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« Reply #250 on: April 24, 2007, 02:48:57 PM »
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« Reply #251 on: April 24, 2007, 06:54:02 PM »
Yeah, they really need to work on the model.. the shots are inconsistent, though. Some are nice but some are really bland.
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« Reply #252 on: April 24, 2007, 07:34:41 PM »
I think I need to see it in motion before I can judge graphics, it has its rough edges but any gameplay screenshot that its not photoshopped has jaggies.

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« Reply #253 on: April 24, 2007, 08:04:40 PM »
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« Reply #254 on: April 24, 2007, 08:34:30 PM »
Something tells me a Nights game was originally planned for the Dreamcast and they are using the character models and resources from that project. I can't see why else the model would be so low pollywog.

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« Reply #255 on: April 25, 2007, 03:03:04 AM »
First thing first.  Those first two screens look muddled and NiGHT(? Main Character) looks lifeless.  Mainly because his whole body is in a position in the screens to be going a certian way but his dominating eyes or justlooking forward like he's some sort of doll.

I would like to see some sharping of the graphics.  Dynamic eye movement when NiGHT is flying towards you and you see the front of him, mainly because its such a dominating feature.
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« Reply #256 on: April 25, 2007, 04:17:59 AM »
Well, for the most part I stand by what I said pages ago. I'll take back the Dreamcast comment - the game doesn't look THAT bad with these clearer screens. But I too spot those jaggies, and most of the textures are... well, nothing to write home about (most of them I will say look like they were pulled straight from a Dreamcast project and only slightly upgraded).

On the plus side the environments look huge, so that could make up for it. But I think it's fairly obvious at this point that the game isn't going to showcase the Wii, graphically. I still hold out for gameplay, though. I never played the original NiGHTS, but the youtube videos I watched seemed pretty interesting.

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« Reply #257 on: April 25, 2007, 05:35:01 AM »
I think this is going to be like Super Mario Sunshine in that it's not going to be a graphical wonder close-up, but the point is to feature large-scale worlds rather than picture-perfect corridors.  The graphics look about average GameCube quality to me, which is all I expect from Wii.  I actually like the "muted" colour schemes because they make the main character and the special effects stand out more.

How come Mario Galaxy looks so much better?  I think the secret is that Mario Galaxy uses outer space to...er...space everything out, so you don't have as many long-distance details to try to display.  Pure speculation, though.
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« Reply #258 on: April 25, 2007, 06:58:10 AM »
If you think about how NiGHTS is played then there really should be no concern over graphics.  You are seriously never that close to the character.

I think we are all still stuck in this screenshot = graphics mindset that I'll admit is hard to break out of, especially on the internet and double especially in this so-called HD-era.  The game hasn't been seen in motion, which is far more important. (especially if it is running at 60fps, then the graphics would actually be quite impressive.)  I learned this in the year 1997 when I saw screenshots of F-Zero X.  I thought the game looked ugly as hell and was severely disappointed.



I mean COME ON.  The game-pundits of the time went all over it, saying it looked worse than wipeout XL



and a clever one was actually able to use this as a reason to say the PS1 was more powerful than the N64 (You'd be surprised how often this gets said, even today.  Market Leadership is the best steroid)

But then I saw it in video and was duly impressed by the 60 fps framerate.  While not as detailed, getting it to run at 60 fps is no easy feat.  In motion this game shat all over Wipeout, leaving a charred husk.

A more recent example would be Mario Hoops on the DS.  The Screenshots were quite assy, but the final product is absolutely gorgeous (particularly the airship court), looking better than a great deal of PSP games, IMO.

And here is the crux of the matter.  I just said IMO.  Graphics are becoming ever more subjective to the end user, and you will never know exactly what everybody feels about graphics.  I showed Nights, Dewy, and Gears of War to a buddy of mine here at college and asked him which one looked better.  He said, in order, Dewy, Nights, and Gears of War.  I didn't expect him to rank Gears of War last, so I asked him why.  He told me he thought Nights and Dewy had more going on the screen and more colors.  So then I asked "But how can you possibly think Nights looks better than Gears of War?  Gears of War has X many polygons and effects and-"  He interrupted me by saying "You didn't ask me which game had more effects.  You asked me which one looks better."

Graphical advantage doesn't matter in the long run.  You can throw any screenshot at me, proving the graphical superiority of X product, which means X product will beat Y Product, and I can dig up several N64 screens where 3-D was being pioneered vs. PS1 games that dared to be 2-D in a 3-D age.  Or the N64-ish launch titles for the PS2. (Madden in particular)  It just does not matter as much as it used to, and even THEN it didn't matter much.

P.S.  Pittbboi, stop looking for a "showcase" for Wii.  If you really want graphics that badly, the 360 is that way.  Have fun.  Seriously, you will only be disappointed, which is fine, I don't care, but then you spread out your grief to the forum, which I don't like very much at all.  Let go of graphics.  You will be a lot happier, but more importantly, I will be a lot happier.
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« Reply #259 on: April 25, 2007, 07:09:15 AM »
You definitely have a point about internet screenshots. I still wish the character model was more detailed.

