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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2007, 06:24:28 PM »
Yeah, that's my stance too. But I take it a step further. I don't care about release dates... even official ones! I always assume that games get 2 delays at least... if they come out at all.

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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2007, 11:00:36 PM »
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He's full of sh*t.

He's always been full of sh*t.


QFT. This is nothing new. I'll wait for someone with credibility to get his hands on these "games" and see what they have to say.


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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2007, 02:35:39 AM »
So I guess Namco is making a Zelda Fighter that only uses the Classic Controller.

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2007, 05:55:45 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2007, 06:48:01 AM »
Personally, I'm quite happy to hear that he's seen something to be excited about that hasn't been announced.

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2007, 09:11:29 AM »
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Rise of the Robots 2 is in development. I just know it!
more like Rise of the Robots 3, as 2 has been released already


Ah but that was the PC version, this new game is going to be a port for consoles.
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2007, 01:00:44 PM »
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.


He's not "calling" them, though. Calling them is to predict their production, like I did with Mario DDR immediately following the release of Twin Snakes on the GC.

In Matt's case, he has talked to people at Nintendo who told him this crap but he's signed a NDA which says he can't say anything until a certain date.

This is basically his way of saying "I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!"

EDIT: Oh, that was sarcasm...

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I don't gtet all this. You guys must hate Matt or something.

He's saying GOOD things about Nintendo!!! ... isn't that enough of a reversal from 2 years ago to be a cause of celebration?


I'd still see it fit to rag on the bastard for being a fair-weather friend to Nintendo for all those years and only really coming back to their camp now that they're successful.
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2007, 01:51:14 PM »
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Hey, he did call DK Bongo Blast and Kirby for the Wii...even though the hints were dropped months before he even mentioned them. Same with Wii Music and Wii health.


He's not "calling" them, though. Calling them is to predict their production, like I did with Mario DDR immediately following the release of Twin Snakes on the GC.

In Matt's case, he has talked to people at Nintendo who told him this crap but he's signed a NDA which says he can't say anything until a certain date.

This is basically his way of saying "I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!"

EDIT: Oh, that was sarcasm...


Yes it was...

Seriously, I thought the "even though the hints were dropped before he even mentioned them" would give it away... :\
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2007, 02:36:44 PM »
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I don't gtet all this. You guys must hate Matt or something.

He's saying GOOD things about Nintendo!!! ... isn't that enough of a reversal from 2 years ago to be a cause of celebration?


I'd still see it fit to rag on the bastard for being a fair-weather friend to Nintendo for all those years and only really coming back to their camp now that they're successful.


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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2007, 02:40:46 PM »
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Well since Nintendo's dominating Japan, I'm expecting huge support from all the Japanese third parties.  Well at least the smart ones.


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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2007, 03:55:27 PM »
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Originally posted by: Kairon He's not a fair-weather friend. He's the prodigal son.


That's giving him more credit than he deserves.

Frankly, if every job at IGN which is oriented around a particular console is going to be held by a militant fanboy for that console, they should at least have someone manning the Nintendo branch who actually, you know, is loyal to Nintendo and doesn't take every chance he gets to talk about how much better a competitor's system is in comparison.

Matt was all too happy to bash the hell out of Nintendo when they were down but is only now coming around when it's clear that they're going to be the industry leader again.

He's a fair-weather friend.
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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2007, 06:00:46 PM »
So you're bashing Matt because... he's not a fanboy?
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2007, 06:59:08 PM »
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So you're bashing Matt because... he's not a fanboy?


Naturally.

And the notion of him as a fairweather friend is kind of silly. He was a huge supported of a lot of stuff during the Cube era (his praise of Metroid Prime never ends). He was, however, critical of a lot of stuff. Was he wrong? Maybe. But clearly Nintendo made mistakes. It only makes sense he'd be less critical as they do better. Doing better often means you are doing less wrong.

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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2007, 02:25:07 AM »
Matt complains when Nintendo is screwing up.  Nintendo isn't screwing up right now, so there's nothing for him to complain about.  Personally, I prefer it to the eternally glowing praise the other channels give, even in the face of terrible problems like the PS3 is facing right now.

