Author Topic: Rock Band 2? (Read 124830 times)

nickmitch · « **Reply #50 on:** July 03, 2008, 09:32:33 PM »

Can't play Rock Band with GH controllers that I already own. I'm not bashing Rock Band. I've played it, loved it, etc. But when it comes to my money, it's very limited. And since I've already invested in GH, it's just gonna be in my best interest to keep investing in it.

Shift Key · « **Reply #51 on:** July 04, 2008, 03:58:12 AM »

Time to bring out the "marketing translator" for this hilarious PR statement:

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

As we have said in the past, Harmonix and MTV Games believe in an open standard philosophy of hardware and game compatibility.

Everyone should drink our Kool-aid. Oh yeah!

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

This is clearly in the best interest of consumers, game developers and console manufacturers and will only help to grow the music game genre as well as inspire innovation and creativity.

Its the best thing for all involved to buy our instruments. What? Activision are bringing out their own instruments for their next music game? ****, now what are we doing that's innovative?
Can someone else come to this fight? We're tired of fighting Activison, so come along and make us look good by sucking hard!

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

Two weeks ago, Harmonix created a software patch for the Sony PLAYSTATION 3 version of Rock Band that allowed for guitar compatibility and support for third party peripherals, including enabling use of Activision's Guitar Hero III controller with Rock Band.

We want you to be able to play with your GH guitar. Hopefully that makes it easier for us to convince you to buy the other three instruments you need.

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

The compatibility patch was submitted, approved and had been scheduled for release by Sony on Tuesday, December 4. Unfortunately, Activision objected to the compatibility patch's release. The patch remains with Sony, but we have been told that it will unfortunately not be released due to Activision's continued objection.

Activision don't want their instruments to work with our game. What jerks. You should throw your GH controls in the bin and then buy the set of Rock Band instruments. That would be awesome for all involved, particularly us.

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

As is the case with the Microsoft Xbox360, we believe that Sony PLAYSTATION 3 users should be able to use the peripheral of their choice with Rock Band.

Buy our instruments. It'll be totally interoperable, trust us.

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

We sincerely hope that Activision will reverse its decision and allow release of the compatibility patch and further, that Activision will allow Guitar Hero III to support Rock Band guitar controllers as well.

We wrote them a letter telling them how angry we are at this news. We're still waiting for a reply on that.

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

We welcome all third party developers who wish to support our controllers and will provide any required support in order for them to do so.

We need a third party to make us look good. Call me.

Quote from: Flames_of_chaos on July 03, 2008, 02:25:18 PM

We believe that when consumers have choice, everyone wins. Harmonix and MTV Games hope that Activision and others will also adopt this philosophy.

We don't want Activision to win. **** them. Buy our stuff.

shammack · « **Reply #52 on:** July 04, 2008, 08:33:42 AM »

I don't understand why so many people seem to think that Harmonix can do no wrong. Yes, Guitar Hero II was a good game, but what have they done for us lately? A Wii port of the already crappy PS2 port of Rock Band (where you have to buy new guitars even though you can use Guitar Hero guitars on the PS2 (no patch necessary there!)), and announced Rock Band 2 which doesn't seem to have any reason to exist instead of just offering more DLC for Rock Band 1. Say what you will about Activision's corporate policies or whatever, but at least GHWT has some new features to justify its existence, and will do all the things that Harmonix claims are impossible to do on the Wii (by which they mean they're lazy and would rather just shove the PS2 port out the door and cash in as quickly as possible). I'm tired of Harmonix being treated like saints when they're repeatedly screwing us over.

vudu · « **Reply #53 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:10:42 AM »

Weren't you paying attention? Harmonix is made up of musicians who love music. Neversoft is made up of corporate shills who hate music but are willing to spend every waking minute of their life working diligently on a music game in order to make a quick buck.

Blah blah blah, note charts, blah blah blah.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #54 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:36:24 AM »

You see this is what is frustrating about this debate...that shouldn't even be a debate.

Harmonix created the music game with toy instrument genre, so they deserve a lot of respect.