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« Reply #260 on: April 25, 2007, 08:54:48 AM »
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P.S. Pittbboi, stop looking for a "showcase" for Wii. If you really want graphics that badly, the 360 is that way. Have fun. Seriously, you will only be disappointed, which is fine, I don't care, but then you spread out your grief to the forum, which I don't like very much at all. Let go of graphics. You will be a lot happier, but more importantly, I will be a lot happier.


I'm beginning to think you have some sort of personal vendetta with me or something. You act as though I'm the only person to speak ill of the graphics in NiGHTS in light of these new screens. If you look, I'm but one of many comments on this page, and I'm definitely not the first.

And I really don't get your point. When I say NiGHTS doesn't look like it's going to graphically showcase the Wii, I'm not speaking about it lacking Xbox360/PS3 quality graphics. I'm merely saying that it doesn't look as though its going to "showcase" what we know the Wii can do. I don't care what the 360 is capable of, nor do I own one;  I just want to see more games taking every advantage of the Wii, and not just its controls. Sonic and the Secret Rings was a great start and definitely "showcased" the Wii's potential graphically, so I'm not going to hide my disappointment with how NiGHTS looks (though I realize both games are coming from two different teams). Heck, I even complimented the game and said the environments look redeemingly huge and I'm definitely looking forward to the gameplay, so I wouldn't call it spreading my "grief", especially in a case where my grief is apparently shared. So I'll hang on to my Wii for the moment, thank you very much.  

And--ironically--I agree with just about everything else you had to say in that post. Games do look different in motion, and if the environments in NiGHTS are huge, the game runs 60 fps, and the gameplay is spectacular I'll be more than forgiving of any graphical shortcomings. Screen shots don't reveal everything there is to know about a game, and based on them you shouldn't make any sweeping judgments. However, the screens shots are really all there is to discuss right now, and I was merely stating what impressions I got from them, which were specifically limited to graphics. I didn't use the screen shots to say the game would suck, just that it might not look very good...which is really all we can know at this point.

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« Reply #261 on: April 25, 2007, 09:39:31 AM »
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Sonic and the Secret Rings was a great start and definitely "showcased" the Wii's potential graphically, so I'm not going to hide my disappointment with how NiGHTS looks
Remember, NiGHTS is still pretty early in development.  Compare and contrast early Sonic screenshots with shots from the final version.  It's a world of difference.

There's still plenty of time to make graphical improvements.  Look at these shots for art direction only--anything else probably isn't going to be representative of the final product.
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« Reply #262 on: April 25, 2007, 10:45:27 AM »
I'm with Pittiboi. I don't understand when people say, "If you want graphics, get a 360." That's not a counterpoint. I have a 360 (or rather, I bought one for my brother, but it's essentially mine too), but I didn't get it for HD graphics. Besides it being a birthday present, I got 360 because it had games I couldn't get anywhere else.

I'm in the middle of God of War II. The game is goddamn gorgeous and not just for a PS2 game. That said, there's no reason games on Wii,  a system like 3 times as powerful, should not look significantly better. Is it asking too much of developers to put more effort into their games? Although I still believe that Wii should have been a more powerful system, it is more than capable of delivering nice looking games. I think it's more than fair to expect developers to take advantage of all the Wii has to offer, which includes more powerful hardware than last generation.

No, graphics aren't everything, but they're still important.  And while NiGHTS doesn't look terrible, it doesn't look like its pushing Wii very hard. Graphically, it looks like it could be done on Gamecube pretty easily.

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« Reply #263 on: April 25, 2007, 11:35:35 AM »
It's hard to defend developers when Rogue Leader came out for the GC launch... and when the GBA is capable of 3D.

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« Reply #264 on: April 25, 2007, 11:53:27 AM »
Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much.  There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.

The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader.  Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though.  It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.  

So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.  
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« Reply #265 on: April 25, 2007, 12:05:42 PM »
Any devs out there who want to become the next Rare or Factor 5? The Wii needs you!

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« Reply #266 on: April 25, 2007, 12:16:45 PM »
i just noticed something about NiGHTS, our hero is crosseyed. yup, NiGHTS is crosseyed.  

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« Reply #267 on: April 25, 2007, 01:26:22 PM »
It's just the way you post around here, Pittbboi.  You sometimes come off as one of those guys that hang around GAF, and they make me sick.  Also, there is a new breed of troll bouncing up on the internet.  The definition is relatively new, but it's as old as the hills.  They are called "concern trolls" typically because they employ their favorite word "concern" as a means to employ boneheaded statements  You know like, "I am concerned that the Wii is getting nothing but party games."  You've done similar things.  And my guess was that you are one of those guys unhappy with Wii because of graphics, and thought you would be happier with a 360.  99% I'm right.  1% is when I guess Pittbboi was one.  So sorry, but you definitely come off like that too occasionally.  

Now I'm not about impugn you "Nintendo fandom" or whatever, and maybe you honestly do think they look like Dreamcast graphics, and when looking at these NiGHTS screens and then looking at your tiny Soul Calibur Screens, and then disregarding the different game types and hitting myself in the head with a brick, maybe they do look like Dreamcast graphics to the remaining blood vessels in my eye.  But perhaps we should wait until we see more or maybe see the game in motion before we make bold claims like that.  Just because it is all we have to discuss does not mean we have to make quick judgements about the end result.

