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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2007, 09:49:16 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane I think it's better for someone in the media to give an honest opinion.  Too often I see the media trying to trick us into supporting inferior products or sway us into forming a specific opinion.


I agree, but that's where the problem lies: IGN isn't ABOUT honest opinions, it's about being a rabid fanboy for your console of choice and every editor with the exception of Matt does JUST that.

The result is that the strength on the Nintendo "front" is weak, which is why IGN is still largely anti-Nintendo despite the fact that they're poised to take the home and portable markets right now. If I were Matt, every time someone said anything negative about Nintendo, I'd inundate them with a barrage of sales figures, facts and other retaliatory maneuvers until it shut them right up. Right now, he has ALL the ammo he could ever need to do this: the DS is still a raging runaway success and the Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 (almost COMBINED) in January, despite console shortages. That whole place should be cowering in fear of Nintendo, not continuing to shellac the company at any chance that arises.

IGN is nothing but a giant, raging fanboy war. If Matt is trying all of the other consoles and being over critical of Nintendo, he's missing the goddamn point.  
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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2007, 10:29:50 AM »
"IGN is nothing but a giant, raging fanboy war. If Matt is trying all of the other consoles and being over critical of Nintendo, he's missing the goddamn point."

So should Matt quit his job to help make IGN more uniformly terrible?

Besides if the DS and Wii are kicking ass right now who cares if IGN comes across as anti-Nintendo?  Most sites just suck up to the leaders so as Nintendo does better many of the old "anti-Nintendo" sites will become more pro-Nintendo because that will be the "in thing" to do.

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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2007, 10:49:40 AM »
I'm not reading any of this garbage but how on Earth did you guys make such a huge thread about this? Hey guys some dickhead that's always wrong when it comes to SECRET UPCOMING MEGA NINTENDO games is making another mystery announcement that good games will be made for the Wii!

SHOCK. I also have an insider hint that more good games will be made for DS, let's turn that into a thread. =)

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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2007, 11:25:15 AM »
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane So should Matt quit his job to help make IGN more uniformly terrible?


No, he should defend the company instead of hiding from confrontation like the smallest kid in the playground.

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Besides if the DS and Wii are kicking ass right now who cares if IGN comes across as anti-Nintendo?  Most sites just suck up to the leaders so as Nintendo does better many of the old "anti-Nintendo" sites will become more pro-Nintendo because that will be the "in thing" to do.


Since the thread is about Matt, this is how I feel on the subject, but yes, I imagine that eventually even IGN will have to change their tune. Maybe THEN Matt won't be so afraid of defending Nintendo that he might actually do so on occasion, and to the faces of others as opposed to hidden in the Wii mailbag thread where the other editors probably don't read what he writes.
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2007, 11:30:30 AM »
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Have you forgotten about Smash Bros Melee?

I consider Super Smash Bros. a Nintendo fan's wet dream. They fall asleep, dream of Mario uppercutting Link and whoops, gotta change the undies...

It didn't necessarily define the Gamecube so much as reaffirm Nintendo fandom. I saw Xbox benefitting much more from Halo than Gamecube did Melee.

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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2007, 11:37:07 AM »
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Luigi Dude wrote:
Have you forgotten about Smash Bros Melee?

I consider Super Smash Bros. a Nintendo fan's wet dream. They fall asleep, dream of Mario uppercutting Link and whoops, gotta change the undies...

It didn't necessarily define the Gamecube so much as reaffirm Nintendo fandom. I saw Xbox benefitting much more from Halo than Gamecube did Melee.


Not to mention the Smash Brothers series being slightly overrated.

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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2007, 12:11:18 PM »
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No, he should defend the company instead of hiding from confrontation like the smallest kid in the playground.

That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels.  In reality, there's no reason for Matt to waste his time.  His office isn't even in the same city as those guys.
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2007, 12:32:33 PM »
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That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels


Considering all it has ever been is one giant fan-based pissing match, uhh, yeah: that would definitely SEEM to be the purpose behind IGN's existence. I think someone at the company realized that conflict brings more people to the site than everyone agreeing with each other. The entire site is kinda meant to be a spectacle that way: it's like the gaming version of WWE or something, just with editors instead of wrestlers and dramatically more homoerotica.

The end result is more hits for advertisers and that's what keeps the place afloat.

I know where you're coming from on the matter, Blood, I just think you're giving IGN substantially more credit than it deserves.

