Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 831292 times)

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1625 on:** March 18, 2007, 01:59:19 PM »

Have you guys read the latest Sony rep quote:
“Wii is a wonderful device, but has a different target audience. If we fail, it is because we positioned PS3 as the Mercedes of the video game field. PS3 is after a different audience and it can be whatever it wants — a home server, game device, even a computer.” - Sony Boss Howard Stringer

I'm all up for optimism, but touting your failure is a bit too much. Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1626 on:** March 18, 2007, 02:07:27 PM »

Because Mercedes cars are, from what I hear, actually pretty good cars, thus the luxury price of one is justified.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #1627 on:** March 18, 2007, 02:18:13 PM »

Sony is going after the Dead Crowd, the living are so last generation, like rumble.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #1628 on:** March 18, 2007, 02:19:21 PM »

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Because Mercedes cars are, from what I hear, actually pretty good cars, thus the luxury price of one is justified.

Thus, people actually want to buy them.

Pittbboi · « **Reply #1629 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:07:04 PM »

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Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.

Well...erm...not to nitpick...but it's not like the PS3 isn't selling at all...

And it would be selling a lot more if it weren't so bloody expensive...much like a Mercedes...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1630 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »

The company that makes the Mercedes Benz is known as Daimler Chrysler, they've got a few more products than just luxury cars (even the Mercedes Benz brand already includes trucks and busses).

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #1631 on:** March 18, 2007, 06:42:06 PM »

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Plus, the company that makes Mercedes actually sells cars.

Well...erm...not to nitpick...but it's not like the PS3 isn't selling at all...

And it would be selling a lot more if it weren't so bloody expensive...much like a Mercedes...

Not really, at least each Mercedes car is making money, the PS3 is LOSING money on each system sold by the hundreds.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1632 on:** March 18, 2007, 09:00:14 PM »

Sony could have taken the market by storm had they released a 300-400$ downspecced PS3 that lacked most if not all non-gaming features.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #1633 on:** March 18, 2007, 09:06:46 PM »

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Sony could have taken the market by storm had they released a 300-400$ downspecced PS3 that lacked most if not all non-gaming features.

Not sure they would have taken the market by storm because Wii and Xbox 360 have made much larger dents in the market (especially Xbox 360). But I agree that it definately would have been much more competitive. It is sad really, if they took out the harddrive (Hey you can use any external HD for it) they could have probably knocked the price down to 400-500$ maybe less.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1634 on:** March 18, 2007, 10:07:03 PM »

And if they used DVD like everyone else they wouldn't have all the problems Blu-Ray is giving them. At a decent pricepoint they could have retained a lot of the market on brand recognition alone.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1635 on:** March 18, 2007, 10:15:43 PM »

But Sony has to push Blu Ray, why else do you think they bought those movie studios?
If Blu ray becomes the industry standard, Sony is looking to make alot of money over the next 10-15 years with the sale of movies. The playstation was the best leverage that they had to put a Blu Ray player into your home and a PS3 w/o BRD as a standard in every PS3 is not gonna help Sony in the longrun. You guys are all focusing on the short term of the business. Remember what the analyst says; PS3 will take off in 2009 and reclaim the lead by 2010.

If the analyst says it will happen.... it.will.happen.

Shift Key · « **Reply #1636 on:** March 18, 2007, 11:47:56 PM »

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Remember what the analyst says; PS3 will take off in 2009 and reclaim the lead by 2010.

If the analyst says it will happen.... it.will.happen.

Analysts are full of crap. They get paid to draw conclusions and talk rubbish and theorize on the future. WHAT IF A BUTTERFLY FLAPS ITS WINGS IN SOUTH AMERICA? BET YOU DIDN'T ANALYZE THE BUTTERFLIES SONY!

Just because Blu-Ray is out there, doesn't mean its going to take off anytime soon. Hell, there's already plans for a HD-BR-DVD hybrid disc so that both systems can play the movie. I don't see either making inroads on DVD while HDTV uptake is slow and TV broadcasts are still mostly in analog.
Sure, its probably different in the States or Japan, but in Australia they've pushed back the cutoff date for analog broadcasts to 2009, and there's been talk of digital TV here since 2002 (i think, well that's the first I've heard). Again, we're not a huge market, but the lack of interest in cutting edge video and audio technology will hurt the PS3 from the moment it launches here. But if we're not going to make use of the features, then what's the point? Most people can't tell the difference between standard digital TV and HDTV anyway (unless your TV is over 50 inches wide you're just wasting money on expensive players and media).

Also, I laughed at how much time they hyped up the PS3 as being "the centre of your home entertainment system" on some breakfast TV show today. They also demonstrated how to make a photo slideshow with it. Yeah, great use of the Cell processors. Pity no-one's interested in that price tag. Or the games.

I wonder how long Sony will hold onto that price tag before they realise that shipped != sales. Even Harvey Norman is promoting it to death, and I reckon the launch will be a huge failure. Stay tuned folks!

Jin-X · « **Reply #1637 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:12:00 AM »

BlackNmild was being sarcastic.