And no I don't have a vendetta against you, but you do show up as a "person of interest" in the several PMs I get about trouble in the forums from your fellow forumers.  Perhaps your issue is with them and not with me.  Hopefully we can all get along from here, and I'll be pleased and my wrath will be stayed.
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« Reply #268 on: April 25, 2007, 02:23:04 PM »
Bah. Forumgoers. Ignore them Dequello. How many people riled against IanSane? How many of us think you have an advertising contract with hate-orade?

And seriously, we're all human, we ALL make bad arguments or state unpopular things and defend them vigorously, but some people are just more natural lightning rods. People like Pittboi and IanSane make cogent and thought-out observations and arguments just like I expect any NWR forumgoer to do... they're just not as likely to be right! (&P)

To this day, I value IanSane's opinion HIGHLY and sometime's he's right on the money. I have the same opinion of Pittboi... and we should be careful of a mob mentality and a majority attacking a minority: groupthink is a dangerous trap.

That being said...

C'mon guys. I think the developers already stated that they're not at the point where they tighten up the graphics yet. It's almost as if they're prototyping a lot of stuff now before polishing it up.

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« Reply #269 on: April 25, 2007, 02:39:52 PM »
I don't mean to drag this out or anything, but I have to say that I'm rather sick of people always giving Pit a hard time for no reason.  It just bothers me for people to be blasted just for giving their opinion.
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« Reply #270 on: April 25, 2007, 03:19:03 PM »
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I don't mean to drag this out or anything, but I have to say that I'm rather sick of people always giving Pit a hard time for no reason.


He finally got his big break when they put him in Brawl.

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« Reply #271 on: April 25, 2007, 03:36:40 PM »
I don't mean to drag this out, either...but I was at work for most of the day and couldn't comment.
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 It's just the way you post around here, Pittbboi. You sometimes come off as one of those guys that hang around GAF, and they make me sick. Also, there is a new breed of troll bouncing up on the internet. The definition is relatively new, but it's as old as the hills. They are called "concern trolls" typically because they employ their favorite word "concern" as a means to employ boneheaded statements You know like, "I am concerned that the Wii is getting nothing but party games." You've done similar things. And my guess was that you are one of those guys unhappy with Wii because of graphics, and thought you would be happier with a 360. 99% I'm right. 1% is when I guess Pittbboi was one. So sorry, but you definitely come off like that too occasionally.


1) I don't know what "GAF" is.

2) I've been trying to be positive (well, not trying, there just hasn't been very much negative for me to say for a while)!! Honestly, this is the first negative thing I've had to say about anything Wii related in weeks! Included the two threads I started in that time.

3) Honestly, am I unhappy with the Wii, graphically? I'm not going to lie, currently yes I am. But I'm not disappointed with the Wii's graphics as they stand against the 360 or PS3. If that were the case I wouldn't have gone through hell to get one. Yes, It's true, I'm a graphics whore, BUT I'm not a cross-platform one. I don't give a crap how pretty things look on the PS3 or 360 (though I most likely will end up buying one or the other for some of the games if they appeal to me strongly). I don't own those consoles; I made an informed decision to buy a Wii. Believe it or not, I'm a Nintendo fan first, a Wii owner second, a gameplay queen third, and a graphics whore fourth. And while graphics fall last for what's important to me in a game, they nevertheless are important to me and I personally can't wait for the day we start to see a higher frequency of beautiful "Wii games" released. I don't care if they don't look like Gears of War. Perception is all that matters. Even if the game doesn't compare visually to what is offered on other systems, if I know that the game is beautiful in its own style AND for what the Wii can do, I'll be just as satisfied.  
 

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« Reply #272 on: April 25, 2007, 03:41:26 PM »
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Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much.  There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.

The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader.  Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though.  It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.  

So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.


lol. Capcom.  No offence I don't think of them as people who push the technology because they can.  They push where they need to.  Hence the Megaman Series and like.
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« Reply #273 on: April 25, 2007, 06:31:39 PM »
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1) I don't know what "GAF" is.


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« Reply #274 on: April 26, 2007, 04:58:12 AM »
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Kairon: Your first point is very well made, but the second one not so much.  There's no comparison between Nights and that GBA stuff.

The game does look unimpressive next to Rogue Leader.  Factor 5 is really into optimizing, though.  It will take a developer like Square or Capcom to really show off Wii - Sega has made a few beautiful games, but most of the time it aims for middle of the road.  

So far I'd say that RE Umbrella Chronicles and Metroid Prime 3 are both looking like good "showcase" games for Wii, for what that's worth.


lol. Capcom.  No offence I don't think of them as people who push the technology because they can.  They push where they need to.  Hence the Megaman Series and like.


Capcom is guilty of laziness on it's million or so spinoffs and sequels, but as you say, it pushes when it needs to.  Resident Evil 4, Lost Planet, Devil May Cry...the company does push the graphical limits on its big games.
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