Topic: RE: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes Screw Attack Video

[NewsBot]

Here it is, the hidden footage Metroid fans have been waiting for.

You may have seen the E3 footage of Samus wall-jumping back and forth through a vertical corridor.  What you probably haven't seen is the other Screw Attack footage, the one proving that this famous move can indeed be used anywhere in the game, and that it even includes (or can be combined with) a new Space Jump, which lets Samus literally fly.

This brief demo clip wasn't hard to find at E3...in fact, it was playing right on the show floor.  But for whatever reason, very few people noticed the clip, which played automatically if the title screen was left untouched for a few seconds.  Well...maybe the heavy crowds around Metroid Prime 2 had something to do with that.

At any rate, PGC did notice the clip, and we did manage to record it in a small but very revealing digital video.  Combined with the information we have gathered in our gigantic preview, this video should give you a pretty clear idea of how the Screw Attack will work, and how it will drastically affect the game's level design.

Left-click the link below to begin your free download!

Screw Attack Demo (2.3 MB, DivX AVI format)

[Jonnyboy117]

After some feedback from the staff, I cut the video down a bit by making the intro play only before the footage, instead of before and after.  It saves 200 KB and a few seconds, and the file just feels cleaner this way.

By the way, I'm very anxious to hear what you all think about the footage.

[Felis Demens CCXXI]

Ehh, screw it...

[Ocarina Blue]

Well, that looks pretty good, I guess. Camera changes from 1st to 3rd person are IMHO the holy grail of 3d aventure games. The transition seems quick and clean, and it doesn't look like you'll at one point or another become vunerable to enemies/frustrated from/by a bad camera angle.

[Jonnyboy117]

Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with how they handled the transition.  Hopefully they will work on making it even better, though.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Sonic, eat your heart out.

[TheYoungerPlumber]

Ha ha.  Jonny said, "Look."  And I was there.  That makes it funny.

[kevin12567]

Where do I download the DivX codec so I can SEE the video?

[Shift Key]

Here's the codec

Looks good. Hopefully it handles as well as it looks.

[Gibdo Master]

It looks like they pretty much handled the camera they same way they did with the Morph Ball.

By the way, this is some really anal Metroid fanboy stuff, but why the hell can't they get the terminology right with this stuff? It should be called the Space Jump, unless it causes damages to enemies, which one of the directors of the game said they weren't sure if they were going to have it do that or not. Also the thing in Prime that was called the Space Jump should have been called the High Jump Boots. Argh!

The Space Jump allows you to perform a perpetual jump as shown in the vid, the Screw Attack lets you cut through enemies when you perform a somersault, and the High Jump Boots simply increase the height of your jump.

What really irritates me about the above, is that it's the same mistakes casual fans or noobs make.  

[Jonnyboy117]

Gibdo, read the preview for some more information on how these different abilities are being handled.  In short, this is the Screw Attack + Space Jump, and yes it does hurt enemies.

[Gibdo Master]

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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
and yes it does hurt enemies.

On that, I was going by what Kensuke Tanabe said in that E3 interview. He said that they weren't totally sure if it would be used as a weapon or not, and at that point they were mainly aiming for it to be used as an exploratory device.

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Q: Can it also be used as a weapon?

Kensuke Tanabe: It's not one-hundred percent finalized yet, but our feeling now is that it's not really designed to be a weapon, but more of an exploratory device.

If it can't damage enemies, then it's completely incorrect to label it as the Scew Attack. I suppose what he said doesn't necessarily mean it won't cause damage to enemies though, just that that's not its main purpose. If you guys know more about this, then I'll trust you.

They still fudged up the Space Jump bit in Prime though.  

EDIT:  Even if it does cause damage, if it's labeled as simply being the Screw Attack instead of Space Jump/Scew Attack, then I'll still consider it wrong. Yeah, I'm going to be that anal about this.

[Syl]

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Originally posted by: Gibdo Master

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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
and yes it does hurt enemies.

On that, I was going by what Kensuke Tanabe said in that E3 interview. He said that they weren't totally sure if it would be used as a weapon or not, and at that point they were mainly aiming for it to be used as an exploratory device.

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Q: Can it also be used as a weapon?

Kensuke Tanabe: It's not one-hundred percent finalized yet, but our feeling now is that it's not really designed to be a weapon, but more of an exploratory device.