That whole notion that the Wii will keep widening the gap the PS3 for 2 years, then the PS3 will start outselling is retarded. By that time the Wii would have long won since 3rd parties would have jumped ship. Its basically a domino effect and if Sony doesn't turn it around this year (which they won't because of the price) then they are screwed.

Shift Key · « **Reply #1638 on:** March 19, 2007, 12:18:38 AM »

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BlackNmild was being sarcastic.

I know. I wasn't having a go at him. Just at analysts.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1639 on:** March 19, 2007, 03:14:09 AM »

My parents just got themselves an HDTV and I have to agree: despite the fact that we have digital cable, there is very little bring broadcast which runs in 1080.

Pretty disappointing, really.

Ceric · « **Reply #1640 on:** March 19, 2007, 06:37:53 AM »

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My parents just got themselves an HDTV and I have to agree: despite the fact that we have digital cable, there is very little bring broadcast which runs in 1080.

Pretty disappointing, really.

Which is a shame because the ones that do even the content that is done in standard on those look and sound better. Also there are some stations who new content have been shot as HD for about 7 years now *cough* Sci-Fi *cough* but don't have an HD version.

Also regarding HD here in the States. The cutoff was originally like 2001 but last a heard it was pretty much on hold indefinetely. Personally I can't wait because I have seen HD stations on my TV and I'm itching to watch cartoons in HD.

The most telling thing though is that nearing the originally deadline for HD every Commercial was shot in HD. Now barely see any.

Arbok · « **Reply #1641 on:** March 19, 2007, 06:51:37 AM »

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Also regarding HD here in the States. The cutoff was originally like 2001 but last a heard it was pretty much on hold indefinetely.

According to the FCC, it has been set at February 17, 2009 since last year:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html

Consumers be damned, I guess, as the HDTV penetration rate in the states isn't nearly widespread enough to do a forced transition to HD, IMO. It is still two years off, though.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1642 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:06:11 AM »

They have already pushed it back atleast once, so don't be surprised if 2009 comes and the date is pushed back again, probably to 2011.

Ceric · « **Reply #1643 on:** March 19, 2007, 07:40:14 AM »

I think it should just happen. Personally. There are converter boxes to downconvert the signal. Plus I'm fairly sure all Cable and Satelite boxes will do it as well from the get go.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #1644 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:13:08 AM »

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I think it should just happen. Personally. There are converter boxes to downconvert the signal. Plus I'm fairly sure all Cable and Satelite boxes will do it as well from the get go.

So a majority of tv owners are now required to own extra equipment because the few want a luxury? I really don't see a reason to force HD at all. If HD is really as popular as everyone wants it to be it will be adopted by the tv stations if they want to keep up with ratings. Is there really a reason it needs to be legislated into practice especially when it already didn't work once?

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1645 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:31:59 AM »

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So a majority of tv owners are now required to own extra equipment because the few want a luxury? I really don't see a reason to force HD at all. If HD is really as popular as everyone wants it to be it will be adopted by the tv stations if they want to keep up with ratings. Is there really a reason it needs to be legislated into practice especially when it already didn't work once?

The government isn't really trying to force HDTV on us. That's a myth, and I suspect TV manufacturers and resellers don't have any qualms perpetuating it. The government wants all broadcasters to switch to digital broadcasts. It doesn't matter if the signal is HD or not. Digital over-the-air broadcasts will use only a fraction of the spectrum currently being used, freeing up much of it to be reallotted.

Because this is about over-the-air broadcasts, most cable subscribers won't even notice a change. Satellite subscribers might need an adapter if they use an antenna to get local stations.

Shorty McNostril · « **Reply #1646 on:** March 19, 2007, 09:38:41 AM »

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Also, I laughed at how much time they hyped up the PS3 as being "the centre of your home entertainment system" on some breakfast TV show today. They also demonstrated how to make a photo slideshow with it. Yeah, great use of the Cell processors. Pity no-one's interested in that price tag. Or the games.

Yeah, I saw that little segment. That guy is in love with the PS3. What really knocked the wind out of me was when he said it was worth paying more than double than what the $1000 they are charging for it, that we were getting a bargain. What he also failed to mention was that pretty much all the stuff he was praising the ps3 for doing, was also doable on the wii, HD and Blu-ray aside of course. And then there was the misleading answer about BC. He gave the impression that most ps2 games would be playable on our PAL ps3's. We all know how that experiment ended up.

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #1647 on:** March 19, 2007, 01:44:44 PM »

Phil Harrison's pet game 3.0'd All I have to say to super rub a dub is PWN'D. So I suppose after a good streak Sony put out a piss poor game that no one in the PS3 community probably cared about anyways.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #1648 on:** March 19, 2007, 02:13:27 PM »

Phil Harrison fancy's himself as the next Shiggy, but he lives in lala land.

Jin-X · « **Reply #1649 on:** March 19, 2007, 04:04:12 PM »

So DMC 4 going multi, Ace Combat 6 on X360 and Emotion Engine out of US and Japanese PS3s all confirmed today. The tag line of God of War 2 is prophetic.

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Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 831292 times)