But you know what, Guitar Hero 2 and Guitar Hero 3 to me are both great and fine games. Neversoft got handed the task of replacing Harmonix...here is something, Neversoft probably requested the game, or at least hand picked the team of designers that loved music games and music to head its Guitar Hero 3 team.

Yes, Harmonix decided to expand the series with adding new instruments with Rock Band, and it was a huge success, which is why Guitar Hero 4 is following suit. But that doesn't mean GH4 isn't going to be good...or that the designers can't love music and desire to create the best music game possible.

To illustrate this, GH4 is actually doing several things to make their game better than Rock Band. Character Creator, Music Creator, tons of songs already on the disc, broadening the music types for GH4 instead of just metal, Better Drum set that is more like a real drum set.

It seems to me Neversoft is using what Harmonix learned and pushing forward to better the product, and Rock Band 2 is just a me too product as a reaction to GH4. Sturdier Instruments? They could have just released those and be done with it. Does this mean I think Harmonix is coping out, no.

What I think is going on is Activision sees Guitar Hero as a huge seller and wanted to pump out more games via Aerosmith to make more money...but they hadn't built the infrastructure for sharing downloaded content and such. However, I believe that with Guitar Hero 4 that will be built and in place.

shammack · « **Reply #55 on:** July 04, 2008, 10:41:01 AM »

Quote from: Spak-Spang on July 04, 2008, 10:36:24 AM

Harmonix ripped off the idea for the music game with toy instrument genre from the Japanese

Fixed

I agree on most other points though.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #56 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:00:41 PM »

Here are a bunch of Rumored Songs for Rock Band 2.

1) tangled up in blue (bob dylan)
2) bad to the bone (george thorogood)
3) we've got the beat (go-gos)
4) bad reputation (joan jett)
5) pinball wizard (the who)
6) dammit (blink 182)
7) thats what you get (paramore)
8) the trees (rush)
9) ace of spades (motorhead)
10) chop suey (system of a down)
11) testify (rage against the machine)
12) spirit in the sky (norman greenbaum)
13) ramblin' man (allman brothers)
14) rebel girl (bikini kill)
15) eye of the tiger (survivor)
16) panic attack (dreamtheater)
17) everlong (foo fighters)
18) one step closer (linkin park)
19) lump (presidents of the USA)
20) come out and play (offspring)
21) drain you (nirvana)
22) carry on my wayward son (kansas)
23) peace sells (megadeath)
24) souls of black (testament)
25) livin on a prayer (bon jovi)
26) round and round (ratt)
27) new kid in school (the donnas)
28) alright now (free)
29) today (smashing pumpkins)
30) man in the box (alice in chains)
31) any way you want it (journey)
32) holiday in cambodia (dead kennedys)
33) give it away (red hot chili peppers)
34) white wedding (billy idol)
35) hello there (cheap trick)
36) cool for cats (squeeze)
37) psycho killer (talking heads)
38) ? (devo)
39) one way or another (blondie)
40) de-luxe (lush)
41) push it (static-x)
42) pump it up (elvis costello)
43) master exploder (tenacious d)
44) bandages (hot hot heat)
45) PDA (interpol)
46) my own worst enemy (lit)
47) float on (modest mouse)
48) aqualung (jethro tull)
49) spoonman (soundgarden)
50) bodhisatva (steely dan)
51) suffer (bad religion)
52) i was wrong (social distortion)
53) american woman (the guess who)
56) you oughta know (alanis morrissette)
57) mountain song (jane's addiction)
58) stop! (against me)
59) hungry like the wolf (duran duran)
60) alabama getaway (grateful dead)

vudu · « **Reply #57 on:** July 04, 2008, 12:43:13 PM »

Wow. That's actually a pretty good set list.

Activision and EA really need to get their **** together and let me play both games with the same instruments.

Morari · « **Reply #58 on:** July 04, 2008, 02:49:52 PM »

Still too much new(er) music in that rumored list...

decoyman · « **Reply #59 on:** July 04, 2008, 03:52:37 PM »

Quote from: vudu on July 04, 2008, 10:10:42 AM

Weren't you paying attention? Harmonix is made up of musicians who love music. Neversoft is made up of corporate shills who hate music but are willing to spend every waking minute of their life working diligently on a music game in order to make a quick buck.

