Topic: Nights is being revived on Wii

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Not to mention the fact that Nintendo consoles have proven time and again that they are the ideal home of any mascot-like character, hence why TJ&E3 going to the xbox was such an utterly retarded idea. Had it gone to the GC, I'm sure we'd be seeing a Wii sequel in the works.

And Crazy Taxi, and Shenmue, and Panzer Dragoon, and Jet Set Radio and other series that went to die on the XBOX.

[Smash_Brother]

Yup.

That was the beginning of the end for Sega.

[SixthAngel]

I am going to guess that ms payed quite a bit of money for all that sega support.  Bad move in the long run for sega when you hurt potentially strong franchises to make a quick buck.

[Smash_Brother]

Yeah, far too many franchises died on the xbox and didn't even bolster the system's sales very much.

That was a classic example of how moneyhats can destroy a company.

Imagine what would have happened if they had moneyhatted Sonic onto the xbox. The FPS/M-game crowd would have completely ignored his games and the franchise would probably be dead and gone now.

[Infernal Monkey]

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Not to mention the fact that Nintendo consoles have proven time and again that they are the ideal home of any mascot-like character, hence why TJ&E3 going to the xbox was such an utterly retarded idea. Had it gone to the GC, I'm sure we'd be seeing a Wii sequel in the works.

Thank goodness it went to Xbox then, because TJ&E III was horrible. The kind of horrible that makes you wish the series would never continue on from that point, because of the sheer amount of horrible. Like what Bubsy 3D did, or Earthworm Jim 3D. But I guess this is Sega, Sonic Adventure 2 sure as hell didn't stop them from going in dry over and over again despite the cries of pain from the fanbase.

[Kairon]

Dear Sega,

Please revive your franchises on the Wii: Panzer Dragoon, Space Channel 5, Seaman, and especially Jet Grind Radio.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[SixthAngel]

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Originally posted by: Adrock
Also, including the original NiGHTS is kind of the obvious choice. As soon as the sequel was made official, I expected it. If it's not included, that's friggin' lame.

Why?  Was it lame when Zelda: tp didn't have Ocarina of Time and will it be lame when Mario Galaxy doesn't have Mario 64?  No.
I am personally hoping for Saturn vc games.  There are some very good emulators out now but unfortunately my computer doesn't run it at full speed all the time because it is old.  Sega did buy the rights to one of the saturn emulators a while back for a digital download service.  If they could get it to work on the Wii I would love it.

Jet Grind radio would be perfect.  The pointer would make the painting aspect awesome and it would even let you create your own graffiti, maybe even use jpegs from an sd card or use the ds to make graffiti.

[Nick DiMola]

It would be great if NiGHTS is the first of many Wii revivals of great Sega franchises. It is sad to see so many great series die on the other systems. I wouldn't mind Ecco, Shenmue and Panzer Dragoon sequels for the Wii. The previous iterations of all 3 were phenomenal and I'm sure they would be right at home on the Wii.

[Kairon]

I can SOOO see holding the wiimote like a spraycan!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Adrock]

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Smash_Brother wrote:
Nothing would have made it stand out on the 360 (except for the fact that it stars a jester-like character which would have turned off most of the 360 owners immediately). It would have just been using an analogue stick and thus would be similar to a number of other games (most of which also sold poorly).

Yeah, but that wouldn't make it a bad game. I like that Journey into Dreams is taking advantage of motion controls, but if it didn't, I think NiGHTS fans would still be happy getting a sequel and Nintendo fans would still be happy getting an exclusive for Wii.

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SixthAngel wrote:
Why? Was it lame when Zelda: tp didn't have Ocarina of Time and will it be lame when Mario Galaxy doesn't have Mario 64?
No.

Zelda and Mario aren't cult titles that are 11 years between releases so I don't think it's quite the same. Those are established franchises. They'll likely sell on their own merits. The same can't be said for something like NiGHTS.