As for these games...yes, these things DO have a way of backfiring on IGN's Nintendo channel (GameCube Castlevania, LOL in peace)  so I'm just going to pretend he never said anything.  But I think he's going to be proven right no matter what, because any launch year is going to be full of interesting announcements, and this launch year in particular has already had a couple of doozies like Manhunt 2.
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2007, 04:10:38 AM »
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Seriously, I thought the "even though the hints were dropped before he even mentioned them" would give it away... :\

I got it.  If it's true that he tried to pass that off as some kind of scoop, then that definitely costs him some respect in my eyes.  I never visit IGN anymore unless someone links to something interesting, so I'm sure I've missed a lot, but I've found that even when I disagree with Matt, he behaves like a rational human being.  I can use what I know about him to filter his words.  The rest of IGN is monkeys with typewriters.  Maybe some of that can't help but rub off on him.  Regardless, even Miss Cleo could predict that some cool, unannounced stuff is coming to the Wii right now.

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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2007, 04:46:43 AM »
Double post...
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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2007, 04:47:33 AM »
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So you're bashing Matt because... he's not a fanboy?


No, because he lacked the spine to defend Nintendo until Nintendo was winning again.

Nintendo's problems last gen stemmed entirely from the fact that they were trying to play the same game as Sony and MS, only they had fewer resources to push around which meant less advertising, less money hats thrown at developers and fewer overall sales. In the last years of the GC's life, they gave up because they were going to be third no matter what and as such they focused their efforts on the next console (the Wii) and the DS. I don't blame them for it because doing so was abandoning a sinking ship.

This gen, they realized that they can't let their image be tainted by other console makers and they can't produce a console without doing SOMETHING which makes them stand out from the other consoles on the market, and they did so with flying colors.

In IGN's case, their other editors are like rabid fanboys for their consoles, often bashing opposing consoles and games they haven't even played. Matt kinda stands out in the fact that he's more level-headed about the console wars, but it's not asking too much to have an editor for Nintendo who won't sing the praises of his PSP and 360 and will only stop when Nintendo's respective consoles are outselling them.  
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2007, 04:59:44 AM »
I cannot believe you actually want him to do what he doesn't believe just so he's positive. It has nothing to do with spine. He likes video games and Nintendo just happens to be his favorite console and game maker. He has always balanced positive and negative criticisms. He's not a fanboy and he is honest. Just read the other IGN channels and tell me we're not better off. Because if you'd rather that then I'm just glad people like you don't make such decisions.

Matt can't win. People love him when he does something they agree with and hate him when he doesn't. Some are even jealous of him. In the end we're just lucky to know that, unlike almost every video game site out there, when he says something he actually means it.

"In IGN's case, their other editors are like rabid fanboys for their consoles, often bashing opposing consoles and games they haven't even played. Matt kinda stands out in the fact that he's more level-headed about the console wars, but it's not asking too much to have an editor for Nintendo who won't sing the praises of his PSP and 360 and will only stop when Nintendo's respective consoles are outselling them. "

Yes it is asking too much. Absolutely is. He admitted he was wrong about the PSP. He wasn't' the handheld editor so he wasn't bashing his system. He supported the Wii BIG TIME form very early on and was singing its praises almost as early as any writer on the web was. He did not change his position on the Wii after it sold well. That's a lie. Lie. Lie. Lie. He was behind it the whole way.

This whole thing is just childish.

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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2007, 05:08:46 AM »
OK, its clear that Nintendo has a hit with the Wii and that it won the hearts and wallets of many fans.

But let's play pretend for a bit. Imagine that even though the Wii is an amazing system with great games, it flops. BIG TIME. Would Matt ask WHY the system sold so poorly when its has more than enough charm to attract people or would he blame it on Nintendo and say stuff like "Nintendo is clearly overstaying their welcome" and "they truly don't know how to do things"?
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2007, 05:15:04 AM »
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I cannot believe you actually want him to do what he doesn't believe just so he's positive. It has nothing to do with spine. He likes video games and Nintendo just happens to be his favorite console and game maker.


I stopped reading there.

I don't believe that's the case. Matt has just spent far too much time lauding other console makers and their games to the point where I wasn't sure which company he was supposed to be the editor for anymore. The other IGN editors don't do that. We may be able to identify their actions as blind, insecure fanboyism, but at least they're not afraid to say good things about their respective consoles in the face of adversity which in turn will make their readers feel more inclined to try the console.

The point is, the GC probably wouldn't have done so poorly if the media didn't spend so much time crapping on it for not being everything that other consoles were, and that goes double for members of the media who are supposed to support their respective consoles. If Matt had spent more time defending the GC and less time talking about how much more enjoyable Halo was, maybe the console would have done a bit better.

What do you think readers who are on the fence about their console decision are going to think when even the guy who is supposed to be supporting the GC is ragging on it and talking about other consoles and how much better they are?

