Author Topic: Agatha Christie you haters! (Read 20202 times)

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #25 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:31:52 AM »

Ergo, people would be attempting to refute my opinion.

I didn't like them, but that doesn't mean others need to share that opinion. Half of the things I like are generally disliked by others (like SR...).

But again, I don't want people having any misconceptions about the origins of her ideas. I'm not here to tell people what to like, only to establish where the credit should lie (or to point out that CHRISTIE has already told us where the credit should lie).

Arbok · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:37:13 AM »

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Ergo, people would be attempting to refute my opinion.

Yep, an opinion that Agatha Christie should be dead, if she wasn't already, due to the type of books she writes... man, can't imagine how that directed any attention onto itself.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #27 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:43:59 AM »

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Originally posted by: Arbok Yep, an opinion that Agatha Christie should be dead, if she wasn't already, due to the type of books she writes... man, can't imagine how that directed any attention onto itself.

Ah, but you misread me:

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She's either dead now or should be because no one reads books anymore.

It has nothing to do with her type of books, just that the internet is slowly killing reading.

Though, it was a joke anyhow made more at the expense of the people who lambasted Pap for his comment (which was innocent enough).

Technically, I can stand by the point that Agatha Christie SHOULD be dead because, if she wasn't, she'd be 117 years old and that's just unnatural.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #28 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:44:27 AM »

Down the courtside, here's the layup... and it's Arbok for Pwn!

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #29 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:50:14 AM »

Nah, Arbok and I do this a lot: he plays devil's advocate while I playfully refute his claims with more silliness, hence all the

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Arbok · « **Reply #30 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:54:09 AM »

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It has nothing to do with her type of books, just that the internet is slowly killing reading.

Oh, okay, perfectly accetable reason to wish death upon an author...

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Nah, Arbok and I do this a lot: he plays devil's advocate while I playfully refute his claims with more silliness, hence all the ing.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:58:57 AM »

I just take either of you guy's posts seriously anymore

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #32 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:00:21 AM »

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Originally posted by: Arbok Oh, okay, perfectly accetable reason to wish death upon an author...

I'd be all like, "GET YOUR 117 YEAR-OLD ASS THE HELL OFF THIS MORTAL COIL, B*TCH!!!!"

But to be fair, I'm not wishing death upon her so much as suggesting it would be a kinder alternative, given the internet's gradual destruction of the paperback industry.

Unless eBooks catch on, I don't see it going so well, which is a shame because I'm an aspiring writer myself.

For the record, I don't actually have any ill-will towards Christie. I just wanted to ruffle the feathers of the folks who lashed at Pap, but I do consider it important to trace the flow of ideas back to their origin, and since Christie herself has done this, I can't fault her, now can I?

And I've always thought of myself as the White Spy...

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I just take either of you guy's posts seriously anymore

Don't fret, man. The dance of wits is older than time itself.

Arbok · « **Reply #33 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:09:40 AM »

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But to be fair, I'm not wishing death upon her so much as suggesting it would be a kinder alternative, given the internet's gradual destruction of the paperback industry.

Introducing the assited suicide program for authors by Smash_Brother....?

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I just take either of you guy's posts seriously anymore

Just be thankful this wasn't about a digital medium taking over a traditional one.

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Unless eBooks catch on...

Uh oh...

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #34 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:12:58 AM »

Hey, I said UNLESS. I ain't crackin' THAT can o' worms open.

Someone ELSE can be the first rat to the trap, thanks.

UncleBob · « **Reply #35 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:54:18 AM »

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I'm serious when I say that she took the typically grisly and dark concept of murder and mystery and made it for all ages which is why she sold so well. Doyle and Poe were better writers with ideas which she was "influenced by" (read: lifted) but the difference was that theirs aren't typically read to children (especially not Poe's) whereas hers sell so well even today because her books are a perfect fit for school reading.

In fact, I bet most everyone here who likes her work was initially introduced to it in a school of some kind.

I don't want to get into this entire issue with Ms. Christie, but if you really believe this crap, you're full of it.

Who here *didn't* read anything by both Poe and Sir Doyle in school? Anyone? (of course, the requirement that you've went to school is a part of that previous question. Also, if you were assigned to read it, but choose not to for whatever reason, then it still counts).

I had so much Poe shoved down my throat in school... I think we only read one Sir Doyle story though...

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:59:35 AM »

I read plenty of Poe in school, but no Doyle or Christie. The only exposure I have to Agatha Christie's work is Mystery on PBS.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:03:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: UncleBob I had so much Poe shoved down my throat in school... I think we only read one Sir Doyle story though...

But how old were you when you read Poe? And I don't even count "The Raven" because it's probably the very tamest of all his works and is the most child-friendly, unlike Rue Morgue and some of his other stories dealing with demons.

We never touched Doyle and only read one Poe in high school.

Meanwhile, Christie was on the approved reading list for us for 6th grade and "And Then There Were None" was read to us in class.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:08:48 AM »

I read works by Doyle and Stevenson when I was ten. Guess they are kiddie.