See, when it comes to Wii, though, to me it seems the other way around. Harmonix took the easiest, laziest way to cash in on the Wii market with Rockband. It's a PS2 port, features none of the extras which make the PS3/360 versions so compelling (DLC, online play, tour mode, create a character), costs just as much as the other, fuller-featured versions and was released last of all, months late...

Neversoft is really pushing the boundaries on the music genre, and GH:WT will have everything RB2 will have and more (music creator ftw!). THIS is a prime example of why competition is good, you guys.

vudu · « **Reply #60 on:** July 04, 2008, 03:57:47 PM »

Your sarcasm detector needs a tune up.

bosshogx · « **Reply #61 on:** July 04, 2008, 11:43:23 PM »

Quote from: decoyman on July 04, 2008, 03:52:37 PM

Neversoft is really pushing the boundaries on the music genre, and GH:WT will have everything RB2 will have and more (music creator ftw!). THIS is a prime example of why competition is good, you guys.

I agree that competition is good, but I'm increasingly worried about exclusivity inside of exclusivity. It's bad enough that we segment the gaming world into 3 groups (ps3, 360, and wii), but then to cut them up further (RB/GH) just makes it all the worse.

I felt sick to my stomach when I read that RB:Aerosmith was being released and that all Aerosmith songs were going exclusive to GH. I only own RB, so how am I going to play my Aerosmith songs? Am I going to have to worry about Activision and Harmonix dropping sick amounts of money on to bands for exclusivity rights from now on?

How come Activision isn't letting you carry over DLC from prior GH games into GH:WT? Is it because they don't want to add parts for the other instruments? If so, that's just plain weak. They should include the option to play the song with guitars only or download the "full band" version for like a dollar more or something. Sure people would complain, but at least the option would be there.

Finally, I'm not a big fan of the music creator because it lacks vocals. I'm usual the vocals guy and might as well just fire up the DS while my buddies enjoy jamming out to our latest creation. Without vocals there isn't a lot of point in creating a song at all, well, except for old school 8 bit Nintendo music.

I suppose we will have vocal support in next years edition.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #62 on:** July 05, 2008, 02:49:10 PM »

I also wonder how the music creator is going to turn out. I think that it will be a feature that people use for like a few days and just never look back at it. And if people want to create music a lot of people imported band brothers or will import band brothers DX. Or on the PC you can use stuff like frets on fire or fruity loops. And on the Mac you have garage band.

decoyman · « **Reply #63 on:** July 07, 2008, 01:34:11 AM »

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Installation successful! Very good then, carry on.

Flames, I'm not going to discount the music creator until I know more about it... hopefully more details will come out at E3...

EasyCure · « **Reply #64 on:** July 07, 2008, 04:00:51 PM »

Quote from: bosshogx on July 04, 2008, 11:43:23 PM

Finally, I'm not a big fan of the music creator because it lacks vocals. I'm usual the vocals guy and might as well just fire up the DS while my buddies enjoy jamming out to our latest creation. Without vocals there isn't a lot of point in creating a song at all, well, except for old school 8 bit Nintendo music. I suppose we will have vocal support in next years edition.

Well some people like creating music and not songs. I've recorded my own guitar stuff for years in tons of different formats (from hitting Record on a tape deck to a few simple programs on a PC) and i never once had the desire to record vocals. When i was in a band and had someone to do the singing it was different, but i was just satisfied playing my instruments. Let the guitar do the singing.

as for that set list, it seams decent to me if real. I'm just mad they picked such a lousy song by Social Distortion. Don't get me wrong, i love the song but there are so many better ones to rock out to with friends. "I Was Wrong" is a little too simple to play. They should throw "1945" into the mix, or something similar.

vudu · « **Reply #65 on:** July 07, 2008, 04:54:47 PM »

Some had better damn well recreate every single instrumental track from The Fragile within the first week of this game's release or there will be Hell to pay.