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Originally posted by: pap64 Would Matt ask WHY the system sold so poorly when its has more than enough charm to attract people or would he blame it on Nintendo and say stuff like "Nintendo is clearly overstaying their welcome" and "they truly don't know how to do things"?


He'd be blasting Nintendo to hell, loosing his bladder all over them.

In fact, wasn't he doing that when the Wii remote was first announced? I admit I don't care to keep track of this guy, but back when I was still at IGN during the GC days, I remember quite clearly that he would usually respond to people's questions in the mailbag thread with mostly anti-Nintendo rhetoric. If I didn't know better, I'd think the bastard was being paid by MS to promote the Xbox (technically, I don't know better).

My point is, if he's going to sh*t all over Nintendo for five years, then he forfeits his right to come back and pretend that he knew they'd pull it off the whole time.

I acknowledge Nintendo's mistakes too, and for the most part, I didn't blame them for not realizing that they'd never be able to win by playing the same game as Sony and MS.

But when I first saw the Wiimote, I KNEW Nintendo was onto something. When I first saw the DS, I wanted one, and I immediately saw the potential the system had. I'm not sure about the Wiimote, but I KNOW he ragged on the DS and HARD, of course talking about how much better of a system the PSP was. It wasn't until the DS was trouncing the PSP in the market that he changed his tune.

If the guy is going to turn his back on Nintendo when they're down but going to cheer them on when they're up, then he is a textbook example of a Fair-Weather Friend and I have nothing but contempt for anyone like him who only stands by their convictions when popular opinion dictates that it's "safe" to do so.
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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2007, 05:18:25 AM »
On balance the statement is neither here nor there really...

Any game player coulda worked out there'll be quite a number of games in the works.. even gamecube had games that no one knew about.. the question is would they make light off day and also the quantity so far... I'm not really worried.. 5 million wiis sold so far suggest there will be more games on this unit than the cube and that my fellow wiiers is a positive.. Period!........  
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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2007, 05:47:13 AM »
"No, because he lacked the spine to defend Nintendo until Nintendo was winning again."

He should only defend Nintendo when it makes sense to.  Sometimes they dig their own grave and don't deserve to be defended.  He did defend Nintendo a lot more during the N64 days as their problems seemed to be based more on one really key mistake that handcuffed them for the rest of the generation regardless of any good or bad things they did along the way.  On the Cube Nintendo was much more frequent in their screwups.  They had a weak image from the previous generation and had to be prove to their critics that their last gen was a fluke.  But instead they just goofed a lot of stuff up and confirmed all the bias and criticism.  How is Matt supposed to defend memory cards that cost the same as the competition but are 1/8 the size?  How can that even be defended at all?  It makes no sense.  Is Matt supposed to defend Nintendo lying to their fans about vague online plans that never showed up?  Why should he?

Being a fan isn't the same as being a b!tch.  This isn't like a family member that you're somewhat obligated to support and love during tough times.  It's just a company making a product for you to buy.  If you don't like what they're doing you have the right to complain or just leave outright.  Now if you follow the fads then you're a fair-weather friend but that's only the case when what you're a fan off is still doing good stuff but just isn't popular.  That's different from someone doing something so poorly that you don't like the results.  There's a difference between a struggling team and one where the owner has ruined the team though dumb trades and poor drafting.  One has hope for the future and needs your support.  The other is destroying something you loved and has taken your support for granted.

I would consider myself a WWF fan but I stopped watching their shows because they quality turned to sh!t and I was no longer being entertained.  In fact I found watching the product to be frustrating and annoying as it seemed almost like they were specifically focusing on stuff I didn't like and neglecting stuff I did.  Initially I complained and eventually I just stopped watching outright.  I still consider myself a fan because the era I liked I still like and if they ever turned things around I'd be back in a second.  I'm a fan but I'm not their b!tch.  There's a certain level of crap I felt I didn't need to tolerate anymore and that is perfectly acceptable.

So Matt was free to crap on Nintendo when it was justified and is free to just get back into things as they improve.

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« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2007, 06:36:05 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane So Matt was free to crap on Nintendo when it was justified and is free to just get back into things as they improve.


No, he isn't.

Matt isn't like you or me: he's a part of the media. His influence is capable of swaying many potential buyers and that includes encouraging people to stick with their Nintendo systems instead of buying other consoles which is what he spent most of his time insisting people do.

There were plenty of reasons to be positive about the GC. The console had a slew of excellent games over its lifespan and anyone who tried them would have considered it a worthy purchase, but I'm sure that many thousands of people DIDN'T try the GC because of pigheaded media members like Matt who don't seem to grasp the concept of defending the company they write about.

