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Agatha Christie you haters!
« on: March 19, 2007, 05:42:15 AM »
http://gonintendo.com/?p=14779

Doesn't get more mature than that!

If the Wii can successfully revive the adventure genre, it will be the best console ever.
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RE: Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 05:53:46 AM »
As someone pointed out, this will probably appeal to casual gamers like crazy but gamers themselves probably won't care.

Still, interesting development and I'd like to see more.
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RE: Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 05:54:58 AM »
Agatha who?
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 05:56:26 AM »
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Agatha who?


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RE: Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 06:09:16 AM »
Laugho, pap fails at mysteries...I'm not a *huge* fan of the Christie novels (I'm personally a Conan Doyle fanatic), but I'm all over more adventures for Wii...More...MORE!
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 06:13:13 AM »
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Agatha who?


Wrote a bunch of sh*tty mystery novels a while back. She's either dead now or should be because no one reads books anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 06:16:53 AM »
Well that was a tad uncalled-for... =\
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 06:18:09 AM »
This came out for PC already, right?
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 06:19:02 AM »
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Well that was a tad uncalled-for... =\


I know it's an unpleasant truth, but internet killed the paperback star.
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 06:41:47 AM »
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Agatha who?


Wrote a bunch of sh*tty mystery novels a while back. She's either dead now or should be because no one reads books anymore.


Yeah, your right.  A novel that basically started the entire "who done it?" genre of books/films deserves nothing but immature hate from an internet geek..

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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 06:44:16 AM »
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Agatha who?


Wrote a bunch of sh*tty mystery novels a while back. She's either dead now or should be because no one reads books anymore.


Yeah, your right.  A novel that basically started the entire "who done it?" genre of books/films deserves nothing but immature hate from an internet geek..


Ignore him. SB can be bitter like that .
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2007, 06:48:17 AM »
Give me Nancy Drew for Wii, please!
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 06:51:52 AM »
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Give me Nancy Drew for Wii, please!


Nancy who?
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2007, 06:52:25 AM »
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Originally posted by: The Omen Yeah, your right.  A novel that basically started the entire "who done it?" genre of books/films deserves nothing but immature hate from an internet geek..


Sir Arthur Conan Doyle disagrees with you, especially since he "Influenced: Agatha Christie and other detective fiction authors".

However, it should be noted that Doyle was influenced by Edgar Allen Poe, whose "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" debuted in 1841, 49 years before Christie was even born, and is most CERTAINLY a "whodunnit" with quite a twist ending (possibly the first "What a twist!" in history, but I can't verify that).

So let's not be giving Christie credit for ideas when she was already being "influenced" by others, shall we?

Christie's books sold so well because she was the first to introduce "whodunnits" at a 3rd grade reading level. See also RL Stine.  
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2007, 06:53:03 AM »
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Nancy who?


DIE!
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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2007, 06:53:18 AM »
Dr. Who? Frank Perdue? Disco Stu?
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2007, 07:12:55 AM »
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Christie's books sold so well because she was the first to introduce "whodunnits" at a 3rd grade reading level.


Hurr.... I guess that explains why she is the second best selling writer of all time.

Seriously, though, her family enslave yours in the past? What's up with all of the hate against her?
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2007, 07:18:11 AM »
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Christie's books sold so well because she was the first to introduce "whodunnits" at a 3rd grade reading level.


Hurr.... I guess that explains why she is the second best selling writer of all time.

Seriously, though, her family enslave yours in the past? What's up with all of the hate against her?


Is there such a thing as Italian slaves?

Then again, there were Chinese, Indian, Irish and other races  working for the white man. So I wouldn't be surprised if Italians were forced to work as well.
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2007, 07:20:50 AM »
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Seriously, though, her family enslave yours in the past? What's up with all of the hate against her?


People ragged on Pap so I took up the opposing viewpoint. No other reason.

I don't care what she is. I think a number of Shakespeare's plays were erroneous in their assumptions about human emotion and he's considered the #1 writer of all time. Harry Potter books sell insanely well and I believe they're likewise crap.

