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Offline Adrock

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If you didn't know Shiek was Zelda in disguise, you need to stop playing videogames and be a farmer or something. Worst plot twist ever.

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I know a guy who beat the game and still didn't get that until SSBM hit him over the head with it.

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Worst observation skills ever.

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Dammit, it's Sheik, stop calling him Shiek...

And "HOLY CRAP!" at the new song...Best song update yet, and that's saying something!
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I think it was assumed that it would be completely orchestrated after listening to the first trailer music created.


Actually, Sakurai posted that the entire game would be orchestrated on the music section of the old site.

Also, it can't possibly be that horrendously expensive to hire an orchestra when they did it to make the Nintendo Power bonus CD, which they gave out for free.
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Worst observation skills ever.


They have a DS game in Japan that fixes that.
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No they have orchestras.  They are just expensive to hire.  I remember reading an article that stated it is cheaper to higher and fly in an orchestra from another country than to use Japanese orchestras.


That's exactly right. It was cheaper for Toho to fly their composer out to Russia to score both Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S., on two seperate trips in two years, compared to how much it cost to orchestrate the scores in Japan.

The saddest part? The orchestra was also several times larger as well, and really the soundtracks for those two films were heads and shoulders above other recent efforts in that series on account of it.

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Dammit, it's Sheik, stop calling him Shiek...


Stop calling her a he... :-(
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No they have orchestras.  They are just expensive to hire.  I remember reading an article that stated it is cheaper to higher and fly in an orchestra from another country than to use Japanese orchestras.


That's exactly right. It was cheaper for Toho to fly their composer out to Russia to score both Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla and Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S., on two seperate trips in two years, compared to how much it cost to orchestrate the scores in Japan.

The saddest part? The orchestra was also several times larger as well, and really the soundtracks for those two films were heads and shoulders above other recent efforts in that series on account of it.


That's not sad, that's globalization.
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Dammit, it's Sheik, stop calling him Shiek...


Stop calling her a he... :-(

No, because Sheik, the character (as in, who Zelda is masquerading as), is a male...It's noted many times in OoT...  
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Sheik is physically completly different than Zelda, the N64 wouldn't have rendered breasts that well anyway, but we see sheik's eyes and they are red, while Zelda's eyes are blue, its really a whole other body, and its a male one (no, I don't want to go into details there...).

Later when Nintendo gave FMV a chance in the intro of Melee it made quite clear Sheik was a male by detailing his (her?, it? :p) chest.



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But it was all an ILLYOOSHUN!!!
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I am actually glad that not all the music will be orchestral. Not all the games being represented in SSBB need or fit well with orchestral music. This is not to say that I do not like orchestral music, I love it, I just feel that variety is best.

Regarding the new mix on the site, I could tell that it was done by someone who worked on the Wild Arms series, because of the somewhat prominent western (as in cowboy) motif, and I think it would be a crime not to have the Gerudo Valley Theme be part of it, and I do not care if it is not one of the tunes played on the ocarina.

Regarding Sheik's gender, I always figured that after Zelda reveled that she was in fact Sheik that it was pretty solid that Sheik was actually a Female. I did not think there was anything like a Ranma or Berg Katse thing going on. At most one could say that Sheik is supposed to be heavily androgynous, like the Statue of Liberty (everyone assumes it is a she but it is not), so that when playing OOT one would not be sure who was behind the mask. As for the use of "He" in the game script, it is convention in common english to use masculine pronouns in the case of an androgynous or genderless entity (person or animal). It is also part of human nature to usually assume that an entity that appears androgynous or genderless is in fact a member of one's own gender.

The more I think about it though the more I would like to see Human Midna take Sheik's place as Zelda's transformation, keeping all the same moves of course. I think that SSB is ready for a hot redhead.
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Yes, the Statue of Liberty is indeed a 'she.'  As far as I can find, there is not even a hint that the statue was ever meant to portray a man instead of a woman.  What source do you have that says otherwise?

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But it was all an ILLYOOSHUN!!!

It doesn't matter...Zelda was pretending to be a guy, so Sheik is a guy...Zelda's gender has nothing to do with who she was pretending to be...
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It appears that you are right Thatguy, a quick search turned up nothing. I heard it while back on a tour of the Statue of Liberty when I was nine, and from some where else (a book or documentary) when a was a little older, but now I cannot find any traces of the Statue of Liberty being androgynous anywhere on the net (except one anti-mason conspiracy site and some extreme feminist site, which are far from reliable sources). Maybe I heard wrong, or my memory is a little fuzzy.

I may be wrong about the Statue of Liberty's androgyny, but I think my point stands fine without such an example. This does call into question my memory though.
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If I dress up as a girl, and call myself Sue, I'm still a goddamn guy. Sue is a guy because Sue has a dong and no ovaries.  
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I think I see what Bill is trying to say, the Sheik persona itself is male, even if the person assuming the persona is female. Kind of like old Shakespearian theater, in that every character was played by a male actor, but being played by a male does not turn the female character into a male, and vice versa in the case of Peter Pan.

I still think that Sheik's character was more androgynous than anything, but that is defiantly another way to look at it.
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Bill isn't really disagreeing about gender.  He's disagreeing with how "Sheik" is defined.  That is, Sheik is a persona which is male.

edit: basically what anubis said.
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Kenology:  You do realize that the sample was not the entire composition, and an epic boss Meledy may actually still be a part of it don't you?  We are only getting very short samples of the music which are probably 3-4 minutes long.

WTF??

A better question would be:

Do YOU realize that I used the word "sample" at one time in the context which would denote that it was to mean 'a small part of something or one of a number, intended to show the quality, style, or nature of the whole' don't you?  Nevermind, rhetorical question, you clearly didn't.

Secondly, if we assume that the track would 3 - 4 minutes long, I doubt that'd leave the appropriate amount of time to do a decent battle theme medley either.    

Anyways, I maintain the piece sucks for the reasons I outlined two pages back.  And judging it from exactly what's heard in the sample, it was an Ocarina Medley.      
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Thankfully everyone else in the entire world disagrees with you. Dumbest reasons to hate a music piece ever.

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Just for the fun this will cause.

(I hope they change Zelda's hair color to a lighter brown if the keep it that way.  Because right now it looks like comes from a bottle.)
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First off, women do have pectoral muscles. Second I have always wondered if that set of "bandages" that rap around Sheiks chest were some sort of breast binding garment, thus hiding anything that could directly make Sheik look female.
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Oh for gosh sakes people it's MAGIC!!! MAGIC!!! GANON TURNS INTO A 50 FOOT PIG FOR CHRSSAKE!!! MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC!!!
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That's just childish, Kairon.  Everyone knows magic isn't real.
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But does magic turn Ganon into a 50 foot Female pig? Answer me that.

Just messing with you man.
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