Author Topic: Sonic & The Black Knight (Read 44256 times)

Bill Aurion · « **on:** July 19, 2008, 04:50:34 PM »

Well here's the latest Nintendo Power exclusive! (They've sure got a lot of weird exclusives lately...)

Yeah, uh, it's not a joke...

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2008, 04:58:52 PM »

THE END IS NIGH

BeautifulShy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2008, 05:01:52 PM »

Does anybody subscribe to NP here? I do. My subscription ends in September 09. As for Sonic I guess I will reserve judgement till my NP arrives.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2008, 05:07:34 PM »

quick blackmail that address on the cover!

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2008, 05:09:02 PM »

Did they need to do this? I mean, it isn't that complicated that Weapons don't work well in the Sonic series.

I'll keep watching though I guess.

stevey · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2008, 05:20:31 PM »

[inner sega fanboy]

Sonic Unleashed - maybe sega finally going to make awesome Sonic games again

Sonic and the Black Night - "kill me"....

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2008, 05:30:13 PM »

Quote from: stevey on July 19, 2008, 05:20:31 PM

[inner sega fanboy]

Sonic Unleashed - maybe sega finally going to make awesome Sonic games again

Sonic and the Black Night - "kill me"....

I highly recommend that you DO NOT watch the gameplay video for the Sonic RPG on DS the game is SLOW.

Adrock · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2008, 07:00:16 PM »

I've never been a huge Sonic fan so what Sega does with the franchise doesn't matter much to me. I'm vexed though. It's one thing to be weary of a new Sonic title due to Sonic's recent track record of mostly terrible games. However, I'm puzzled as to why people (not necessarily here as I've been to a couple sites) are so judgmental of Sonic holding a sword based on one fuzzy cover of Nintendo Power. How is that anymore baffing than Mario using a golf club? Certainly, there's gameplay potential to be had and as long as it amounts to more than handing Shadow a glock and calling it attitude, Sega is heading in a better direction.

Still, I have to hand it to Sega for offering up yet another exclusive for the Wii. Maybe all those babies who whined that Sonic Unleashed isn't Wii exclusive, despite the fact that SU was still coming to the Wii, will finally shut the hell up. Oh wait, there's no pleasing anyone, most of all greedy fanboys.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2008, 07:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Adrock on July 19, 2008, 07:00:16 PM

I've never been a huge Sonic fan so what Sega does with the franchise doesn't matter much to me. I'm vexed though. It's one thing to be weary of a new Sonic title due to Sonic's recent track record of mostly terrible games. However, I'm puzzled as to why people (not necessarily here as I've been to a couple sites) are so judgmental of Sonic holding a sword based on one fuzzy cover of Nintendo Power. How is that anymore baffing than Mario using a golf club? Certainly, there's gameplay potential to be had and as long as it amounts to more than handing Shadow a glock and calling it attitude, Sega is heading in a better direction.

1. Mario Games regularly don't suck even when they go a different direction.
2. Mario golf isn't an entry into the main Mario series, unlike most Sonic games.
3. Almost everytime Sonic Team decides to add something new a Sonic game, it doesn't go well. Contrary to Nintendo.

Deguello · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2008, 07:13:48 PM »

"However, I'm puzzled as to why people (not necessarily here as I've been to a couple sites) are so judgmental of Sonic holding a sword based on one fuzzy cover of Nintendo Power. How is that anymore baffing than Mario using a golf club?"

Mario has an almost spotless track record for being in high quality software.
Sonic does not.

Mario has a history of being in high quality spinoffs and said "Mario with a golf club" has been a Nintendo tradition since the NES.
Sonic has no history as such.

Also the reason people are skeptical of Sonic is that they are wasting their time with HD version of Sonic Unleashed that the HD audiences just don't want, as evidenced by the Major Floppage of Sonic 360. If this was the ONLY Sonic game in development, people might be more excited.

Adrock · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2008, 08:16:28 PM »

Quote from: DAaaMan64 on July 19, 2008, 07:09:10 PM

1. Mario Games regularly don't suck even when they go a different direction.

Quote from: Adrock on July 19, 2008, 07:00:16 PM

It's one thing to be weary of a new Sonic title due to Sonic's recent track record of mostly terrible games.

Yeah, I get it. Point is, it's one pic of a game people know nothing about. People complain about a lack of exclusives, but here comes another one and it's not good enough.

This applies to your other points as well. You don't know anything about it and it's already bad. Come on! Sega has been great to Nintendo and the Wii, but fans can't accept nice things. This applies to most 3rd party activity on the platform. When they announce a multiplatform game is also headed to the Wii, it's not good enough. When they announce exclusives for the Wii, it's still not good enough. What the f*ck do you (not you specifically) want them to do? No wonder 3rd parties don't want to make games for the Wii. How do you please an audience that isn't happy about anything, gives mixed signals, and constantly complains about whatever they can?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2008, 08:21:20 PM »

I'd like good exclusives, not obvious spin-offs based off series in an eternal downward spiral...It's really not too much to ask...

