Author Topic: New GTA IV Trailer (Read 10340 times)

MaryJane · « **on:** December 06, 2007, 09:29:52 AM »

Excuse me if there was an old GTA IV thread somewhere, but I just have a specific question, you can watch the trailer here.

Is it just me or do the people have an "outlined" effect to them through the majority of the trailer?? It looks weird to me like their cut outs or something, or their blocking whats behind them idk maybe it's just me.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2007, 05:05:28 AM »

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Excuse me if there was an old GTA IV thread somewhere, but I just have a specific question, you can watch the trailer here.

Is it just me or do the people have an "outlined" effect to them through the majority of the trailer?? It looks weird to me like their cut outs or something, or their blocking whats behind them idk maybe it's just me.

I think the game looks blah at best, heck the visuals don't even look that good not to mention the framerate looks terrible. Though I've heard that some think it looks like a CGI movie. I don't see the game looking much better than Saint's Row or the myriad of other sandbox style games on 360.

Kairon · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2007, 05:41:39 AM »

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Though I've heard that some think it looks like a CGI movie.

Hmmm?

Stogi · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2007, 05:48:13 AM »

This.....game.....looks.......incredible.

You guys can hate all you want on the graphix, but I remember playing the original GTA with the top-down view in 7th grade not giving a ratsass how ugly it was. It seriously looks like a dope movie that you play.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2007, 05:51:22 AM »

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This.....game.....looks.......incredible.

You guys can hate all you want on the graphix, but I remember playing the original GTA with the top-down view in 7th grade not giving a ratsass how ugly it was. It seriously looks like a dope movie that you play.

A dope movie with a poor framerate, that tries to be cool and is basically the exact same thing we've been getting since GTA3. Kill hookers, become a crime lord and watch the framerate drop to -100, proving that Rockstar is one of the most uninspired popular developers around who can do anything good without pushing supposed adult themes.

Kairon · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2007, 06:22:56 AM »

I don't think that Rockstar and the GTA series deserves this vitriol. They have a consistent vision that they're pushing, and their execution is always exciting. It could be said that GTA 3 was as seminal a videogame event as Mario 64 in terms of copycats and thematic impact on other games.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2007, 06:24:01 AM »

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I don't think that Rockstar and the GTA series deserves this vitriol. They have a consistent vision that they're pushing, and their execution is always exciting. It could be said that GTA 3 was as seminal a videogame event as Mario 64 in terms of copycats and thematic impact on other games.

Their vision, be as vile as possible with getting censored with a theme that has been beaten to death. A good company continues to innovate, Rockstar hasn't done anything close to that since GTA3. They are a one trick pony whether you want to admit it or not, and that trick will fail to impress. To compare GTA3 to Mario 64 is ridiculous, all GTA3 brought to the table was a sandbox style game that impacted nothing but sandbox style games, while Mario 64 set the standard for all 3D games in both control, camera, and non-linear gameplay (So in a way GTA3 is just expanding on a precedent that Mario 64 started).

Let's say for arguments sake though that GTA3 was this great Mario 64 esque game. What has Rockstar really done since then? Created upgraded "clones" of GTA with more stuff to do? They tried their hand at a western game which sucked, they tried their hand at a stealth game in Manhunt that was terrible, they tried their hand at a beat em up (State of the Emergency) which was atrocious, they had a racing game that was decent but nothing special, and they even tried to make a ping pong game which was sadly probably their best game besides the GTA series and maybe Bully (But once again is basically a toned down GTA). So I stick by my statement, they are a shallow company that lucked out with GTA and have been sucking off it ever since.

Kairon · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2007, 06:48:10 AM »

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So I stick by my statement, they are a shallow company that lucked out with GTA and have been sucking off it ever since.

But isn't that par for the course in this industry?

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2007, 06:48:32 AM »

I completely agree with GP here. GTA WAS a great game at one time. Now it is more of the same. No innovation has been made to the formula and it has just grown boring to play. I think the locale for GTA IV is very cool and I won't mind taking a look at the new Liberty City, but the gameplay itself, unless drastically changed, is not drawing me to this game. As far as the graphics go, I don't think they are anything spectacular and I would rather see a solid frame rate than prettier graphics.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2007, 06:59:55 AM »

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So I stick by my statement, they are a shallow company that lucked out with GTA and have been sucking off it ever since.

But isn't that par for the course in this industry?

True, though some of the great companies like Square, Capcom and Konami have managed to shake up the industry. Rockstar, has been all about GTA, and really that is starting to slip away because the industry is finally catching on how to make BETTER sandbox style games. Really though, the formula can only go so far, you can only get so "real" before things start getting boring. Will I get GTA4? Probably, but I honestly don't expect an amazing experience. I expect the Madden syndrome which I define as "Basically an updated version of the previous game outdating that old game".

Kairon · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:07:22 AM »

It's strange that I'm defending a game I've never owned... lol. And I'd probably not be able to finish a GTA game all the way to the end if I did own one... either from getting burned out on it, bored, or just because I suck at games in general.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:22:34 AM »

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It's strange that I'm defending a game I've never owned... lol. And I'd probably not be able to finish a GTA game all the way to the end if I did own one... either from getting burned out on it, bored, or just because I suck at games in general.

