally two levels in each world that were pure awesome.  These were the levels where the only goal is to get to the end.  You raced through the entire world at top speed and it was bliss.

Unfortunately, there were usually another dozen levels in each world that ranged from blah to frustratingly horrible.  These were the levels that took a smaller portion of the world and gave you some arbitrary assignment like kill X number of enemies or collect Y number of rings or make it to the end without A) collecting any rings, B) breaking a pot, C) killing an enemy, etc.

Since you needed to play the shitty levels in order to unlock the good levels, it made for a very uneven experience.  If you're the least bit interested in the game I would recommend getting it for cheap (you can probably find it for under $10 used), downloading a complete save file from GameFAQS, and only playing the good levels.  If you pretend 80% of the levels don't exist you'll think the game is awesome.

[KDR_11k]

I think even some of the "special" missions were interesting but I haven't played very far so they might get more annoying later on...

[NWR_pap64]

To add to what Pap said, there were generally two levels in each world that were pure awesome.  These were the levels where the only goal is to get to the end.  You raced through the entire world at top speed and it was bliss.

Unfortunately, there were usually another dozen levels in each world that ranged from blah to frustratingly horrible.  These were the levels that took a smaller portion of the world and gave you some arbitrary assignment like kill X number of enemies or collect Y number of rings or make it to the end without A) collecting any rings, B) breaking a pot, C) killing an enemy, etc.

Since you needed to play the ****ty levels in order to unlock the good levels, it made for a very uneven experience.  If you're the least bit interested in the game I would recommend getting it for cheap (you can probably find it for under $10 used), downloading a complete save file from GameFAQS, and only playing the good levels.  If you pretend 80% of the levels don't exist you'll think the game is awesome.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of some of the challenges either. The race levels were indeed the best because even if you sucked you can still complete it. The other challenges, though, sometimes require you to be precise and on the other. Miss and you fail.

So again, I suggest renting cause you might love or hate the game.

[BeautifulShy]

Everybody thank you for your advice. I will probably buy Secret Rings cheap and grab Rush as well. Of the advance games which would you suggest?I played the first one only.

[Flames_of_chaos]

Everybody thank you for your advice. I will probably buy Secret Rings cheap and grab Rush as well. Of the advance games which would you suggest?I played the first one only.

Secret Rings can be found for 29.99 or less easily Sonic Rush can be found for 9.99 - 19.99.
Secret Rings is average at best and Sonic Rush is awesome. Sonic Rush Adventure I heard it was okay.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

More Sonic revealed

[that Baby guy]

I personally don't think Rush and Rush adventure were worth the buy.  Get Sonic Advance, and skip the other six or so Sonic games on Nintendo handhelds, the rest drifted a bit too far.  That's a little off topic, though.

This game could be one of the better Sonic games in recent years.  I agree with what was said about Sonic and the Secret Rings above: The stages where you get to actually play the game without a twist or an annoying goal were fun, but the controls and issues with all the challenges made the game intolerable.  I couldn't finish it, I played it, and after about three or four hours, I just couldn't go on.  Some parts were a lot of fun, but others weren't so much.

This game has potential for a few reasons, the first of which, it likely gets rid of that annoying Homing Attack, which is part of what destroyed Sonic's platforming in the Adventure era (Press jump twice to kill anything that's not a boss and as a freebie to connect with springs, so you don't have to aim to get to them.)  Without the homing, attack, though, Sonic's control in the 3D realm is too imprecise to easily destroy enemies.  It is my believe that the sword is compensation, giving Sonic extra attack range.  Quick swordplay can easily fit in with Sonic's style, as well, as long as he doesn't have long, elaborate combos.

We'll see what else comes from this.