Consider Dracula X Chronicles. It doesn't necessarily need Symphony of the Night and/or the original Rondo of Blood, but including them definitely makes the game more appealing. Some people might even buy it just for SotN. Whatever Sega can do to support Journey into Dreams, they should do. Even Nintendo had that Ocarina of Time pre-order bonus for Wind Waker which helped boost sales. I don't recall them doing that for many other games.

I'd appreciate the value of getting two games in one, but more importantly, including the original NiGHTS and advertising it as much could garner more interest in the title.

[Smash_Brother]

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Originally posted by: Adrock
Yeah, but that wouldn't make it a bad game. I like that Journey into Dreams is taking advantage of motion controls, but if it didn't, I think NiGHTS fans would still be happy getting a sequel and Nintendo fans would still be happy getting an exclusive for Wii.

To be honest, I'd have to play the original to make a judgment call on this so I can't comment further.

[NWR_pap64]

For everyone's information, the original NiGHTS came bundled with a "3D controller" (a revamped Saturn controller with a joystick) because the game required the movement to happen in 3D. So the game could've worked on the XBOX 360. But like SB said, the game would've been ignored by the fans and the media, like it happened on the XBOX 1 days.

[Adrock]

Do you always reiterate what Smash_Brother says? You're like his sidekick.

And he also said:

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NiGHTS would have been crap on the 360 but with the Wii controls, it has a chance to be something new and innovative.

...suggesting that it would've been a bad game on 360 without even playing the original. I don't deny that it would have sold poorly on 360, but to say it would've been "crap" is a bit misguided. Motion controls don't necessarily make a game better (Twilight Princess is about the same on Gamecube albeit with easier aiming). They can, but a good game is a good game, traditional controls or otherwise. I'm not convince that a game can't be new and innovative without traditional controls.

[NWR_pap64]

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Originally posted by: Adrock
Do you always reiterate what Smash_Brother says? You're like his sidekick.

Its a curse I have to bear with till the end of my days. I wouldn't call it reiterate since that last post was informing EVERYONE, SB included, about the 3D control that came with the original game, saying that it could've worked on the 360 with joystick controls.

I agree with him in that the XBOX community would've ignored it in favor of other games, since that's exactly what happened on the original XBOX.

EDIT: Also, remember that they shoe horned the Wii controls onto the Wii version of TP. NiGHTS Wii, though, is going to be a new game created solely on the Wii. In other words, NiGHTS Wii isn't an already developed game with Waggle controls thrown it. The controls will be present since day one and will likely base new ideas around it.

[Smash_Brother]

When I said, "crap" I initially meant that it would have sold like and been regarded as crap. Like you said, Ad, the Wii owners will embrace it whereas 360 owners would have passed it over for the next generic FPS.

But I also mean that, since the original boasted a new controller, I don't know if the sequel would have packed the same punch since it wouldn't be a new control scheme. However, until I play the original and gauge how much the game relied on the newness of the controller, then I can't really say anymore on it.

[the1st_fret]

What? So Spong isn't a reliable source? Ok didn't know they had a rep or anything. I found that link looking for info on Prope anyway. But everyone seems to be saying the same thing no matter where you hear it. Prope aren't making it.

Now Sega have a chance to kick ass again here (if they want it) they can bring back their best loved mascots onto Wii where they are most likely to be appreciated, instead of coming up with lame ideas to fit in with 360 markets that just turn out lame. SEGA sort of turned their backs on who they were after Dreamcast. Its like

"we were only making games for our own systems before, but now they're for other systems they can't be SEGA style?"

Everyone wanted Sega's titles after Dreamcast, coz Sega were good at making games, but they just went really conventional to suit the systems reputations, rather than making the sort of games they were good at.

I think SEGA should only make games for Nintendo, they'd make way more money that way, they can go back to making good games and Nintendo get the awesome exclusives.

