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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2008, 01:02:35 PM »
I disassembled the Shotgun last night in hopes of "improving" the trigger.

I added a stick-on rubber foot/peg thing on the trigger tab and removed the spring from the trigger assembly -- overkill, no luck.  The trigger hardly moves and will not return to its default position.  I'll try shortening the spring and reinstall it tonight.
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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2008, 05:51:22 PM »
A couple nights ago I removed the rubber nub I tried to add, and shortened the effective uncompressed length of the spring.  The trigger feels softer (reduced return force) and more comfy to deal with; I don't get the sense my finger will cramp after 10 pulls, happily delaying the inevitable.  The unfornate downside remains that the trigger can be perceived as "mushy", the result of a mechanism utilizing a long shaft/wire to linearly slide a plastic bump against the click-oriented B-trigger (less dextrous than the plastic tabs that expand upon the B-trigger on the Zapper and Wii Wheel).  I hear Nyko's Perfect Shot feels all right, most likely due to its compactness.

You would think House of the Dead 3 would be the perfect match for this shell, but it's not (Ghost Squad is...).  When immersion vs. playability are taken into account, HotD3 is a horrible combination with any light gun setup (nevermind that not all gun shells are suitable for calibrated aiming, due to the bad precedent set by the Zapper)
1) The characters sport shotguns.  Do you have a pistol shell?  a Zapper or SMG shell?  Great, right?  WRONG, AUTOMATIC FAIL, THESE DO NOT MIMIC SHOTGUNS.  So much for authenticity and consistency.
2) So you decide to use a Zapper/SMG including the Nunchuck, and you want to fire with the Z-button cuz a two-handed gun with a trigger assembly placed where the foregrip should be makes no sense at all.  Good luck, cuz in order to fire with the Z-button in HotD you have to also hold down the B-trigger.  ABSOLUTELY RETARDED.
3) You might have CTA Digital's shotgun style shell.  Everything looks ok: it's a shotgun shaped thing, and the nunchuck is optional.  Smooth sailing?  HA-HA-HA, NO.  HotD3 has a weird design shortcomming in that it continues HotD2's (pistols) trigger happy tradition and pairs it with THE WRONG WEAPONS (shotguns).  Doesn't matter if you have the Wii Shotgun or even a legit single-shot arcade light-gun rifle (hypothetically), the amount of firepower you have to desperately unleash becomes painful, tiring, and annoying.  Clicking the Remote's B-button is no big deal, but having to pull a trigger a half-inch or 3/4 of an inch rapidly gets old quick.  The joy of having an accurately-aiming arcade experience at home goes out the window when the game makes you concerned with hammering the trigger and reloading ASAP.

Spending time with HotD further cements Ghost Squad's supreme badass-ness.  The default game mainly employs a submachine gun (with variable firing rates); but with the player profile feature, additional weapons and uniforms can be unlocked as you build up experience.  The unlockables easily accomodate the different gun shells on the market, and the available button configurations don't suck.  On top of that, the gameplay is derived from the Virtua Cop tradition, favoring accuracy on pop-up targets from a variety of locations, as opposed to showering lead on a few monsters to keep them from walking closer to you.

Submachine Guns:  Check.
- firing rates: single shot, 3-round burst, full auto (in-game power up)
- aim: awesome with SMG shell
- gameplay: standard, tight

Pistols/Revolvers:  Check.
- firing rates: single shot
- aim: awesome with pistol shell
- gameplay: Virtua Cop REBORN

Shotguns:  Check.
- firing rates: single shot buckshot
- aim: awesome with the shotgun shell
- gameplay: well-paced BOOMSTICK target practice.  Buckshots do spread, adding an additional predicament to aiming:  NO HOSTAGE is safe from the player, leading to all kinds of amusement.


Apparently some Sega suit mentioned today they have more MURDER SIMULATORS in store for Wii.  Let's hope they're original offerings that take Ghost Squad's functionality to new levels, along with more game length.

"SJ: We are fans of the Wii Zapper. Our “Ghost Squad” game keeps selling. We have more Zapper games going. The same for the Wii Balance Board, although we have nothing announced yet."

Funny how Ghost Skwod is mentioned and not House of the Fail.
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« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2008, 07:03:16 PM »
I've been trying to get a hold of a used Zapper, but haven't had any luck. I can only find it (still) bundled with Link's Crossbow Training and hovering at about $15-$18. For that price, I might as well buy the combo new and use the extra disc as a frisbee.

I've been eying those Nyko Perfect Shot shells, but have been very hesitant of third party accessories ever since those Dreamcast memory cards developed a habit of randomly reformatting...
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« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2008, 07:24:59 PM »
Well here's something to comfort you:  It's $10-15 worth of PLASTIC.  That does almost nothing.  It does not interface with Wii.  It does not consume nor utilize electricity in any way.  They're like dustpans and cupholders with entertainment applications.

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« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2008, 07:42:59 PM »
Oh I know, I already have one Zapper after all. I just want a second one (thus looking for it without the game) for multiplayer purposes. I find that it does make the light game games noticeably more satisfying.