(In all honesty, it's entirely possible Trent Reznor will be the one to do it.)

Morari · « **Reply #66 on:** July 07, 2008, 04:58:35 PM »

Quote from: EasyCure on July 07, 2008, 04:00:51 PM

Well some people like creating music and not songs. I've recorded my own guitar stuff for years in tons of different formats (from hitting Record on a tape deck to a few simple programs on a PC) and i never once had the desire to record vocals. When i was in a band and had someone to do the singing it was different, but i was just satisfied playing my instruments. Let the guitar do the singing.

It's just my opinion, but I'd much rather concentrate on writing (but not necessarily singing) lyrics. That said, I already do that with real music outside of some game's "creator". It's just a bummer that they're limiting what could be a killer feature for many, with no real good reason.

Quote from: vudu on July 07, 2008, 04:54:47 PM

Some had better damn well recreate every single instrumental track from The Fragile within the first week of this game's release or there will be Hell to pay.

(In all honesty, it's entirely Trent Reznor will be the one to do it.)[/url]

Well, we'll be sure to see legal recreations of everything from Ghosts, at least.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #67 on:** July 09, 2008, 11:13:54 AM »

Here we go:

Quote from: Kotaku.com

Start A Band, Rock The World!

Developed by Harmonix, the world’s premier music videogame company, and published by MTV Games, Rock Band™ 2 is the next evolution of the groundbreaking music platform that forever changed the face of music videogames. Rock Band 2 builds upon the original, challenging players to put together a band and tour for fame and fortune while learning to master lead/bass guitar, drums and vocals, and raises the bar to include an entirely new level of depth, connectivity, authenticity and exhilarating features.

Rock Band 2 will feature more than 80 tracks on disc – but it doesn’t stop there. Players will have access to all DLC tracks, packs and albums released to date as well as future DLC releases; that’s more than 200 song choices and counting. The music inRock Band 2 features all master recordings and spans all genres of rock from punk, metal and alternative to classic and southern rock.

Rock Band 2 will be released on Xbox 360™ videogame and entertainment system from Microsoft this September and will have an exclusive launch window in North America. Rock Band 2 will be available for the PLAYSTATION® 3 and PlayStation® 2 computer entertainment systems and Nintendo Wii™ system later this year.

Key Features
Rock the World!
Rock Band 2 offers new and dynamic online modes that will connect the entire Rock Band community in more ways than ever before, both locally and globally.

Rock in Style!
Rock Band 2 introduces a new variety of instrument choices all with new and improved drum and guitar peripherals, enhanced functionality and innovative new designs. All Rock Band 2 instruments are fully compatible with the original Rock Band. Conversely, all Rock Band peripherals will be fully compatible with Rock Band 2.

Unrivaled Song Library!
Rock Band 2 features the biggest and most diverse soundtrack ever featuring some of rock’s most prolific acts, comprised entirely of master recordings.

Complete the Look!
Rock Band 2 delivers new clothing, accessories, tattoos, hairstyles, instruments and more to keep your unique rock avatar playing the full rock part.

Battle it Out!
Go head to head competing against other bands with Battle of the Bands contests that will be generated by Harmonix on a regular basis.

Stay on Top!
Stay the undisputed leader board champion with real time alerts updating you when another rocker or band has surpassed your score!

Take on Tour Challenges!
Play through mini-campaigns focused on a specific instrument, your favorite artist, your preferred genre, or a particular album.

Customizable Set Lists!
Create your own set lists in Quickplay mode to keep the music rolling and your band rocking!

Rock ‘n’ Roll Never Dies!
Rock Band 2 offers backwards compatibility with Rock Band downloadable content- all previously purchased tracks will immediately load into your Rock Band 2 play list!

Game Modes
Quickplay
Now easier than ever to get in and jam without hassle.
- New prefab characters
- Your customized characters can now play on any instrument
- Make your own set lists
- Organize song lists by a variety of categories (alphabetical, genre, era, etc.)

