Topic: Official SSBB SmashDate Discussion

[Mashiro]

1) Diddy Kong is cool however Diddy Kong being based off DK64 is terrible and I could care less about his special moves, final smash, or anything relating to him.

2) I never said best update ever to an assist trophy.

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[Spak-Spang]

I think I like Diddy Kong being based after DK64.  It was the last real game he was in, and although the game was a crazy collection fest it wasn't horrible, just not great.  

And I would rather Donkey Kong be about his more modern games and Diddy Kong hark back to the older series which Donkey Kong 64 is a part of.

[couchmonkey]

Apparently the Japanese are gonzo for the DK Rap.  Rare invented it as a joke and is shocked that they like it so much.

As for Diddy's moves coming from DK64, I haven't played any recent DK games, but I think it makes sense because, really, what other moves does he have?  They could have invented all-new moves for him, but I think it's cool that they used some existing stuff instead.

Mr. Resetti is awesome.  

[Louieturkey]

Everyone needs a good lecture now and then.  Mr. Resetti will probably cause me to lose a few rounds just because I want to see what he's saying.

[Smash_Brother]

I now find myself hoping the AC human is, in fact, the playable character for AC, mainly because it'll piss off so many AC-haters.

I'm guessing you could just swap costumes to change gender and appearance like you usually do with color schemes.

[NWR_pap64]

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I now find myself hoping the AC human is, in fact, the playable character for AC, mainly because it'll piss off so many AC-haters.

I'm guessing you could just swap costumes to change gender and appearance like you usually do with color schemes.

The only explanation left as to why they haven't shown the character off is because the character could be heavily linked to AC Wii and want to keep him or her a surprise for now.

With Resetti downgraded to an assist trophy and a great deal of the AC characters being spectators on the stage the only thing left is the human character.

If nothing is confirmed then simply put the creators don't believe that AC fits in the SSB universe well.

[Smash_Brother]

I take one thing I said earlier back: I'd like to see EBA as playable, but since the very nature of their game focuses on them ASSISTING others, I think it's pretty logical to assume they'll wind up as an assist trophy and getting my hopes up would be idiotic.

[Bill Aurion]

I'll guess I'll also take back one of my desirable playables, Lip, because they already showed off in the Munchlax update that it's still an item...And considering that's her main accessory... =(

[Smash_Brother]

That sucks.

In a way, I'd almost rather not have the assist trophies because every (and I mean EVERY) time a character we thought should be playable pops up, we're going to think, "Sh*t, if only ______ had been playable instead..."

Lyndis, Goroh, Deoxys, Resetti...I'm sure there will be plenty more once the full list is revealed. It also sucks doubly for Resetti because one of his lines actually suggests that he SHOULD be fighting. That's a kick in the teeth if I ever saw one.

Yeah, I know "Better this than nothing, etc." but I guarantee that after the 30th time you see ________ come out of an assist trophy, the novelty will have worn off but the regret of them not being playable will likely still be there.

[Spak-Spang]

EBA being an assist trophy would be great.  

How I would do it is have the 3 agents jump into the background and just dance in the background.
The music for the stage changes into music with generic voices for the singers and they sing and dance.

Granting you either Stronger attacks, or a slow replenishing of yourself.


However sometimes you get agents that are poor dancers and singers and the the song sounds really screwed up and they trip and fall during dancing.

When you get this team your attacks are weaker or your damage percent slowly goes up instead of down.


Mr. Resetti is pretty funny.  I bet he stops the screen from scrolling, so that he is always center stage.  As such he becomes a strange Assist Trophy sorta like The Devil, but not as extreme.

[IceCold]

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In a way, I'd almost rather not have the assist trophies because every (and I mean EVERY) time a character we thought should be playable pops up, we're going to think, "Sh*t, if only ______ had been playable instead..."

I don't agree with you at the moment, but if Olimar is shown to be an assist trophy, I'm sending the fire ants on express service..

[Mikintosh]

C'mon, they weren't going to make Mr. Resetti and the other assist trophies playable, or they would've done so. It's not a "missed opportunity"; they obviously just thought they wouldn't make strong enough playable characters. Let's not get all emotional about this, a'ight?

That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.

