Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 829315 times)

Ceric · « **Reply #1525 on:** March 01, 2007, 04:28:02 AM »

I think what we have come upon is a clear difference in distribution channels. From what I hear of how Nintendo does things they tend to prefer to ship directly to the stores themselves with there own representatives. This makes getting actual sold numbers relatively easier to obtained.

Looking at those definitions both Sony and MS send there product to the "base" of the company and at that point it's there problem to get it out. Which makes sense considering that both companies are in multiple markets and can lump shipments together. (Like Halo3 could come with a shipment of Windows Vista Copies. Save on freight.) This scheme it makes it much harder to find out the actual sold number. Though with proper contracting that could also be eliminated.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1526 on:** March 01, 2007, 06:41:24 AM »

I put all my people gettingbored cuz of graphics fears to rest last night, we had a big surprise gathering of old friends come over last night, and they saw I was playing wii and wanted to try it out, so we fired up some two player boxing and the whole time they kept screaming "dude Im gonna get one of these" and then we played golf and they were *gasp* impressed by the graphics.

Kairon · « **Reply #1527 on:** March 01, 2007, 08:06:52 AM »

It's funny having people being pretty content with Zelda: TP's graphics when TP is COMPLETELY 100 % gamecube graphics. They just can't accept that just moments ago they were just happy with the graphics of a last-gen game on a new-gen system.

Of course, videophiles can EASILY tell the difference, but most people out there honestly wouldn't go out of their way to notice the difference.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1528 on:** March 01, 2007, 08:45:01 AM »

TP is more like 110% GC graphics judging by the slowdown in some places.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #1529 on:** March 01, 2007, 08:56:37 AM »

Yeah, it's really ahead of its time.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #1530 on:** March 01, 2007, 09:13:42 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
It's funny having people being pretty content with Zelda: TP's graphics when TP is COMPLETELY 100 % gamecube graphics. They just can't accept that just moments ago they were just happy with the graphics of a last-gen game on a new-gen system.

Of course, videophiles can EASILY tell the difference, but most people out there honestly wouldn't go out of their way to notice the difference.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

I know what you mean, personally games that I foujnd to be visually stunning people ripped for the visuals (Prey comes to mind)

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1531 on:** March 01, 2007, 10:37:40 AM »

I may have made it sound otherwise, but I believe Sony's graphics claims are pure propoganda intended to scare gamers, investors, and media away from Wii. Nintendo has proven for years that graphics don't matter to handhelds, and I think there's evidence that they don't matter that much to home systems either...Wii will be the final proof of that.

Other popular anti-Wii propoganda:
"It's a gimmick."
"Your arms will get tired."
"It's a novelty system that you pull out for parties and nothing else."

darknight06 · « **Reply #1532 on:** March 01, 2007, 11:20:08 AM »

Good ol' fashioned FUD. Microsoft isn't the only one using tactics like that. Of course Sony and all of their hoodlums that are blogging it up right now are gonna say that. They're getting their butt kicked in Japan hard, they're entry point to the living room is looking like it's trying to fade on them, and they want to save face in any way possible. This is par for the course.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1533 on:** March 02, 2007, 05:51:45 AM »

Has anyone seen this?

Looks like Sony is out to rip off Nintendo yet again...

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1534 on:** March 02, 2007, 05:58:57 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Has anyone seen this?

Looks like Sony is out to rip off Nintendo yet again...

Wow, where have you been? I think there are atleast 2 other threads on that very topic on this site already. One of them in this section >HERE< and I think the other is in General Chat.

my only guess is that you are being sarcastic

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1535 on:** March 02, 2007, 06:12:40 AM »

I stumbled across it at random, but I have to be honest, I don't pay attention to Sony news anymore because it's like a perpetual flushing toilet for the company and bashing them is like mocking a clown.

MaryJane · « **Reply #1536 on:** March 02, 2007, 07:38:38 AM »

Nintendo may be doing a lot of things right but they aren't quite perfect yet. They could use better graphics and better online gameplay (any online gameplay really). These issues aren't the end all, be all of video gaming, but I do enjoy them.

Which is why when I finally buy my own Wii and can stop playing my brothers at the awkward moments he's not home, I'm also going to buy a 360 just on principal I can't own a 360 without owning a Wii first.

Sony is basically doomed, at first I gave them the benefit of the doubt (PS2 fanboys remaining faithful and solid titles) but with Wii taking over the market and 360 taking all of Sony's games. Really what hope is left? They can only throw money at the problem for so long before realizing its futility.