World Tour
Solo Tour and Band World Tour join forces to create the ultimate band touring experience!
- World Tour is now online
- No more band leaders! If you need to fire your guitarist but keep the band going, fire away!
- Switch up instruments throughout world tour
- All new collection of opportunity gigs, challenges, cities, venues, and hirable staff

Tour Challenges
Take your band on tour in a whole new way with specific music challenges.
- Focused mini-campaigns featuring the best songs by instrument, decade, genre or artist
- Automatically generated DLC challenges
- Album specific challenges

Battle of the Bands
Put your band to the ultimate test by competing against other bands, both on your friends list and around the world!
- Dynamic content with regular new contests designed by Harmonix
- Matches up your score against overall competition and friends’ bands - with REAL TIME feedback
- Get updates on new battles from your Band Profile, as well as notifications when your score has been topped!

Drum Trainer
A true teaching tool that gives players a step-by-step lesson through the basic beat and fill vocabulary any real world drummer would know.

Music
Major record labels and leading music publishers have signed on to provide unrivaled access to master recordings and legendary rock artists with hits from the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s. The Rock Band 2 disc will feature more than 80 rock hits—all master recordings! Plus, Rock Band 2 owners will have access to the growing Rock Band DLC catalog of more than 200 tracks. Below are just some of the amazing tracks and artists you will get on disc with Rock Band 2.

2000s
Dream Theater “Panic Attack “
System of a Down “Chop Suey”
1990s
Foo Fighters “Everlong”
The Muffs “Kids in America”
Red Hot Chili Peppers “Give it Away”
1980s
Motörhead “Ace of Spades”
1970s
Cheap Trick “Hello There”
Elvis Costello “Pump it Up”
Journey “Anyway You Want It”
1960s
The Who “Pinball Wizard”

Key Players
• Developed by Harmonix – the world’s premier music videogame company– and published by MTV Games.
• Distributed and Co-Marketed by Electronic Arts, the world’s leading interactive entertainment software company.
• Master Recordings provided by EMI Music, Hollywood Records, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, Universal Music Group’s Universal Music Enterprises and Warner Music Group’s Rhino Entertainment.
• Rocked out even harder by YOU and millions of drummers, guitarists and vocalists around the world. Groupies not included!

Product Specifications
Publisher: MTV Games Developer: Harmonix Distributor: Electronic Arts
Category: Music/Rhythm Game
Ship Date: September 2008 (Xbox 360) 2008 (PS3, PS2 and Wii)

The new and improved drums and guitar peripherals will be compatible with the original Rock Band and original instruments will work with Rock Band 2. The new guitar will have a sturdier strum bar, quieter buttons and be wireless. The new drum kit will include a metal reinforced pedal, quieter pads, velocity sensors and... be wireless.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #68 on:** July 09, 2008, 12:52:33 PM »

Quote

Dream Theater "Panic Attack"
System of a Down "Chop Suey!"
The Who "Pinball Wizard"

WIN

Morari · « **Reply #69 on:** July 09, 2008, 08:41:41 PM »

In the Name of God is a much better Dream Theater song...

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #70 on:** July 11, 2008, 01:03:04 PM »

I'm surprised they didn't go with "Pull Me Under." I think that's their only radio hit, but I'm just glad to see Dream Theater at all.

There's got to be a better Journey song than "Any Way You Want It." I admit it's got a nice solo that will be good for the game, but I'm just so tired of hearing that song. Even "Don't Stop Believin'" is less tired.

EasyCure · « **Reply #71 on:** July 11, 2008, 01:27:54 PM »

would you rather them put in something like "Faithfully" instead?

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #72 on:** July 11, 2008, 04:18:37 PM »

Basically, I'm opposed to including songs that have been used extensively in commercials. I keep coming back to "Wheel in the Sky" when I try to think of something else (and "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" for some reason).

Maverick · « **Reply #73 on:** July 11, 2008, 04:50:17 PM »

Seperate Ways you guys. Seperate fucking Ways.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #74 on:** July 11, 2008, 05:03:05 PM »

Thank you! I knew I was forgetting something big. That would be perfect.

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