In the end, popularity = idiots thinking in unison. "Everyone else likes it" has never been a valid argument for anything because many things achieve mass popularity when they certainly don't deserve it.

I'm serious when I say that she took the typically grisly and dark concept of murder and mystery and made it for all ages which is why she sold so well. Doyle and Poe were better writers with ideas which she was "influenced by" (read: lifted) but the difference was that theirs aren't typically read to children (especially not Poe's) whereas hers sell so well even today because her books are a perfect fit for school reading.

In fact, I bet most everyone here who likes her work was initially introduced to it in a school of some kind.
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RE: Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2007, 07:43:05 AM »
Poe kicks ass and will always kick ass.

Christie's Poirot character is a f*cking madman, and to dislike him is a travesty, and you should just punch yourself in your beanbag right now.

To pretend that she has not leveled a considerable talent into that genre is just foolishness.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2007, 07:58:08 AM »
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I don't care what she is. I think a number of Shakespeare's plays were erroneous in their assumptions about human emotion and he's considered the #1 writer of all time. Harry Potter books sell insanely well and I believe they're likewise crap.


I only read the first HP book, but if the movies are any indication, the books aren't certainly all crap.

I honestly can't talk about the books since I only have the movies to defend myself with (and the general thinking is that books=always better than the movie), but the stories are certainly well told with many aspects that will probably fly over some kids' heads. In my honest opinion, HP at least deserve some of its praise.

Eragon is a far much better example since that took off like crazy, no questions asked.  
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2007, 07:59:07 AM »
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Originally posted by: Strell Christie's Poirot character is a f*cking madman, and to dislike him is a travesty, and you should just punch yourself in your beanbag right now.


Roffles...

Critics have claimed that Poirot was based on two other fictional detectives of the time: Marie Belloc Lowndes' Hercule Popeau and Frank Howel Evans' Monsieur Poiret, a retired French police officer living in London. A more obvious influence on the early Poirot stories is that of Arthur Conan Doyle. In An Autobiography Christie admits that "I was still writing in the Sherlock Holmes tradition - eccentric detective, stooge assistant, with a Lestrade-type Scotland Yard detective, Inspector Japp."

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To pretend that she has not leveled a considerable talent into that genre is just foolishness.


Of course: she was an excellent author, greatly talented at taking existing concepts and changing their intended audience.

I know that sounds like disrespect, but from what I heard, Shakespeare did largely the same thing. It was once said that it's not the people who come up with the great ideas who profit, it's the people who take those ideas, tweak them a bit and make them better who actually profit. Like I said, not knocking her skills at what she did. I just don't want to see authors like Poe and Doyle overlooked and discredited because Christie is more popular.

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"Dragon Wars: A New Hope" is a far much better example since that took off like crazy, no questions asked.


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RE: Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2007, 08:17:31 AM »
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the Wii this morning...
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2007, 08:23:06 AM »
Oh, come on.

Would you sit idly by while someone gave "Ratchet and Clank" credit for inventing the 3D platforming genre? Hell no. Anyone here would be quick to point out that it was Mario 64 that pioneered the concept.

Why is it such a travesty that I insist that Christie not be credited with inventing the mystery genre and being such a talented pioneer when SHE HERSELF admits that her stories were inspired by the works of other authors who came before her?

Christie isn't in the wrong here: the people shoveling credit onto her are.
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RE:Agatha Christie you haters!
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2007, 08:28:29 AM »
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Would you sit idly by while someone gave "Ratchet and Clank" credit for inventing the 3D platforming genre? Hell no. Anyone here would be quick to point out that it was Mario 64 that pioneered the concept.


Umm... I think more people are having trouble with the overall sentiment toward Christie. It's one thing to state that Ratchet and Clank did not invent the "3D platforming genre", it's another to simply dive into attack mode by calling the series a "bunch of sh*tty [games]".
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