If it can't damage enemies, then it's completely incorrect to label it as the Scew Attack. I suppose what he said doesn't necessarily mean it won't cause damage to enemies though, just that that's not its main purpose. If you guys know more about this, then I'll trust you.

They still fudged up the Space Jump bit in Prime though.  

EDIT:  Even if it does cause damage, if it's labeled as simply being the Screw Attack instead of Space Jump/Scew Attack, then I'll still consider it wrong. Yeah, I'm going to be that anal about this.

Well, think about it.  You probably get the "space jump boots" far before you get screw attack, like in most metroid games (with the exception of Zero mission) so that by the time you get screw attack, its already combined the 2 seperate things.

Likewise, in prime, they did call them "space jump boots" instead of purely "space jump" so i guess the double jump aspect is fine.  

Overall, the footage is awesome, i had nearly a gig worth of prime 2 footage from E3, wondering how the hell i never got ahold of this one.

Anyway gibdo, I have faith in retro =p

[couchmonkey]

...and Number 1 on the top 10 list of of things I never thought I'd hear a Nintendo fan say two years ago:

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I have faith in retro =p

Just goes to show, don't judge a dev by it's software delays, layoffs, and cancelled games.  Unless it's Acclaim, you can judge Acclaim all you want.

[Jonnyboy117]

The double jump in Echoes is just called "Double Jump", not "Space Jump".  So they are fixing that error.  Anyway, despite what Tanabe-san said, information I received later in the show confirmed that the Screw Attack is indeed an attack and that it can be used against some enemies.

[Renny]

Anyone else having trouble downloading videos? It redirects to the main page. I have referrer logging on.

[Syl]

Actually, i just got an email back from the (Former) senior head artist of Prime 2's enemy design.

He left retro, said something about the new management at retro being bad.  He then said that he went to work at a company that "makes games for xbox and ps2" which had me kind of curious.

Either way, its a shame, he had some truly amazing artwork.

He ended saying that this shouldn't change anything about how the game is going to turn out, the nintendo people over in Japan know what theyre doing and how to keep it on track, and they'd never let such a major title be anything shabby.  

[Gibdo Master]

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Originally posted by: Jonnyboy117
The double jump in Echoes is just called "Double Jump", not "Space Jump".  So they are fixing that error.  Anyway, despite what Tanabe-san said, information I received later in the show confirmed that the Screw Attack is indeed an attack and that it can be used against some enemies.

Okay, cool.

[Jonnyboy117]

Renny, you're the only person I've heard to have any problems (out of dozens of responses and hundreds of downloads).  If you're using an unusual browser or download manager, I would try something standard to see if that helps.  The download does work for me in Firefox though.

[Renny]

It's working now. Yesterday neither Opera or Firefox would work. I haven't changed any settings. And moreso on-topic: I like it.

[KDR_11k]

I hope Tecmo doesn't notice that a "screw attack" wouldn't be misplaced in DoA...

[Syl]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I hope Tecmo doesn't notice that a "screw attack" wouldn't be misplaced in DoA...

You are aware that Tecmo's Ninja Gaiden titles *DID* have a screw attack, right?

I'm not so sure about the xbox one, but i know at least one of the NES ones had it.

[Bill Aurion]

Well one, KDR said DOA, not Ninja Gaiden...Second, it was a naughty joke... ^_^

[Syl]

I'm very aware of that ^_^;  Did you really doubt it?

Its just that a ninja gaiden character Is in DOA, so he might actually have some sort of attack that is similar to the Screw Attack of his past.  Which means that screw attack could be in DOA, just nothing similar to the naughy sense he was trying to imply.

Either way, It was horribly obvious that it was a dirty joke, I was just going off of a tangent about how it may actually be possible.  Theres already DOAX that has more than enough fan service for my likings.

[davidlow122]

Actually, the 'Double Jump' Ability in Prime was not the same as any previous Metroid power-up.

The High Jump Boots change the height of Samus' Jumps, not the Number.

The 'Space Jump' is a move for when Samus does a spin jump, and can continually jump while still spinning. Since we never saw the camera spin everywhere, we can assume that Samus did no spin jumps in Prime.

The 'Double Jump' in Prime was a logical limited combination of the two: it allowed a second jump in the air (a limited SJ), which gave extra height (effect of HJB). It had the simple function of the High Jump boots, but with the gameplay style of the Space Jump (ie change directions mid-air)

And here's the Kicker: It was called the 'Space Jump Boots'!!

So stop your whining, it was a different power up.