Also when you consider the fact that most of Sony's fanboys are people who originally went Benedict Arnold on Nintendo they don't have much hope in loyalty.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1537 on:** March 02, 2007, 08:16:55 AM »

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Originally posted by: MaryJane Also when you consider the fact that most of Sony's fanboys are people who originally went Benedict Arnold on Nintendo they don't have much hope in loyalty.

This is very true, and you also have to remember that Sony has less to cling to than Nintendo did in the way of exclusive franchises.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1538 on:** March 03, 2007, 06:03:49 PM »

Just thought you guys might want to read this interesting article on Sony's CEO Howard Stringer and all of his problems related to Sony(& K. Kutaragi)

Kairon · « **Reply #1539 on:** March 04, 2007, 07:30:30 AM »

Nintendo's been rpofitable from day one with the Wii and even the GC. But Sony? From that article:

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The price cut will help double videogame-related losses for Sony's year ending March 31 to about $2 billion, erasing many of the efforts made by other units to boost profitability. "I think it's fair to say that any time you're aiming for the stars, you're running the risk of falling a bit short on your timetable," Mr. Stringer says.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1540 on:** March 04, 2007, 07:40:56 AM »

Too bad Sony can't do like MS and soften or even bury those loses with profits from another department.

Ceric · « **Reply #1541 on:** March 04, 2007, 10:45:26 AM »

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Just thought you guys might want to read this interesting article on Sony's CEO Howard Stringer and all of his problems related to Sony(& K. Kutaragi)

With Management like that I can feel for the guy.

Kairon · « **Reply #1542 on:** March 04, 2007, 11:34:16 AM »

I'm cheering for Sony. SONY! GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE BUTTOCKS AND GET IN THE GAME SO THAT MICROSOFT DOESN'T WIN!!!

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

oohhboy · « **Reply #1543 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:23:45 PM »

All very Lost in Translation of him. Although I have no idea how he is going to rescue the Sony from it's continuing downward sprial. He obviously still doesn't have enough control over his execs. His PR department is run by the former Iraqi Minister of Information. The entire supply and demand for PS3 is backwards from what was expected. They are still losing to the iPod. TV prices are falling, which is good for us, not so for them. The HD disc war has about as much effect as shooting blanks on both sides.

I almost feel sorry for the guy, but he knew what he was getting in to.

Kairon · « **Reply #1544 on:** March 04, 2007, 01:40:03 PM »

Don't worry. When they let him go two years from now he'll be able to take some $400 million in severance bonuses with him.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1545 on:** March 05, 2007, 04:06:34 AM »

Thanks for that article, BlacknMild! I was particularly interested to hear the story of Kutaragi's position change. Nintendo fanboys viewed it as a demotion, Sony fanboys viewed it as a promotion, and it looks like the truth is that it was a semi-voluntary move to get the Playstation division working more openly with electronics and Stringer himself.

BlackNMild2k1 · « **Reply #1546 on:** March 05, 2007, 06:48:39 AM »

Couchmonkey: No problem

And on to some possible good news, but more likely bad news.
European stores are still pushing PS3 pre-orders and it less than 3 weeks away from launch.
I don't have many links, but I have seen a couple of the big Euro store websites and they have PS3 bundles of all sorts all still available for pre-order. All the link I have are for UK stores, since the UK was/is Sony Land and everyone would expect the UK to sell out first.

Now this either means that Sony has alloted a huge shipment of launch systems, which is completely believeable, since they probably just pulled leftover stock from the U.S. and Japan zing, it was a cheap shot and I took it, or they aren't getting as many pre-orders as they were hoping for.

Amazon UK <--still in stock for launch delivery

GAME UK <---all pre-order bundles still available

HMV UK <---PS3's still available for pre-order, in & out of bundles

I'm guessing it a combination of the two as sony has had 5 months to get their Euro stock built up for launch and people not wanting to drop that kinda money down for a video game console.

IceCold · « **Reply #1547 on:** March 05, 2007, 07:15:58 AM »

Europe got screwed over even more than usual. First, Sony launches there four months later, and marks up the already ridiculous price by a big margin. Then, they only make the Premium version available, and they even take out compatibility (no full PS2 BC). It's going to flop.

Kairon · « **Reply #1548 on:** March 05, 2007, 07:34:21 AM »

But didn't Sony say they were launching in Europe with a COOL million consoles, so no shortages like the rest of the world?

Too bad the Euro version doesn't have the emotion engine chip included anymore, so all backwards compatibility is done through software instead of hardware.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

MaryJane · « **Reply #1549 on:** March 05, 2007, 09:40:07 AM »

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6696468-1.html?tag=cnetfd.mt

Cnet Rticle entitled 10 things I hate about the PS3. The author owns one and has some pretty legit complaints.

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