Topic: Third Party character speculation and analysis thread

[KDR_11k]

Konami loves jokes and cameos so there's a good chance if they get to make an assist trophy it's a moai. They also like Simon Belmont, let's hope he appears.

[vudu]

Since no one else is going to agree with TVman, I'll back him up.  Pac-Man in Brawl would be retarded.  He was retarded in the Mario Kart Arcade game, and he'd be retarded in Brawl.

[UERD]

He was also retarded in Baten Kaitos. Which brings me to speculate that there will be no third-party GameCube RPG characters, because there were very few real third-party GameCube RPGs to begin with.  

[18 Days]

Has Rayman been announced yet?

Dare I even suggest that Lara Croft should be in it? She's way cooler than Snake.

[nickmitch]

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Originally posted by: vudu
Since no one else is going to agree with TVman, I'll back him up.  Pac-Man in Brawl would be retarded.  He was retarded in the Mario Kart Arcade game, and he'd be retarded in Brawl.

Thank you.

Kirby may be a cute little creampuff, but he doesn't look ridiculous. Pac-Man was already an established character before he got thrown in to 3-D and given arms, legs and a personality. Youcan't change the fact that he's just to silly looking for Brawl.  

[Bill Aurion]

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Originally posted by: vudu
Since no one else is going to agree with TVman, I'll back him up.  Pac-Man in Brawl would be retarded.  He was retarded in the Mario Kart Arcade game, and he'd be retarded in Brawl.

Agreed...Namco can stay out of Brawl unless they somehow bring in Klonoa (which is highly unlikely)...

[Adrock]

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The only way I could see Cloud making it in is if S-E is planning on making a FF7-related property for a Nintendo console (FF7 remake on the DS, anyone? ). The guy already said that only characters who have appeared on Nintendo consoles would be eligible, although admittedly nothing they've said has really been final or definitive so far

Cloud was in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories on GBA. Yeah, it's a stretch, but, really, so is Snake. On Nintendo hardware, he's been in two remakes (original MG and Twin Snakes), an unofficial retconned sequel (Snake's Revenge), a non-canon side-story (Ghost Babel) and that DreamMix fighting game (which was also on PS2). And on top of that, they even use his MGS2 design, which was released on PS2 and Xbox and NOT Gamecube.

Based on Snake's inclusion, that "must have been on a Nintendo platform" rules doesn't seem too strict. Snake should have been one of those characters who was on the fence, but his presence in Brawl kind of makes it fair game for any popular character.

Brawl never needed to have 3rd party characters. It would've sold well on its own. I'm convinced that the only reason Nintendo OK'd it was to make more money by widening the audience to fans on those 3rd party characters. The popularity of a certain 3rd party character is most likely the determining factor. Sure, Kojima asked/begged to have Snake in the game, but Snake is also a very popular and recognizable character.

And yeah, I think there will be a FFVII related property on Wii, probably a remake. Square-Enix likes making money and they'll get the greater returns on Wii. It's easier and cheaper to develop for with the largest install base in Japan and soon everywhere else in the world.

[UERD]

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Cloud was in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories on GBA.

Oh, wow. I did not know that. In that case, then...I think for a fighting game S-E (or any other company, really) would want to select a character mascot. A racing or sports game is one thing, but for a fighting game you have to have a robust moveset- for example, Link's moves include items and weapons that he uses in his games. So here's to hoping...

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And yeah, I think there will be a FFVII related property on Wii, probably a remake. Square-Enix likes making money and they'll get the greater returns on Wii. It's easier and cheaper to develop for with the largest install base in Japan and soon everywhere else in the world.

It makes so much sense, they probably won't do it ;P. I mean, the super-FFX photorealistic style just doesn't work as well with the PS1-era FF games. They could do stylized remakes faithful to the original and release them for Wii, benefiting from both a large potential userbase and a lot of people who might never have played the original for PS1.

[NWR_pap64]

About the Pac-Man issue, I never said that he was the perfect candidate for Brawl. I merely said if Namco were to participate in the third party roster selection then they would more than likely go with Pac-Man since he's the character with the biggest iconic status at the company. In short, he's a mascot, a mascot that Namco uses for everything, so rest assured if Namco was invited to join Brawl their first choice would be Pac-Man.

And really, I am still surprised that people believe that he is too weird and silly to be in SSB. Yeah he is a weird character in terms of design and even background history but why would that matter in a game like SSB?

I've always believed that the point of SSB is that all of our favorite game characters from all sorts of developers, companies, backgrounds and gameplay got together in one game and had fun battling it out. Hell, the "story" in the first SSB game was that the characters were these figures brought to life by the imagination of a kid and that can be limitless.

Once again, I am shocked that the main reason as to why Pac-Man shouldn't be in Brawl is because he is too weird and silly.  Its one thing that you are not fond of the character, but people we are talking about a game that gave us Mr. Game and watch as a playable character!

As for Cloud, I could see them including him and as much as I don't like the character (used to, but then I got annoyed of his emo antics) it would be a fine addition but again I see them using one of their mascots.

[Smash_Brother]

Pac-Man has kinda been relegated to the status of Namco's "b*tch" mascot. He's not in many new games and doesn't have nearly the presence that he once did.

He was in Mario Kart Arcade, yeah, but as far as Namco icons go, I'd pick an RPG based character would be better and more representative of Namco.

Then again, Namco hasn't done much for the Nintendo lately so I doubt we'll see a Namco character anyway.

[Louieturkey]

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Pac-Man has kinda been relegated to the status of Namco's "b*tch" mascot. He's not in many new games and doesn't have nearly the presence that he once did.

Except he's in EVERY game in the Namco Museum REmix.  In fact, they have "enhanced" every game in the collection to include him, including Galaga of all games.  So they are trying to push him hard.  I could see Namco requesting Pac-man in Brawl.  I just wouldn't want it & wouldn't touch him unless I had to in order to unlock some other characters.

[Adrock]

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As for Cloud, I could see them including him and as much as I don't like the character (used to, but then I got annoyed of his emo antics) it would be a fine addition but again I see them using one of their mascots.

Cloud is one of their mascots and the company's most recognizable character. I think he's more likely than a nameless moogle, white mage or chocobo.