Which Poe story are you referring to with demons?

edit - on the subject: waggle waggle.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:13:34 AM »

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I read works by Doyle and Stevenson when I was ten. Guess they are kiddie.

This is going to vary from district to district, but I grew up in a conservative waspy district where they were stricter about the content children were allowed to read.

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Which Poe story are you referring to with demons?

It's been years and I can't even remember the title. In the story, a demon was giving the lead character a vision by placing his hand upon his forehead and that's really the only detail I remember.

I didn't read that in school, but in the Poe book I bought for myself after school. My point was that any remotely religious school district probably wouldn't allow any of his works if they deal with demons.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:29:36 AM »

District? Is that some public school thing? I was home schooled and we had no television, so I read a lot on my own. I've read the entire works of Poe, but it's been awhile, I don't remember literal demons.

Strell · « **Reply #41 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:42:03 AM »

SB,

I have no clue if Christie copied or not, and like you said, Shakespeare did largely the same thing.

I'm just not taking that into consideration. I said one clear thing - Piorot kicks ass, and he does.

If AC is some shameless schmuck who got all the attention despite some plagiarism, well ok. I'm not discussing that at all.

UncleBob · « **Reply #42 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:48:19 AM »

Overly Religious school districts won't allow Harry Potter in their schools... guess Harry Potter is teh mature?

The Omen · « **Reply #43 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:58:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: The Omen Yeah, your right. A novel that basically started the entire "who done it?" genre of books/films deserves nothing but immature hate from an internet geek..

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle disagrees with you, especially since he "Influenced: Agatha Christie and other detective fiction authors".

However, it should be noted that Doyle was influenced by Edgar Allen Poe, whose "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" debuted in 1841, 49 years before Christie was even born, and is most CERTAINLY a "whodunnit" with quite a twist ending (possibly the first "What a twist!" in history, but I can't verify that).

So let's not be giving Christie credit for ideas when she was already being "influenced" by others, shall we?

Christie's books sold so well because she was the first to introduce "whodunnits" at a 3rd grade reading level. See also RL Stine.

I wasn't arguing about her skills as a writer, my dear child(I'm not even a Christie fan). And I'll give respect to Sir Doyle, but I don't know why I have to as I never soiled his name in the first place. I'd assumed you were the one to insult him, if by only saying that no one reads books anymore. And with that, you show your idiocy. I merely wanted to point this idiocy out to your peers. I have a feeling they already know, however.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #44 on:** March 19, 2007, 11:39:53 AM »

It seems like Smash Brother has adopted the Hermit Crabbing habit.

(Seriously though, I've never read Christie but I've seen them staged, and they're great)

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #45 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:29:12 PM »

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District? Is that some public school thing? I was home schooled and we had no television, so I read a lot on my own. I've read the entire works of Poe, but it's been awhile, I don't remember literal demons.

District is public school yes, and as for the story, I'm sorry but I can't remember and I can't find my copy of the book anymore.

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Originally posted by: Strell I have no clue if Christie copied or not, and like you said, Shakespeare did largely the same thing.

I'm just not taking that into consideration. I said one clear thing - Piorot kicks ass, and he does.

If AC is some shameless schmuck who got all the attention despite some plagiarism, well ok. I'm not discussing that at all.

Fair enough.

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Overly Religious school districts won't allow Harry Potter in their schools... guess Harry Potter is teh mature?

No, and you answered your own question.

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I wasn't arguing about her skills as a writer, my dear child(I'm not even a Christie fan). And I'll give respect to Sir Doyle, but I don't know why I have to as I never soiled his name in the first place. I'd assumed you were the one to insult him, if by only saying that no one reads books anymore. And with that, you show your idiocy. I merely wanted to point this idiocy out to your peers. I have a feeling they already know, however.

Did you read the part where I said that was a joke aimed at ruffling some feathers? Clearly, you were too busy having your feathers ruffled to notice.

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It seems like Smash Brother has adopted the Hermit Crabbing habit.

Wrong side of the argument. I'd need to be defending an obscure author whom no one has heard of and personally insulting everyone who thinks they're anything short of awesome.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #46 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:35:09 PM »

Oh yeah? I heard your mom was sick. Dane Cook joke

KDR_11k · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:24:35 PM »

Revive the adventure genre? It's a freaking port of a PC game!

Anyone here would be quick to point out that it was Mario 64 that pioneered the concept.

There were 3d jump and runs before Mario 64, M64 was just the first one to "do it right" by using the analog stick. So Mario 64 is the Agatha Christie of 3d jump and runs.

Who here *didn't* read anything by both Poe and Sir Doyle in school?

We had one short story by Poe (The Treacherous Heart) and that's about it. Also was he the one that wrote the horrible, horrible short story "The Duc d'Omelette" and generally had a penchant for writing every third word in French?

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #48 on:** March 19, 2007, 08:34:43 PM »

Yeah, that comment made sense when I made it.

Kairon · « **Reply #49 on:** March 20, 2007, 04:54:01 AM »

My HS didn't have me read Poe or Doyle... we had practically an entire semester devoted to Faulkner though! ... and we had to suffer through some Henry James... UGH!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
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Author Topic: Agatha Christie you haters! (Read 20202 times)