This sh*t has a cumulative effect and that's what no one seems to grasp. The GC did so poorly because Nintendo was already being dismissed as the loser by the same media chimps who were supposed to be its fans. When it came time for developers to decide which console to release games on, do you honestly think that media backlash by the very people who are supposed to like the GC didn't play a factor in determining where those games went? Do you think it didn't influence potential GC buyers?

By comparison, the IGN Xbox and PS2 editors could say no wrong about their consoles, even when things were looking bad and I'm sure many readers of IGN chose to buy Xboxes over GCs because the Xbox editor was infinitely more confident in the console than the GC editor. If nothing else, IGN should hire someone who holds Nintendo in the same regard to be the Nintendo editor because then we'd at least see consistency throughout.

For all intents and purposes, the GC should have clobbered the Xbox in sales, but it didn't because of its image and it's gaming media icons like Matt who, instead of defending the console from these criticisms, were too intimidated that they would be labeled as fans of a kiddie console and took every chance they could get to establish that they wanted to be on the winning team and, if that wasn't Nintendo, so be it.

Matt can hate Nintendo behind closed doors all he wants, but if his f*cking job is to be a Nintendo enthusiast, then he should do his job instead of acting like Nintendo would be dead in a few years and hoping that he could land a new job as an Xbox correspondent because that's pretty much how he behaved right up until Nintendo came back into their own again.

When push came to shove and Nintendo's image was on the line, Matt rolled over and played dead instead of trying to defend the company, and I remember seeing many review scores out of the f*cker which were likewise unjust, while the Xbox and PS2 editors almost always padded the reviews they gave even the sh*ttiest of Xbox/PS2 titles.

Yeah, the IGN editors are, for the most part, a bunch of mindless troglodytes who blindly defend their consoles, but they're troglodytes people listen to. Matt, on the other hand, is a jellyfish, buckling at the first hint of pressure.

Given that, for whatever reason, many people have no doubt listened to the reviews and opinions of IGN for their purchasing decisions, I would MUCH rather the Nintendo branch be manned by a troglodyte than a jellyfish.
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« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2007, 06:59:05 AM »
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The GC did so poorly because Nintendo was already being dismissed as the loser by the same media chimps who were supposed to be its fans.


I disagree. The GC did poorly because, from the beginning, it had less games, less variety, and a worse image than the competition. All the media did was play off that. That's like saying the PS3 is doing bad because of the media, while disregarding its multitude of problems.

Nintendo shot themselves in the foot last gen in several areas. It was Nintendo that failed the Gamecube, not the media. Should it be Matt's job to be an honest gaming journalist, or a spin doctor? The truth is that there were plenty more things to celebrate on the PS2 last gen, and eventually even the Xbox. So of course there were going to be more praise from their journalists. Personally, I've never seen Matt bash Nintendo in anything that was by most people considered an undeniable success. There just wasn't as many of them.

I think so many people hate Matt because he doesn't make excuses for Nintendo. But I think it's that same quality of his that makes him one of the most industry-respected journalists in the Nintendosphere.  

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When push came to shove and Nintendo's image was on the line, Matt rolled over and played dead instead of trying to defend the company, and I remember seeing many review scores out of the f*cker which were likewise unjust, while the Xbox and PS2 editors almost always padded the reviews they gave even the sh*ttiest of Xbox/PS2 titles.


Wait, so you want Matt to be a dirty journalist? I thought the goal here was honest reporting, not who was better at spin work. I'm personally glad Matt didn't resort to that--it would have been especially hard to with Nintendo tripping over themselves all the time last gen, especially towards the end of the console's life, when just about everything to look forward to on it was pushed to the Wii with some shoddy excuse.    

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« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2007, 07:04:50 AM »
It has never been nor will it ever be the MEDIA'S obligation to promote a company...even a company they are exclusively covering the news for.

It is solely Nintendo's responsibility to promote itself in such a way to create business for itself.

As such, when people start to believe Nintendo is system for younger gamers and will not have mature games.  It is up to Nintendo to change that image, if they so desire.  

Matt's only obligation is to report factual news about Nintendo, and to give opinion pieces expressing his view on the industry and Nintendo.

If you disagree with his opinions, writing style, or how he reports the news...you as a consumer can take your business elsewhere.  Or, you can stop reading IGN Wii.  

That is how a free market works.  I am tired of people bashing others for no reason.  Matt is a good guy, he works hard to bring us the news and exclusive stories...he has inside sources that most of us will never have, and he deserves more respect than the internet gives him.