[Spak-Spang]

True.  Why look at the assist trophies through negative eyes.

The reality is you can only have a limited number of players in the game.  So with Assist trophies it means that Nintendo is able to bring more characters for the fans to see in the game, and use them in a unique and fun way.

I would rather see a character as an assist trophy than not at all...and that is really the important aspect to remember about the ATs.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: IceCold I don't agree with you at the moment, but if Olimar is shown to be an assist trophy, I'm sending the fire ants on express service..

And if he pops out, tosses a few Pikmin at people and then vanishes...

I suspect that I might wind up shutting ATs off because every time Resetti or the EBA come up, I'll think about how badly it sucks that they weren't playable. I'll probably get over it if Sonic is in the game, but unless there's at least ONE character who I'll absolutely love to play as, I'll still finger my fire ant shipping boxes every time an AT I wanted as playable pops up.

[NWR_pap64]

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C'mon, they weren't going to make Mr. Resetti and the other assist trophies playable, or they would've done so. It's not a "missed opportunity"; they obviously just thought they wouldn't make strong enough playable characters. Let's not get all emotional about this, a'ight?

That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.

And what if he's just an assist trophy...

To ask to not get emotional over the trophies would be to stop loving our favorite characters all together. One of the great things about SSB is the high nostalgia factor that the characters, trophies, stages, items and music pieces emit. Its hard NOT to get emotional when you see your character see strut his or her stuff in the game. So seeing a favorite character being reduced to just an assist when you know he or she can do MORE can be grating and even annoying.

I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.

[HadesGigas]

What the hell would Resetti do as a playable character? He doesn't even leave the ground ever.

EBA would suck too. Olimar would be pretty likely to suck as well.

Lyn and Goroh... more sword people, who needs 'em?

[LuigiHann]

I'd rather have my favorite character show up as an assist trophy than not show up at all.  

[NWR_pap64]

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What the hell would Resetti do as a playable character? He doesn't even leave the ground ever.

EBA would suck too. Olimar would be pretty likely to suck as well.

Lyn and Goroh... more sword people, who needs 'em?

Using that logic ALL the characters in SSB suck...

FYI, Mr. Resetti DOES leave the ground. On a rare occasion he will be drinking coffee at the museum. He also appeared out of the ground in the AC movie.

As for his moves, well, he has a giant pick axe that LOVES to wield around in an angry flurry. Combine that with some punch and kick attacks and jumps and you have a character!

Hell, I even came up with a final smash for him. When he grabs a smash ball he gets so, so angry that he yells "THAT'S IT! I HAD ENOUGH! I WILL ERASE ALL THE GAME DATA IN THIS WII! AND I'LL DO IT!

1...

2...

...THREE!!!!!"

The screen then fades to black and stays that way for a couple of seconds. Then it goes back on and all fighters will have received a substantial amount of damage and be dizzy.

As for EBA they can turn their dance  moves into attacks. Have you even seen some of their moves? Quoting the old DoA 3 commercial; "they kick HIGH!".

If I was the game's director I would turn them into capoiera (sp?) like characters. Their final smash would consist of gathering the energy from thousands of cheering fans and launching a massive energy beam that could hit all characters and even destroy part of the stage, just like in the EBA ending.

Finally, if they came up with moves for Falcon I'm sure they could've made some up for Goroh, even if he was a sword user. And Lyn, she's from FE, I'm sure she had plenty of attacks they could've used.

So the "the characters suck" argument is more like a trolling comment rather than a useful thing to use in a discussion.

[Luigi Dude]

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I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.

Not really because there's other characters that are more important to each series then those three.  Even though Goroh is Captain Falcons rival from the original game, ever since F-Zero X Black Shadow has played a much bigger role in each game.  That's why if there's another F-Zero character it'll be Black Shadow because he's played the biggest role in the series behind only Falcon.

Lyn never had a chance because she's the least important of the three Lords from FE7.  If a character from that game would be playable it'd be either Eliwood or Hector since they had the biggest role

And Resetti didn't have much of a chance either since Tom Nook and K.K Slider are more important character then he is.  Not to mention the whole Mii idea for an Animal Crossing character would probobly happen before they made Resetti playable.