What is even more funny is that I've OWNED and OWN all the GTA games since GTA3.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #12 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:25:11 AM »

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It's strange that I'm defending a game I've never owned... lol. And I'd probably not be able to finish a GTA game all the way to the end if I did own one... either from getting burned out on it, bored, or just because I suck at games in general.

You definitely get burnt out on that game. I played all the way through GTA Vice City before any of the others and by the time I was done with that, I had enough of GTA for a good long while. I still haven't really played much of GTA 3. I played part of Saints Row for the 360 and got about half way through it before I got tired of it. They are long games where you do the same thing over and over and over. It just grows tiring, and at this point the novelty of the series has just worn off (for me at least).

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:25:36 AM »

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It's strange that I'm defending a game I've never owned... lol. And I'd probably not be able to finish a GTA game all the way to the end if I did own one... either from getting burned out on it, bored, or just because I suck at games in general.

What is even more funny is that I've OWNED and OWN all the GTA games since GTA3.

THE IRONY!!!

Kairon · « **Reply #14 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:34:45 AM »

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It's strange that I'm defending a game I've never owned... lol. And I'd probably not be able to finish a GTA game all the way to the end if I did own one... either from getting burned out on it, bored, or just because I suck at games in general.

What is even more funny is that I've OWNED and OWN all the GTA games since GTA3.

We were made for each other.

Stogi · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2007, 09:39:38 AM »

I never owned a GTA. I always played it at my friend's house and all we would do is go around, use cheats, and kill/murder as many people/cops and blow up as many cars/helicopters as possible. It was always an hilarious time no matter how sadistic that sounds.

To be fair, I've only played GTA3, so I'm looking forward to the next TRUE installment. It looks.....well.......like a huge upgraded GTA3; and that's ok with me. Honestly, I shouldn't have even mentioned the "dope movie" part, because odds are, I won't be even playing it for the story. Same thing has held true for all the GTA's I've played; especially the original.

Nick DiMola · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:02:30 AM »

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I never owned a GTA

I can understand general excitement and interest if you have never owned some sort of GTA game. It is just so overdone for me that I can equate it with WW2 shooters. I'm tired of them and I wish they would stop doing the idea to death.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:10:14 AM »

lol I <3 GTA games. I am pretty excited for this one. No Wii version huh?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:13:07 AM »

"They have a consistent vision that they're pushing"

That's a really nice way to put churning out the same game over and over... =3

As for the trailer, it's almost all cutscenes, which doesn't help to clarify any new gameplay changes or fixes from previous games (like the horrible fighting/aiming system Rockstar refuses to fix), so I can't comment on that...

ThePerm · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:37:58 AM »

Rockstar is not a one trick pony, back when they were called DMA they made Lemmings. All this talk about Rockstar's unoriginality parallels what Sony, Microsoft fan-boys say about Zelda OOT vs Zelda TP

and i do agree, while I was watching the movie I was thinking about how I played the original back in junior high, and its amazing to see how far we've come. Commenting on the framerate isn't even fair at this point because the game isn't even out yet. Things could change.

Kairon · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:14:29 PM »

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"They have a consistent vision that they're pushing"

That's a really nice way to put churning out the same game over and over... =3

Not really. I meant to say that they've admittedly wanted to create games that felt like realizations of movies (or their favorite movies, at least). This is why one of their games is actually a remake of a 70's movie (Warriors) and why this latest GTA IV trailer almost feels paced like a movie trailer.

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Rockstar is not a one trick pony, back when they were called DMA they made Lemmings. All this talk about Rockstar's unoriginality parallels what Sony, Microsoft fan-boys say about Zelda OOT vs Zelda TP.

And not just that, they also gave us the wildly inventive Space Station Silicon Valley and Body harvest on the N64. I <3 Body Harvest.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:20:41 PM »

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Rockstar is not a one trick pony, back when they were called DMA they made Lemmings. All this talk about Rockstar's unoriginality parallels what Sony, Microsoft fan-boys say about Zelda OOT vs Zelda TP

and i do agree, while I was watching the movie I was thinking about how I played the original back in junior high, and its amazing to see how far we've come. Commenting on the framerate isn't even fair at this point because the game isn't even out yet. Things could change.

Yeah and what has Rockstar done lately? That is what I thought. In regards to the Zelda OOT vs Zelda: TP at least you feel like going back to Zelda: OOT, the GTA series you only care about the next game, the old one becomes outdated, that is not what I call an amazing series which is why I liken it to Madden. Not to mention that even taking that comparison as the truth, would mean that Zelda is the only series Nintendo has made that was worth a crap, which is NOT the case. Rockstar has GTA, that is it, they were nothing more than an average developer before GTA3 and are nothing more than an average developer now.

The only developer I can think of off the top of my head that is comparable to Rockstar is the one trick pony crew at Factor 5. They have the Rogue Squadron series and can't do anything else, when they try it is subpar (Even Lair was bad and it wasn't that much different in mechanics from Rogue Squadron?).

ShyGuy · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:36:30 PM »

I still want to buy Bully when it comes out for the Wii.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:53:06 PM »

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I still want to buy Bully when it comes out for the Wii.

I'll get it for Wii, it is basically a toned down GTA but still a fun game.

MaryJane · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2007, 02:45:39 PM »

so... any thoughts on that cut-out effect i started this thread about?

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Author Topic: New GTA IV Trailer (Read 10340 times)