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Looks serious about its SMG grip style, with decent spacing.  Doesn't hide cords.  Not suitable for waggle.

I've seen a few of those on eBay for cheap. The design looked nice enough (except that it doesn't hide the cord). Why isn't it suitable for waggle?
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« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2008, 08:40:57 PM »
Due to its length, it's unwieldy for the kind of high-frequency waggle that's necessary in a game like RE Umbrella Chronicles.

Think of simple rapid wrist waggle (Wii Remote only) versus trying to shake both your forearms in alternating directions (two handed Zapper clone).
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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2008, 03:56:17 PM »
I was thinking, the Zapper appears to be an extremely cheap, low-end solution to providing the feel of a firearm for all these target practice games.

I wonder how the 3rd party plastic shell scene would change if the Zapper was really a molded Classic Controller (a la Guitar Hero) and had a proper electronic trigger.  The fact that the Nunchuck isn't standard in the shooting games has lead to the wide variety of crap configurations that either combine or exclude the Nunchuk, with the lazy options not including a means to hide the Nunchuck cord.  If the Zapper was a Classic Controller, the Nunchuk could be completely ignored in the design, but would the configurations be less wacky?  The triggers would potentially be more reliable this way.  Then again, this would sharply increase the production cost, reduce the willing 3rd party manufacturers to the likes of Nyko, spawn awful cartoony designs by those same regular 3rd parties, and increase the retail price.

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« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2008, 10:01:57 PM »
I wonder who forgot about this?


Destructoid previewed the game it comes with an it sucks, plus EA has the balls to charge 59.99 for Nerf Nstrike and the Nerf gun shell.

Fortunately EA is going to sell the Nerf gun by itself for 14.99 as well.
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« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2008, 10:10:47 PM »
It's not a Zapper clone.  Learn to comprehend.
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« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2008, 10:58:25 PM »
It's not a Zapper clone.  Learn to comprehend.

But it's a Wii gun shell. Learn to comprehend.
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« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2008, 11:44:29 AM »
Read the first post and get back on topic.
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« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2008, 03:13:12 PM »
YAARR, what be the best SMG style ?
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« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2008, 03:19:12 PM »
Luigi--his jumps are higher and he looks cooler.
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« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2008, 03:25:29 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2008, 03:33:20 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2008, 03:34:56 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2008, 04:33:05 PM »
buh

Are you asking for the Best or My Favorite?

None so far can be considered "best" since they all manage to have some obvious tradeoff/shortcomming.

My favorite is the one I bought: Gunhazard Cyber WiiGun.  Has the best "iron sights", good size/spacing, and hides the Nunchuck cord.  But it doesn't have a custom B-trigger at all, so it doesn't truly replace the Zapper.  Other shells can replace the Zapper fine, but they might not offer anything more or they might lack features or the features suck.

Ghost Squad provides the most robust and functional arcade gun experience so far.  Gunhazard Cyber WiiGun provides the best Ghost Squad experience.
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« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2008, 04:36:52 PM »
Can you use the "Z" button as the trigger in Ghost Squad?
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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2008, 05:12:58 PM »
Definitely.
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« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2008, 05:12:31 PM »
CTA Digital has some incredibly weird Wii peripherals, but this is the first pistol-style peripheral I've seen that puts the Z button where the trigger would be.  It appears to have iron sights, and there's no visible cord in the picture.  You even get two shells in the package.  If I was confident that all Zapper games would use the Z button as the trigger, I'd be tempted to be (near as I can tell) the first person on the entire web to buy and review them.

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« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2008, 06:21:50 PM »
There's about 4 other pistol shells that use the Z-button as the main trigger, and they appeared well before CTA Digital's catalog.  One can visit ebay and search "wii gun" to find all that the internet has to offer.  On a related note, I bought the 2-in-1 Combined Light Gun from an ebay seller a few hours ago, about $11 even; I want to see how its trigger handles.

It's irritating that Z-triggering isn't a standard option across all these light-gun games.  Having a pistol setup that excludes the Nunchuck (ie Nyko Perfect Shot) is convenient as far as hardware requirements go, but the Z-button is much better for comfort and playability in the long run.
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« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2008, 06:52:25 PM »
This one popped up in an email from Amazon based on my purchase history.  I only followed the link because of how amusingly bad most of these things are, and I was surprised that they didn't look too bad.

I agree about Z-triggering.  Nintendo's schizophrenic Zapper design confused third parties, and now even though I want a decent gun shell for light gun games, I can't be sure that any of them will work with every game.

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« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2008, 07:01:14 PM »
I found 2 more "rare" "British" SMG shells while sifting thru 50 pages of gun shells on Google Image Search.  They're both average/meh, but strangely they don't have a significant internet presence like some other shells.  Maybe GoHobo never reported on these.

I'll add them to the list later.
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« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2008, 01:25:49 PM »
First post updated with new shells and updated impressions for my own purchases.

Ghost Squad is now a $72 robust arcade gun experience for me.
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« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2008, 02:02:30 PM »
Updated the first post with these live demo videos:

Ghost Squad 1:1 calibrated play with SMG shell and Shotgun shell

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