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Not to mention Elebits being obnoxiously overrated.


Fixed.  
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2007, 02:49:28 PM »
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Originally posted by: Bloodworth
That's under this super-deranged view that the purpose of IGN is to hold pissing matches between the channels


Considering all it has ever been is one giant fan-based pissing match, uhh, yeah: that would definitely SEEM to be the purpose behind IGN's existence. I think someone at the company realized that conflict brings more people to the site than everyone agreeing with each other. The entire site is kinda meant to be a spectacle that way: it's like the gaming version of WWE or something, just with editors instead of wrestlers and dramatically more homoerotica.

The end result is more hits for advertisers and that's what keeps the place afloat.

I know where you're coming from on the matter, Blood, I just think you're giving IGN substantially more credit than it deserves.

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Not to mention Elebits being obnoxiously overrated.


Fixed.


So...you feel IGN is horrible because it's a pissing match between channels. Yet you also feel Matt is horrible because he doesn't take part in something you consider horrible? I'm pretty sure that qualifies you as a complete and total moron.

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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2007, 03:05:41 PM »
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Originally posted by: Artimus So...you feel IGN is horrible because it's a pissing match between channels. Yet you also feel Matt is horrible because he doesn't take part in something you consider horrible?


When did I say that IGN was horrible? It serves its purpose as a hotbed arena for fanboy wars admirably. I used to be a mod at IGN, I know ALL about how the place works.

I also never said Matt was horrible: it's just that he's a spineless fair-weather friend who has no right to claim that he's a Nintendo fan, not unless he grows a pair and actually defends Nintendo from the other editors (not that it would be hard to do at this point in time, though).
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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2007, 03:36:31 PM »
I think you're forgetting the GOTY awards special where he pretty much calls them out on their idiocy.

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« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2007, 04:11:33 PM »
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I think you're forgetting the GOTY awards special where he pretty much calls them out on their idiocy.


Great point, personally I have always thought Matt has stood up to the other editors and that GOTY awards was a prime example.
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RE:Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2007, 04:26:39 PM »
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Originally posted by: Guitar Smasher
I think you're forgetting the GOTY awards special where he pretty much calls them out on their idiocy.


Did he do that to their faces or was that the case where he spoke about it in a reply to a mailbag letter afterwards?

I haven't heard the GOTY special but I've only seen Matt's "rebuttal" referenced in the mailbag episode, which makes it not really a rebuttal at all.

Did he say DURING the podcast/roundtable that they were idiots? If so, then I retract my statement about growing a spine, but the "fair-weather friend" statement stays.
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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2007, 05:04:54 PM »
You know, I KNEW this thread couldn't be five pages of speculation on what Cassamassina was hinting at. This is NintendoWorldReport. Of course it turned into a hate thread.

S_B, you're greatly overplaying Cassamassina's role in the downfall of the 'Cube. So what if he didn't play cheerleader? So what if he told people to buy an Xbox instead? Do you think any of that actually mattered? Even if he did play the role of the Nintendo Defender last gen, do you think the 'Cube would have sold even one more unit? I don't. I appreciate Matt's honesty; hell, I even respect it. Would you prefer it if he declared connectivity as the greatest innovation ever and that the two year software drought to close out the GameCube's life was a good thing, just because Nintendo was doing it? No! Then he's just another fanboy that no one should listen to and if people are actually tricked by the "journalists" at IGN, well that's too damn bad. Spreading around stupidity and over-hyping/over-scoring mediocre games is NOT the way I want Nintendo to "win" the console wars, and I very much do not believe that that's the only way to do so.

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« Reply #89 on: February 26, 2007, 05:29:00 PM »
BTW, Kotaku has confirmed that surprising EA title that totally defied expectations. It's in their SSX Blur hands-on impressions.

Something about Sunshine... hmmm

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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #90 on: February 26, 2007, 05:29:52 PM »
S_B used to be an IGN moderator...that explains so much. There goes my interest in this "debate."

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« Reply #91 on: February 26, 2007, 06:06:35 PM »
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BTW, Kotaku has confirmed that surprising EA title that totally defied expectations. It's in their SSX Blur hands-on impressions.

Something about Sunshine... hmmm

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I dunno...them describing the game as having something to do with "sunshine" and being for the "wii crowd" definitely doesn't fill me with excitement--especially since people only really use the terms "wii crowd" or "Nintendo gamers" or anything of the like when they're describing Nintendo's own games or, well...kiddie and/or non-gamer games. It could be fun, but the hints definitely don't scream "Wii's next great epic title". I expect another superficial offering that my grandmother will be able to play along with my 11 year sister.