People have to remember the one the thing that gets characters in is there importance to the series their in.  The most important characters have been the ones to make it in because they're the most popular and reconizable to their series.  This is why the only non popular unknown characters have been from older franchises like Ice Climbers, and even in that case, the Ice Climbers are the most important characters to that series.

This is why someone like Captain Olimar still has a chance since he's the most important character to the Pikmin series.  If they want Pikmin to be represented then Captain Olimar will be the character chosen.  But this is why characters from series that are already represented like Lyn didn't have much of a chance since they are other characters much more important to the series then they are.

[Smash_Brother]

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People have to remember the one the thing that gets characters in is there importance to the series their in.  The most important characters have been the ones to make it in because they're the most popular and reconizable to their series.

Actually, I think it's whoever they hell they feel like adding. The Mr G&W they used in the game isn't even the lead G&W character: the actual G&W had eyes while the generic passerby people in the game look like the G&W featured in SSBM.

But seriously, I expect Sakurai to do whatever he wants. If there's talk of Muddy Mole being added as playable, then I'm convinced that absolutely anything is fair game.

[JonLeung]

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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherIf there's talk of Muddy Mole being added as playable, then I'm convinced that absolutely anything is fair game.

LOL, and I keep joking that no one remembers Mole Mania.

I also don't think it's a matter of "importance" or "popularity/obscurity" though there certainly must be some degree of value to adding a particular character since they can't add them all.  Mr. Game & Watch was a surprise at the time in Melee, but I'm sure they wanted a wacky character, and even if all the generic Game & Watch characters were never identified as a single person before, there's still some throwback to the pre-NES era so there's some historical value or something there.  The Fire Emblem characters brought interest in the series outside of Japan (if I remember correctly Roy was in a Fire Emblem game not even released in Japan yet).  The Ice Climbers...well, maybe they were experimenting with having tag team characters and they liked it enough to keep in there, certainly they don't have a legion of fans like Pit of Kid Icarus.

But Muddy Mole from Mole Mania?  I don't see him as anything beyond a trophy, and not even an assist trophy.  There are no Mole Mania fans and no chance for a sequel.

And Mr. Resetti I don't see as a playable character ever, as some gamers never have the thought to reset an Animal Crossing game.  K.K. Slider and Tom Nook have a better chance of being one before him.

I don't get why there are so many Mr. Resetti haters on GoNintendo...

[Mikintosh]

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C'mon, they weren't going to make Mr. Resetti and the other assist trophies playable, or they would've done so. It's not a "missed opportunity"; they obviously just thought they wouldn't make strong enough playable characters. Let's not get all emotional about this, a'ight?

That said, yeah, Olimar should be playable, since I think Miyamoto would smile upon that.

And what if he's just an assist trophy...

To ask to not get emotional over the trophies would be to stop loving our favorite characters all together. One of the great things about SSB is the high nostalgia factor that the characters, trophies, stages, items and music pieces emit. Its hard NOT to get emotional when you see your character see strut his or her stuff in the game. So seeing a favorite character being reduced to just an assist when you know he or she can do MORE can be grating and even annoying.

I agree that not all characters are good enough to be playable, but Goroh, Lyn and Resetti had more than enough power to be in the game. And before you say "but they don't have enough moves!" remember that they created some moves for Fox and Falcon.

Yeah, but they had already been playable in their Smash forms (remember 64's on-foot battle mode)? Captain Falcon got in because he's a mascot, but do we really need Goroh, who'd at best be a weird hybrid between him and Marth? This isn't King of Fighters, people.

I agree it's cooler to have certain characters as playable rather than assists (Pokemon Trainer I'm glad is being included), but to tear the game down because the development team didn't especially want to fully program obscure characters that wouldn't get 98% of their base excited is kinda not fair to them. We're lucky they're putting this much work into the thing in the first place; let's try to act a little grateful?

[LuigiHann]

Yeah, I'm assuming that there will be more assist trophies than playable characters. They can't all be playable.  

[stevey]

I was right, Triple Pokemon Final Smash!  

[Crimm]

If Red weren't already exiled from the Pokemon League he would be expelled for this.

1. Three Pokemon
2. Unsanctioned battle
3. Human targets