Author Topic: Shiggy speaks about Casual and Hardcore games (Read 31835 times)

Mashiro · « **on:** August 13, 2007, 07:03:33 PM »

Kotaki: Kiss Your Old, Hard Nintendo Games Goodbye

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While there are indeed games designed for core and casual markets, core users are also enjoying casual gaming. It is very hard to tune the difficulty just for the core market. Even for us, we would still have difficulty finding the right balance. But I think the future is games that are not difficult and yet very fun to play

Now . . . Kotaku forum goers and even the news reporter are taking this statement a bit far.

If anything this is just Shiggy stating that Nintendo has a hard time finding the balance between too easy and too hard while making the game fun.

I don't think this is the end of the hardcore Nintendo video game world as others are claiming it to be but we will see.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:06:53 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
Kotaki: Kiss Your Old, Hard Nintendo Games Goodbye

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While there are indeed games designed for core and casual markets, core users are also enjoying casual gaming. It is very hard to tune the difficulty just for the core market. Even for us, we would still have difficulty finding the right balance. But I think the future is games that are not difficult and yet very fun to play

Now . . . Kotaku forum goers and even the news reporter are taking this statement a bit far.

If anything this is just Shiggy stating that Nintendo has a hard time finding the balance between too easy and too hard while making the game fun.

I don't think this is the end of the hardcore Nintendo video game world as others are claiming it to be but we will see.

Wait when were NIntendo games, for the most part, hard?

Blue Plant · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:13:21 PM »

For the most part, Mario Sunshine platforming levels!

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:17:15 PM »

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For the most part, Mario Sunshine platforming levels!

Mario Sunshine really was not that hard, just for all you wussy people!

Kairon · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:19:11 PM »

...uh...no. I suck, and those Sunshine levels were very forgiving and casual friendly. (as in, practically infinite 1-ups.) Is it me or have Nintendo games not been hard ever since the N64?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:22:37 PM »

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...uh...no. I suck, and those Sunshine levels were very forgiving and casual friendly. (as in, practically infinite 1-ups.) Is it me or have Nintendo games not been hard ever since the N64?

Nintendo games were hard on N64? I must have been sleeping then too!

Mario 64-Easy to medium
Zelda: OOT- easy to medium
Mario Kart 64-Easy
Star Fox 64-Easy
Paper Mario-Easy to Medium

Kairon · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:26:05 PM »

No, i mean, they could have been hard on the SNES, but the 64 ones were cake. And I loved them.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:28:19 PM »

SNES was alittle harder in SOME games. LTTP and Super Metroid though I don't think Super Metroid was much harder than the Prime games. And of course Star Fox for SNES was pretty hard. Overall though the Mario games were pretty easy for the most part.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:31:51 PM »

I remember some videogames used to have this one thing in the menu, it was great; you could choose Easy, Medium, or Hard, and the game would either be Easy, Medium, or Hard, depending on which one you selected. I wish the Wii could do that.

Kairon · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:32:14 PM »

Neither Pikmin game was hard.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:34:53 PM »

I think the jump to 3D made most games easier because you could no longer rely on throwing random 2D enemies at people. You had to focus more on balance, with much of the stuff in the 2D games not working out in a 3D world.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:44:56 PM »

Didn't you say you liked easy games?

Kairon · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:46:38 PM »

Was that to me? ^_^ Why do you think I feel like the N64 was my personal golden age of gaming? Games were finally easy enough for me to beat! To this day, I am a Mario Kart 64 GOD... while Super Mario Kart on the SNES makes me break out in cold sweats.

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I remember some videogames used to have this one thing in the menu, it was great; you could choose Easy, Medium, or Hard, and the game would either be Easy, Medium, or Hard, depending on which one you selected. I wish the Wii could do that.

Wow, that's actually very rare nowadays in all games. I wonder why?

But in the interest of Full Disclousre, I must admit that I'd ALWAYS play it on easy mode. I don't have time to get stuck in a game nowadays.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:47:37 PM »

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Didn't you say you liked easy games?

Shyguy is a goober.

Mario · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:55:02 PM »

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For the most part, Mario Sunshine platforming levels!

Mario Sunshine really was not that hard, just for all you wussy people!

Mario Sunshine is pathetically easy for me as an experienced gamer, but Shiggy would call it too hard since its hard to pick up. Controlling Mario and FLUDD and being aware of the environment and the controls all at once is way too intimidating for people. Unlike Wii Sports. But that doesn't mean Wii Sports isn't hard. Who here has all the platinum medals?