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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #92 on: February 26, 2007, 06:17:44 PM »
I've always wanted to go to L'Hôtel de Glace..

EDIT: And I'll definitely be getting SSX Blur.
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RE: Matt C. teasing again
« Reply #93 on: February 26, 2007, 06:44:02 PM »
LOL

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« Reply #94 on: February 26, 2007, 07:42:31 PM »
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I expect another superficial offering that my grandmother will be able to play along with my 11 year sister.


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« Reply #95 on: February 26, 2007, 08:45:16 PM »
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I dunno...them describing the game as having something to do with "sunshine" ... definitely doesn't fill me with excitement


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« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2007, 08:56:34 PM »
Maybe the game is Golden Sun for Wii.
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« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2007, 12:32:26 AM »
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« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2007, 02:36:08 AM »
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Maybe the game is Golden Sun for Wii.


I think Camelot is busy working on some online golf game or something. Maybe nintendo will get some other studio on it.
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« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2007, 11:12:12 AM »
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Do you think any of that actually mattered? Even if he did play the role of the Nintendo Defender last gen, do you think the 'Cube would have sold even one more unit? I don't.


Actually, yeah, I'm quite certain that there were probably quite a few people who saw how negatively of a light he put the cube in and didn't purchase one accordingly. Statistically, considering IGN's traffic, it would be impossible NOT to know this is the case.

Positive internet buzz encourages people to do things. They feel safer in purchasing decisions and more justified in not buying other products if other sources (in this case, the internet) has advised against it.

But that's not even the point I'm making here. Yeah, Matt's negativity probably steered people away from the cube, but it's the fact that he was so willing to change his tune when Nintendo was back on the up and up which makes his lack of a spine and the fact that he isn't even a Nintendo fan at all so blatantly obvious.

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Would you prefer it if he declared connectivity as the greatest innovation ever and that the two year software drought to close out the GameCube's life was a good thing, just because Nintendo was doing it? No! Then he's just another fanboy that no one should listen to and if people are actually tricked by the "journalists" at IGN, well that's too damn bad. Spreading around stupidity and over-hyping/over-scoring mediocre games is NOT the way I want Nintendo to "win" the console wars, and I very much do not believe that that's the only way to do so.


No, I would prefer that Matt do what any sensible fan of a particular brand would do: acknowledge the failings but give due credit for the successes, and that's something that, between spending most of a GC mailbag thread talking about Halo and bashing the DS in favor of his PSP, Matt apparently never found time to do.

It is possible to accentuate the good while acknowledging the bad and STILL make a compelling argument: I know this because I PERSONALLY did this many times in defense of Nintendo and their GC and it's a pretty safe bet that ANYONE who is reading this sentence has also done the same, what with this formerly being "Planet Gamecube" and all.

But rather than make that kind of compelling argument Matt chose the easy way out which was to make it blatantly clear that he preferred the Xbox and all of its offerings. I don't know if he did this due to fear because he knew he couldn't make the same compelling argument or because he just preferred the Xbox and its games. Either way, he is NOT a Nintendo fan. His primary console of choice was the Xbox for those years and that's why I find this act of crawling back to Nintendo so laughably pathetic.

Bottom line: the man is either a coward or a fair-weather friend, or a deplorable mix of both. I think any sensible person would agree that the reporting and reviewing about Nintendo games should be done by someone who is ACTUALLY a fan of Nintendo, rather than someone who pretends to be when it's socially acceptable due to Nintendo's newfound popularity, or when it allows him to scam a paycheck from a company who doesn't really care WHAT he says about Nintendo in the first place.

He praised the Xbox because it was perceived as better than the GC. He praised the PSP because he believed it would crush the DS, and I sincerely hope the crow he ate as a result never stopped pecking and clawing up his esophagus as it went down.

How can anyone say he isn't just a drifter, devoid of conviction, willing to cling to the current market leader because it makes him feel better about himself? I've known plenty of people who are smug about the brands they buy and how their "brand" does (I did a podcast about just this topic). Some people will support the winning side, mostly just because they lack the conviction to stand up for their beliefs when those beliefs run counter to popular standards.

Listen to REAL Nintendo fans, not some shmuck who lacks the balls to defend Nintendo when they're not the market leader.
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