[cubist]

I haven't read anyone else's comments on this because I kind of scanned through the last couple of pages...AND maybe it was an April Fool's Joke, but I did a double-take to this game when I read the update that mentioned the use of the Forecast Channel and Wii Connect 24.  

The forecast channel will be used!!!

Are you kidding me!?!

If SEGA and Sonic Team can use the Forecast Channel to change the environments in Nights...we can begin to imagine the possibility of the Everybody Votes Channel.

Once again...FORECAST CHANNEL!!!  Who would've thought?!?

[the1st_fret]

Yeah, after all, the original NiGHTS and Christmas NiGHTS used the clock for special features in the game.

Funnily enough, on April fools day you could play as Reala (in christmas NiGHTs that is)

I'll be very glad if they do make use of the weather channel. The weather in Xmas NiGHTs operated on the clock, Spring/Summer the weather was just like NiD, but around November the game switched to 'Winter NiGHTs' The stage became snowy, and when December hit, the stage was full of Christmas decorations

Why bother watching the news for the weather when you could just play NiGHTS 2 Because if you're playing NiGHTS 2 you'll be too busy to look out of the window!

I'd like to see just as much use of the clock as in NiGHTS 2. What about unlockable presents too again like in NiGHTS.

NiGHTS was an awesome game but xmas NiGHTS was so much better for interaction and making use of the Saturn's features.

I want to see more games use Wiiconnect24, not just NiGHTS. You come back to your Wii to find NiGHTS has picked up a new stunt or extra/alternate Mare routes.

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
What? So Spong isn't a reliable source? Ok didn't know they had a rep or anything.

Quote of the year.

[the1st_fret]

Seriously, I didn't know Spong had a bad rep. Again, I don't use them, and hadn't heard of them til NiGHTS 2 where I saw they'd said a NiGHTS sequel was confirmed. It just came up in a Prope search.

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: the1st_fret
Seriously, I didn't know Spong had a bad rep.

View this thread for further reading.

[Ceric]

Sega's actually was good about doing things around the seasons, holiday, and like with PSO as well.  I wish Nintendo take a hint and do that with the Shopping Channel.  I still can't believe their wasn't a Toy Day theme or Valentines.

[the1st_fret]

Like in Sonic Adventure you could download patches for Station Square. And have either Halloweeen decorations or Christmas Decorations, saved to your VMU. Will NiGHTS be the 1st game to make full use of Wiiconnect24?

I think the 2 player mode in NiGHTS was... ok, but I never played it, even when I had people to play it with we just stuck to taking turns on 1 player. I'd like to see more 2 player modes. And it would be even better if you could play 2 player online. Even if it was the same Paraloop battle, it would be good if other players could spectate matches and get in line to play with winner. Like in Tournaments in Quake III.

How about if NiGHTS were to make use of the Clock like in the Saturn version, the game could transcend from day to NiGHT, following your clock settings.

Can't wait til friday when the next ONM is out.


EDIT: Just got the new ONM today. I was quite disappointed with the NiGHTS coverage. In fact there's more info available on the internet. So much for their 'World Exclusive'

The one bit of new info they did have is that there will be 2 control methods. One where you can use the Nunchuck to simulate the classic controls of the Saturn, or with the Wiimote alone for a full flying experience.

Just letting you know.

[NWR_pap64]

BUMP!

Now that we have clear, OFFICIAL shots of the game, does the game suck graphically or what?

In my opinion, they definitely look better than the magazine scans, but the Nights model is not perfect. I spotted some jaggies here and there.

[JoeTrumpet]

I'm not so worried about the models as I am the lack of colorful vibrancy from the original. It seems a lot more bland (basically more 3D Sonic-esque and less Mario-esque). I really liked the cheerful, bright colors of the original and I hope that's something they bring back, lest we find ourselves with http://www.2pstart.com/2007/04/04/we-wouldnt-be-surprised/ . Right now it's looking like NiGHTS gameplay without the heart Sonic Team seemed to lose a few years back.