Adrock · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2008, 08:26:05 PM »

Take what you can get and be happy. It's not the end of the world. And it is a lot to ask when your alternative is nothing. You don't know it's not a "good exclusive" because you don't know anything about it. People need to stop acting like they do, because they don't.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2008, 08:41:17 PM »

I'm not asking for big-budget games, I'm asking for GOOD ones...No More Heroes wasn't big-budget...Kororinpa wasn't big-budget...I'd rather take nothing than garbage, but it's not like we aren't getting good exclusive games in the near-future anyway... =)

And yes it's assumption, but it's assumption based off of previous experiences (there has yet to be a really good 3D Sonic game, I'm sorry...) and obvious attempts to clash the franchise with things that just don't make a Sonic game...

Adrock · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2008, 11:35:39 PM »

Sonic and the Secret Rings wasn't great (though not terrible), but it was a step in the right direction. Why it took 357 Sonic games for Sega to figure out that people prefer playing as Sonic is beyond me.

I'm simply advocating fairness. One picture, no details. What we have here is a game that essentially exists by name only. I'm not commenting on the quality either way since I don't know. However, I'm keeping an open mind and I appreciate that at least one publisher is giving the Wii the respect it deserves. Sega is publishing Mad World despite the fact that it has sleeper hit written all over it.

ReverendNoahWhateley · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2008, 11:45:39 PM »

As I've stated millions of times before, what Sonic needs at least as much as decent gameplay is just to lighten up. I like the Soul Caliber look as much as the next guy, but Mr. the Hedgehog is visibly lost.

Spinnzilla · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2008, 12:44:04 AM »

i don't care how silly a game is, just as long it turns out to be fun to play.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2008, 01:09:08 AM »

If sonic ran through a forest with that sword he would be like an amazing lumberjack!

Mario · « **Reply #18 on:** July 20, 2008, 01:52:36 AM »

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 19, 2008, 05:30:13 PM

Quote from: stevey on July 19, 2008, 05:20:31 PM
[inner sega fanboy]

Sonic Unleashed - maybe sega finally going to make awesome Sonic games again

Sonic and the Black Night - "kill me"....

I highly recommend that you DO NOT watch the gameplay video for the Sonic RPG on DS the game is SLOW.

It's an RPG. Of course it's slow.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #19 on:** July 20, 2008, 02:23:47 AM »

But what if it uses Motion plus 1:1 Sonic sword combat? Eh? Eh?

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #20 on:** July 20, 2008, 04:46:23 AM »

Well at least Sega is rewarding Wii gamers for making Sonic and the Secret Rings a hit. Of course from the sound of things, the people at Sonic Team who made Sonic 2006 are making Unleashed, while the people at Sonic Team who make Secret Rings are making this. So if this game plays like Secret Rings and they fix the mistakes that game had, then this could end up very good.

This only problem is this is Sonic Team we're talking about here. They've had 10 years now to make a great 3d Sonic and they've blown it EVERY SINGLE TIME. Instead of fixing the mistakes in Sonic Adventure 1 by getting rid all the crappy non-Sonic parts like Shooting and Treasure Hunting, they added MORE of it in Sonic Adventure 2. And then when they finally got rid of it in Sonic Heroes, they end up messing up the actual Sonic gameplay which was the only good things in Adventure 1 and 2. And instead of fixing Heroes mistakes they end up making them even worse with Shadow the Hedghog. And just when you think it can't get any worse, we get Sonic 2006.

Secret Rings finally improved things, but the game itself was rather mediocre. A lot of Secret Rings mistakes can be fixable and so a sequel could turn out quite well. But like I just showed, Sega has had a history for quite a while now of failing to improve what could easily be improved in 3D Sonic games, and instead messing up what was actually good.

Like how they seemed to have something going for them in Sonic Unleashed with the daytime Sonic levels, only to have ruined it with the horrible nighttime Werehog sections that look just as bad as the Treasure Hunting and Shooting in Adventure 1 and 2 were.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2008, 08:08:33 AM »

Sonic and the Secret Rings was equally weird and off-putting at first but turned out to be pretty fun.
The story for the multiplatform Sonic title which apparently involves Sonic turning into some wolf-like monster is also pretty strange. At least Sega gets kudos for not only giving us a Wii version of the multi-platform Sonic but an exclusive spin-off on top of it. No more of this either/or thing most third-parties try.

Shift Key · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2008, 08:35:11 AM »

Quote from: MADONNA DYNOMITE on July 19, 2008, 04:58:52 PM

THE END IS NIGH

All I can think about is the Black Knight from Monty Python. NONE SHALL PASS!

nickmitch · « **Reply #23 on:** July 20, 2008, 02:17:19 PM »

Flesh wounds ahoy.

Ceric · « **Reply #24 on:** July 20, 2008, 02:50:03 PM »

I stopped reading halfway down so I'm sorry if I missed something.

I like to say that the newest HD Sonic was a terrible game. THe HD Audience could have really loved to have a Sonic game but that game was a technical nightmare. When you have epic and frequent loading on the PS3 where everything could probably be uncompressed on the disc if you are also putting it on the 360 something is wrong. That game is not a good game to make any comparisons on.

Now if Sega said that Tuesday all retailers where going to have Sonic and the Secret Ring 2, I probably consider taking some time off to pick it up as soon as possible to make the statement that I liked the first and with a few tweaks I think that could be a very lucrative and succesful direction for Sonic. Keeping the universes characters to bit roles and having him being a loaner character that Sonic truly is.

Sonic with a sword. I'll hold judgement but I fear that it will be like when the started getting a larger fighting slant in Prince of Persia.

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Author Topic: Sonic & The Black Knight (Read 44256 times)