Kairon · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:02:50 PM »

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Mario Sunshine is pathetically easy for me as an experienced gamer, but Shiggy would call it too hard since its hard to pick up. Controlling Mario and FLUDD and being aware of the environment and the controls all at once is way too intimidating for people. Unlike Wii Sports.

That's a good point. Sunshine in regular terms was easy, but the controls were definitely a slight obstacle if someone wasn't a gamer.

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But that doesn't mean Wii Sports isn't hard. Who here has all the platinum medals?

Shut up!

SixthAngel · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:52:50 PM »

Nintendo never made hard games since the n64. They have always talked about how they want their games to be very accessible to gamers of all ages. They have been using the word non-gamers instead of new and young gamers like they used to, no big deal. A lot of what they do has been very similar but with smart new advertising and catch phrases like non-gamers.

edit: After going to the real article Kotaku took one piece as a quote and even made the their title to sensationalize it, it should be expected from them.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2007, 09:06:12 PM »

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Nintendo never made hard games since the n64. They have always talked about how they want their games to be very accessible to gamers of all ages. They have been using the word non-gamers instead of new and young gamers like they used to, no big deal. A lot of what they do has been very similar but with smart new advertising and catch phrases like non-gamers.

You do have a point, before Nintendo advertised that their games were for everyone of all ages. So really not much has changed when you look at it that way!

Blue Plant · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2007, 09:32:25 PM »

Yeah, whatever

KDR_11k · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:07:55 PM »

I would rate SMS as anything from trivially easy to frustratingly hard depending on the level. Some were pushovers while others were a real pain to deal with. E.g. one "secret" has you running along a path of decaying blocks, I found it almost impossible to keep Mario on the path because if you make a turn the camera will start turning as well and you have to constantly readjust the direction you move in, if you move too far off even once you fall off the track and have to restart the "secret", if you stop to adjust the camera the block under you decays and you fall, *bzzt* restart. The beach levels with those duck-things were similarily annoying, the red ones could combo you by reaching you the moment you can move again so if you get caught in the wrong way once you get thrown until you die and have to restart.

Michael8983 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:25:11 PM »

It's all relative. I guarantee you if you gave someone who never played video games in their life Super Mario Bros and then Super Mario Sunshine they would say the former is easier than the latter.
Sure Super Mario Sunshine seems MUCH easier to most of us now but we've been gaming with Mario for two decades.
Also a lot of NES games were more difficult for no other reason than because save files weren't common at the time. I don't consider that true difficulty as much as a technical restraint.

As for the hardcore vs casual debate.
I'd say Nintendo is doing an excellent job of balancing them out so far.
We've got titles like Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Big Brain that appeal to the very casual and so called "non-gamers".
Then titles like Twilight Princess and the soon to come Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, and Brawl for the hardcore.
Then there are titles like Mario Party 8 and Warioware Smooth Moves falling somewhere in between.

People can preach doom and gloom about Nintendo possibly shifting things too much in one direction or the other next year but you have to give them credit for getting it pretty damn right so far.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:25:34 PM »

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I remember some videogames used to have this one thing in the menu, it was great; you could choose Easy, Medium, or Hard, and the game would either be Easy, Medium, or Hard, depending on which one you selected. I wish the Wii could do that.

Wow, that's actually very rare nowadays in all games. I wonder why?

But in the interest of Full Disclousre, I must admit that I'd ALWAYS play it on easy mode. I don't have time to get stuck in a game nowadays.

I don't think it's any more rare now than it's ever been. Nearly all of the PC games I play have selectable difficulty. And Nintendo's never had a habbit of providing selectable difficulty settings.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #22 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:27:51 PM »

Interesting, concerning it was Miyamoto's idea to make Super Mario Galaxy a more difficult game...

Kairon · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:34:09 PM »

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I don't think it's any more rare now than it's ever been. Nearly all of the PC games I play have selectable difficulty. And Nintendo's never had a habbit of providing selectable difficulty settings.

Hmm... maybe I've been playing too many Nintendo games...

Smoke39 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:37:32 PM »

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Interesting, concerning it was Miyamoto's idea to make Super Mario Galaxy a more difficult game...

Yeah, Miyamoto doesn't make much sense anymore, does he?

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